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I find it uplifting that many atheists have decided to come to a Christian radio station's message forum and push their views.

They are surrounded by a ton of Bible believing Christians on here, so maybe they'll come out learning something.

Hopefully they come to know Christ. That's the ultimate in freedom!

I wouldn't doubt that some of the atheists who post on here are probably from the organization "Atheist Agenda" at the University of Texas-San Antonio.

It really, really bothers me that some will in one breath claim to be a Christian and in the next call God a liar. He plainly say's in His word what happened. Six days for creation. Global flood. Changed world.
There are fire breathing dragons in many cultures, probably a dino. There is no problem with that when you look at the rest of creation. The bombadier beetle is similar today. It does not spit fire but what it does spit will burn you badly.

Christians, by definition, believe God's word. The heathen are by definition non-believers. I don't understand why unbelievers bother to come here and push lies instread of seeking truth, why not go where other unbelievers are. I guess they are hoping to trip up people in their faith... I don't know.

I am deeply troubled by people who call themselves Christians but do not believe God's word. That is, IMO, calling God a liar, impuning His honor and it offend's me and frankly, makes me angry.

J

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ORIGINAL: DanJames

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ORIGINAL: jbow

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ORIGINAL: miessemusic

I find it uplifting that many atheists have decided to come to a Christian radio station's message forum and push their views.

They are surrounded by a ton of Bible believing Christians on here, so maybe they'll come out learning something.

Hopefully they come to know Christ. That's the ultimate in freedom!

I wouldn't doubt that some of the atheists who post on here are probably from the organization "Atheist Agenda" at the University of Texas-San Antonio.

It really, really bothers me that some will in one breath claim to be a Christian and in the next call God a liar. He plainly say's in His word what happened. Six days for creation. Global flood. Changed world.
There are fire breathing dragons in many cultures, probably a dino. There is no problem with that when you look at the rest of creation. The bombadier beetle is similar today. It does not spit fire but what it does spit will burn you badly.

Christians, by definition, believe God's word. The heathen are by definition non-believers. I don't understand why unbelievers bother to come here and push lies instread of seeking truth, why not go where other unbelievers are. I guess they are hoping to trip up people in their faith... I don't know.

I am deeply troubled by people who call themselves Christians but do not believe God's word. That is, IMO, calling God a liar, impuning His honor and it offend's me and frankly, makes me angry.

J

I personally am perfectly happy with any number of atheists, agnostics, and/or compromisers coming to this site and pushing whatever they want. Most are perfect gentlemen (or ladies) about what they are trying to push or learn. Like it or hate it, old earth creationism/guided evolution is a popular theory, and people struggle in their hearts on how they will reconcile the word of God and the theories that are currently "popular".

I say this to say, please be kind to our guests. Most of them are, after all, our brothers.

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Most of them are, after all, our brothers.

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ORIGINAL: gluadys
And sisters.

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‘Yes, Aunt Dahlia,’ [Bertie Wooster] said, ‘you have guessed my secret. I do indeed love.’
‘Who is she?’
‘A Miss Pendlebury. Christian Name, Gwladys. She spells it with a “w”.’
‘With a “g”, you mean.’
“With a “w” and a “g”.’
‘Not Gwladys?’
‘That’s it.’
The relative uttered a yowl.
‘You sit there and tell me you haven’t enough sense to steer clear of a girl who calls herself Gwladys? Listen, Bertie,’ said Aunt Dahlia earnestly,’I'm an older woman than you are - well you know what I mean - and I can tell you a thing or two. And one of them is that no good can come of association with anything labelled Gwladys...

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ORIGINAL: gluadys
And sisters.

Apropos of nothing, your username invariably reminds me of one of PG Wodehouse's Wooster/Jeeves stories:

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‘Yes, Aunt Dahlia,’ [Bertie Wooster] said, ‘you have guessed my secret. I do indeed love.’
‘Who is she?’
‘A Miss Pendlebury. Christian Name, Gwladys. She spells it with a “w”.’
‘With a “g”, you mean.’
“With a “w” and a “g”.’
‘Not Gwladys?’
‘That’s it.’
The relative uttered a yowl.
‘You sit there and tell me you haven’t enough sense to steer clear of a girl who calls herself Gwladys? Listen, Bertie,’ said Aunt Dahlia earnestly,’I'm an older woman than you are - well you know what I mean - and I can tell you a thing or two. And one of them is that no good can come of association with anything labelled Gwladys...

