RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church?

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Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church?

Yes.

56% (45)

No.

41% (33)

I don't know.

1% (1)

Total Votes : 79

(last vote on : 5/5/2008 12:34:43 PM)
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P31W -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 11:36:41 AM)
ROFL, He never said and we are on page 19!!!! As far as we know it's a week to week lease and the terms of the agreement are free to be changed and/or renegociated on "both ends". (where is that spell check? I need it for negociated)

Kath -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 11:38:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: P31W ROFL, He never said and we are on page 19!!!! Yeah, go figure! [:D] from what I can tell, he is only communicating by PMs now.

P31W -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 11:53:24 AM)
Personally I would bring in the pastor every day and have the men of the chruch pray over him every day. Every single day!!!!!! Then I would host daily bible study meeting in my home!!!! Every single day... I would tell him several times a day that he needs to go to chruch. Every single day!!!!! I would "hound him" Every single day!!!! Until he moved out. Then I could say "I kept my word"[:D]

txhoneydarlin -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 12:15:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Qtman quote: ORIGINAL: txhoneydarlin Sam and John - Thanks to both of you for setting a wonderful example for us all! God works in wonderful and mysterious ways. [:)] Thanks for the kind words Mellisa. I hope I am not overstepping here by speaking for John but if an example was set it was not by us. I did, and I believe John acted, in accordance with what the Holy Spirit sold us to do. With that in mind the Holy Spirit set the example. I am just humbled that He used me in some small way. Alrighty, the Holy Spirit works in awesome ways then [8D] - I just think it's too often that the Holy Spirit tries to lead us, and we don't follow, ya know? You two were led - and you followed - and that was very inspiring. Also, you two could have PM'd each other, and none of us would have never seen it or known about it. It did my heart good to see you both publicly apologizing to each other, thus setting an example for the rest of us in a situation that I'm sure will eventually rise again - whether here or in "real life". [:)] And P31W - thanks for the giggle! [8D]

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 12:35:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kath quote: ORIGINAL: P31W ROFL, He never said and we are on page 19!!!! Yeah, go figure! [:D] from what I can tell, he is only communicating by PMs now. Couple things... Love your SpongeBob avatar... The other thing... My guess would be for the school year... It seems pretty clear the idea was to move back in order to be a full time student... John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 12:38:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: P31W Personally I would bring in the pastor every day and have the men of the chruch pray over him every day. Every single day!!!!!! Then I would host daily bible study meeting in my home!!!! Every single day... I would tell him several times a day that he needs to go to chruch. Every single day!!!!! I would "hound him" Every single day!!!! Until he moved out. Then I could say "I kept my word"[:D] Perfect idea... Bring church to the home... I like that... And hopefully it would convict him... John

Kath -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 12:40:31 PM)
quote: Couple things... Love your SpongeBob avatar... The other thing... My guess would be for the school year... It seems pretty clear the idea was to move back in order to be a full time student... Thanks! and from what I took from the op that he would be there until he was done with school, so 4 years, not just one.

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 12:41:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: P31W ROFL, He never said and we are on page 19!!!! It's a gift and this isn't even my best work...[8D] John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 12:45:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kath quote: Couple things... Love your SpongeBob avatar... The other thing... My guess would be for the school year... It seems pretty clear the idea was to move back in order to be a full time student... Thanks! and from what I took from the op that he would be there until he was done with school, so 4 years, not just one. I figured there would be an assessment of things each year since that tends to be the case with school... More than a few folks I know mix things up... Attend school for a year, work part time for year and attend school part time mainly because they are always changing their mind on what they want to do with their lives... [8\|] John

Kath -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 12:47:03 PM)
Perhaps the OP can clear it up for us.

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 12:57:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kath Perhaps the OP can clear it up for us. We don't need no stinkin OP... :P John Ok... I am done...

Kath -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 1:03:05 PM)
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Memaw. -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 1:04:38 PM)
So the thread is done now? Whatever will I do for entertainment now??[&o] [:D]

Rufas2000 -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian family to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 1:23:10 PM)
quote: Actually, if it were me in this situation, if I gave my word that I would not force him to go to church as a condition to stay with me, I would not change it during the school year (the reason he was living with me in the first place being to attend school). However as the year ended, I would not feel wrong in telling him that I had made that "promise" without realizing that I would not be able to deal with it. I thought I could, but sorry, I find that I can't. If he wishes to continue to live with me as he goes to school he will need to attend church with us, he will also need to refrain from arguing about it or being disrespectful about it ,or to me. Period. Ah yes, here is something I can agree with. I have a renters lease that is renewed every year. Thankfully the great terms of the lease have not been changed (my landlords are wonderful) but in mid-April when lease time is upon us they have every right to say we need to make some changes. But if they tried to change terms in say, August (middle of the lease) then they need to show me where the lease allows for it, otherwise I will look into my legal options (if its a big change that affects me and seems unreasonable, I tend to be very reasonable). In essence, she absolutely should keep her word but she is not held to that forever no more than my landlords are locked into how much I pay for rent forever. Problem is that a specific period of time was not specified so its hard to know when the mom has the moral right to change the terms. But most rental agreements are for a year so that appears to be the convienent default.

doinkdom -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 1:56:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Memaw. So the thread is done now? Whatever will I do for entertainment now??[&o] [:D] [sm=unsure.gif]I know, right?[sm=tongue.gif]