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ORIGINAL: jbow
It really, really bothers me that some will in one breath claim to be a Christian and in the next call God a liar. He plainly say's in His word what happened. Six days for creation. Global flood. Changed world.
There are fire breathing dragons in many cultures, probably a dino. There is no problem with that when you look at the rest of creation. The bombadier beetle is similar today. It does not spit fire but what it does spit will burn you badly.

Christians, by definition, believe God's word. The heathen are by definition non-believers. I don't understand why unbelievers bother to come here and push lies instread of seeking truth, why not go where other unbelievers are. I guess they are hoping to trip up people in their faith... I don't know.

I am deeply troubled by people who call themselves Christians but do not believe God's word. That is, IMO, calling God a liar, impuning His honor and it offend's me and frankly, makes me angry.

Well, here's the rub jbow.... if you believe in literal interpretation of genesis, you have to believe God is deceptive. You cannot get around that anymore. The only way Genesis can in anyway be consistent with reality if taken literally, is if God designed the universe and life with the false appearance of age... kind of like winding a watch of the universe to billions of years later, but in six days. Scientists can be very wrong... but so can you.. and interpretations of religious texts can be just as wrong. The sheer magnitude of scientific error across almost all natural science disciplines would have to be so incalculably wrong for a 6 day creation to be true... its really surprising and frustrating people still cling to the idea. And even worse, demand equal time in science classes for their ideas. Sorry, literalists are wrong here, not science. You cannot claim a 6 day creation and in the same breath claim that your God is honest and truthful. You can, however, hold a figurative or non-literal interpretation of Genesis and claim God is truthful. Stories are often told in literal wording but are still allegorical in nature, and designed to impart a greater truth.

Read up on Last Thursdayism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Thursdayism

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A deceptive creator

From a religious viewpoint, it can be interpreted as God having 'created a fake,' such as illusions of light in space of stellar explosions (supernovae) that never really happened, or volcanic mountains that were never really volcanoes in the first place and that never actually experienced erosion, and the idea that God would create appearances that are so completely deceiving to every level of detail is not consistent with most benevolent theistic theologies.

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God essentially created two conflicting accounts of Creation: one in nature, and one in the Torah. How can it be determined which is the real story, and which is the fake designed to mislead us? One could equally propose that it is nature which presents the real story, and that the Torah was devised by God to test us with a fake history! One has to be able to rely on God's truthfulness if religion is to function. Or, to put it another way -- if God went to enormous lengths to convince us that the world is billions of years old, who are we to disagree?

Sorry for threadjack.

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I find it uplifting that many atheists have decided to come to a Christian radio station's message forum and push their views.

They are surrounded by a ton of Bible believing Christians on here, so maybe they'll come out learning something.

Hopefully they come to know Christ. That's the ultimate in freedom!

I wouldn't doubt that some of the atheists who post on here are probably from the organization "Atheist Agenda" at the University of Texas-San Antonio.

It really, really bothers me that some will in one breath claim to be a Christian and in the next call God a liar. He plainly say's in His word what happened. Six days for creation. Global flood. Changed world.
There are fire breathing dragons in many cultures, probably a dino. There is no problem with that when you look at the rest of creation. The bombadier beetle is similar today. It does not spit fire but what it does spit will burn you badly.

Christians, by definition, believe God's word. The heathen are by definition non-believers. I don't understand why unbelievers bother to come here and push lies instread of seeking truth, why not go where other unbelievers are. I guess they are hoping to trip up people in their faith... I don't know.

I am deeply troubled by people who call themselves Christians but do not believe God's word. That is, IMO, calling God a liar, impuning His honor and it offend's me and frankly, makes me angry.

J

I personally am perfectly happy with any number of atheists, agnostics, and/or compromisers coming to this site and pushing whatever they want. Most are perfect gentlemen (or ladies) about what they are trying to push or learn. Like it or hate it, old earth creationism/guided evolution is a popular theory, and people struggle in their hearts on how they will reconcile the word of God and the theories that are currently "popular".

I say this to say, please be kind to our guests. Most of them are, after all, our brothers.

Thank you.

And guys I'm not an atheist.

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It is not deceptive for God to have created the universe fully functional. He created Adam as a man, not a baby. Woudn't you agree that Adam had the appearance of age? He did.

There is no problem with the YEC, as it is fact.

J

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One example is the number of large craters we find on the earth, mars, and the moon. There are enough just on earth to make the case that were these all to have hit within a few thousand years, that the cumulative effect would have wiped out all life.
-Dan.