Qtman -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 2:04:05 PM)
Well memaw and doinkdom if it will make y'all happy and Kath will turn her back, John and I can get together on my PFY thread and argue. I think we could make that sacrifice for you.[:D]

Memaw. -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 2:09:59 PM)
YAY! I need a link otherwise I get lost. Never did learn how to read a map..LOL

txhoneydarlin -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 2:34:05 PM)
I've erred on the side of caution and stayed out of this discussion, but now that it's pretty much over, I wanted to make a few observations. It is very hard to know which decision to make when only one person puts forth any information - and even that was spotty at best. (no offense to the OP) Growing up, I participated in debate competitions at both the high school and college levels - and to be prepared, we debaters always had to be ready to discuss both sides of the issue - both pro and con, with supporting arguments for both sides of the issue. There's just so much we (as a collective whole) don't know that perhaps could have made this issue clearer for us to decide - and to argue for or against in that light. I don't think any of us will ever know the whole story - or hear both sides of the issue. If so, some pertinent arguments supporting the mother - or the son - could have been made. One thing this thread did was open my eyes to just how much folks differ in their opinions and interpretations of things. That gave me more insight and greater understanding to what make people tick, so thank you all for that. And having said that, I'm done. [:)]

Rufas2000 -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 4:06:41 PM)
quote: I don't think any of us will ever know the whole story - or hear both sides of the issue. If so, some pertinent arguments supporting the mother - or the son - could have been made. I think there is a tacit understanding that the discussion in message boards considers the evidence provided. You really can't speculate on what isn't there. I think the discussion for some almost became hypothetical, the circumstances as presented were considered as opposed to actually trying to determine which one of these two real life people were right. Anyway, opinion was at best 50-50 for / against the OP so I think it worked both ways.The OP presented evidence that was used against him, is it not possible the same could have happened to the Mom if she had chosen to post?

txhoneydarlin -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 6:07:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rufas2000 I think there is a tacit understanding that the discussion in message boards considers the evidence provided. You really can't speculate on what isn't there. I think the discussion for some almost became hypothetical, the circumstances as presented were considered as opposed to actually trying to determine which one of these two real life people were right. I understand your point, but for me, it's often hard to give an unbiased opinion on things like this without knowing all the evidence. (which is why I didn't speak up until now lol) I'm wierd like that. [8D] quote: Anyway, opinion was at best 50-50 for / against the OP so I think it worked both ways.The OP presented evidence that was used against him, is it not possible the same could have happened to the Mom if she had chosen to post? It is possible, indeed. However, throwing your question back at ya for giggles and grins, would it not have been possible for the mom to throw new light on the situation that would have turned to 100% favor for her? I just hate hearing one-sided stuff... I want to be fair to everyone concerned. I would never make a good psychologist for that reason. [8D] (I'm one of those "inquiring minds wanna know" types, in case you didn't figure that out. [8D])

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 6:41:58 PM)
Try this on for size... If the OP has been the following... Son: Even though I agreed to go to church in order to live in my mom's house I changed my mind and now she says I have to leave... Wanna bet that most people would have said sorry pal you didn't abide by what you agreed to you mom haas every right to tell you to go... They would have pointed to him not keeping up his end of the agreement... John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 6:50:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: txhoneydarlin It is possible, indeed. However, throwing your question back at ya for giggles and grins, would it not have been possible for the mom to throw new light on the situation that would have turned to 100% favor for her? I have really thought hard on this... The whole time I was posting I tried to think of a reason that would allow her to take back her word. Of course if the son was cooking meth she'd have cause to remove him but that isn't tied to their agreement about going to church... I really believe it's more a matter of what is best... I believe it's in the best interest of the mom to keep her word, go the extra mile(Matthew 5) and have faith that God will deal with her son... It's really a faith issue when you get down to it... John

OLEEguacamole -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 7:01:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe Try this on for size... If the OP has been the following... Son: Even though I agreed to go to church in order to live in my mom's house I changed my mind and now she says I have to leave... Wanna bet that most people would have said sorry pal you didn't abide by what you agreed to you mom haas every right to tell you to go... They would have pointed to him not keeping up his end of the agreement... John i would have just said her free rent house, her rules.[8D]

txhoneydarlin -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/24/2008 11:27:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: txhoneydarlin It is possible, indeed. However, throwing your question back at ya for giggles and grins, would it not have been possible for the mom to throw new light on the situation that would have turned to 100% favor for her? I have really thought hard on this... The whole time I was posting I tried to think of a reason that would allow her to take back her word. Of course if the son was cooking meth she'd have cause to remove him but that isn't tied to their agreement about going to church... I really believe it's more a matter of what is best... I believe it's in the best interest of the mom to keep her word, go the extra mile(Matthew 5) and have faith that God will deal with her son... It's really a faith issue when you get down to it... John I will then agree to disagree with you on that one. [;)] Different strokes for different folks, ya know? [:)]

P31W -> RE: Is it acceptable for Christian fam. to kick out adult son for refusing to goto church? (4/25/2008 8:20:13 AM)
My BEST advise to the OP is to honor your mother. Now if your mother wants to come online and post a thread I will be more than happy (along with several others) to tell her "what to do"[:D]

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