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45degreeN -> Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/15/2008 3:18:12 PM)

The branding of Barack Obama as 'elite' is such a desperate measure by Hillary Clinton. Every one of the remaining candidates are elite, there can be no one in such a process as our elections that aren't elite. But this mark reminds us of a certain democratic candidate back in the 50's who ran twice without getting elected. His name was Adlai Stevenson.

The are some surface level similarities between Obama and Stevenson, but in reality the similarities vanish after any thinking. Stevenson was nominated after delivering an inspirational speech at the convention of 1952. His nomination was the result of the classic smoke filled room of a brokered nomination since no one really wanted to run against such a popular candidate as Eisenhower. Adlai's frustration has been looked down upon and people like him have been labeled as unelectable but this is a facile analysis. What is much more likely is that his opponent was the beneficiary of great popular support and none of the democrats would have been elected those years.

Hillary has latched onto this cursory idea about intellectual candidates and hopes that we will have another brokered convention with her as the beneficiary instead of Obama. If anything we need to stay out of these smoke filled brokered conventions and use the votes that people have made to determine our democratic candidate.



TomTurn -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/15/2008 3:27:48 PM)

Elite - A group or class of persons or a member of such a group or class, enjoying superior intellectual, social, or economic status

.......

So he is stupid, unconnected and poor?



rcjames -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/15/2008 3:35:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: 45degreeN

The branding of Barack Obama as 'elite' is such a desperate measure by Hillary Clinton. Every one of the remaining candidates are elite, there can be no one in such a process as our elections that aren't elite. But this mark reminds us of a certain democratic candidate back in the 50's who ran twice without getting elected. His name was Adlai Stevenson.

The are some surface level similarities between Obama and Stevenson, but in reality the similarities vanish after any thinking. Stevenson was nominated after delivering an inspirational speech at the convention of 1952. His nomination was the result of the classic smoke filled room of a brokered nomination since no one really wanted to run against such a popular candidate as Eisenhower. Adlai's frustration has been looked down upon and people like him have been labeled as unelectable but this is a facile analysis. What is much more likely is that his opponent was the beneficiary of great popular support and none of the democrats would have been elected those years.

Hillary has latched onto this cursory idea about intellectual candidates and hopes that we will have another brokered convention with her as the beneficiary instead of Obama. If anything we need to stay out of these smoke filled brokered conventions and use the votes that people have made to determine our democratic candidate.


So do you think Obama is an elitist or not?

How abut a racist?

How about being anti-american?

How about anti-middle class Americans?

Thanks
RC



colliefan -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/15/2008 3:36:47 PM)

All three of the candidates are elitest snobs.



Leslie_JnJs_mom -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/15/2008 3:49:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rcjames


So do you think Obama is an elitist or not?

How abut a racist?

How about being anti-american?

How about anti-middle class Americans?

Thanks
RC



Yes

yes

Yes

and Yes



P31W -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/15/2008 4:02:49 PM)

Branding the black candidate as 'Elite'

Funny the op brought up his skin color. I wonder if that is something the OP pays alot of attention to.



stamper_ben -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/15/2008 4:12:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: P31W

Branding the black candidate as 'Elite'

Funny the op brought up his skin color. I wonder if that is something the OP pays alot of attention to.

Yeah, but us white folks, being who we'uns is, gots to be knowin better than anybody else, and we be knowing that any of them thar black folk can't be in no way elitist, whether they be making over 300 grand a year as his little Mrs is or even if'n they be one of them thar United States Senators!

I be thinkin that I'm a going to go cleave unto my 12 guage now...



ken1906_4 -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/15/2008 4:13:57 PM)

I tend to think Senator Clinton calling Senator Obama an elitist is sort of like the pot calling the kettle black. In reality if Senator Obama is an elitist then Senator Clinton and Senator McCain have to be considered elitists also. Both have had very privilege upbringing. Neither Never struggled (maybe McCain when he was a POW), never been poor, don't know anything about needing financial assistance, never been hungry (see POW reference), never had to wear hand me down clothes or anything like that. George W. Bush can be considered as an elitist. He also has had a privilege life. Came from an oil rich family then got into Yale because pops (and grandfather) were alums (affirmative action at work). Heck, I had a 3.3, 1390 on the SAT's, a star athlete, in many organizations and I still could not get into Yale. Anyway, these career politicians (republicans and democrats) on capital hill are all the same. A bunch of rich folks making decisions to benefit themselves and this Oligarchy…err….Democracy we live in.





So do you think Obama is an elitist or not?
maybe

How abut a racist?
no

How about being anti-American?
no

How about anti-middle class Americans?
no



Leslie_JnJs_mom -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/15/2008 4:18:09 PM)

I am rooting for the democratic candidate who is most likely to loose the general election so I guess it does not matter who is more elitest.



stamper_ben -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/15/2008 4:19:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: 2monkeysmom

I am rooting for the democratic candidate who is most likely to loose the general election so I guess it does not matter who is more elitest.

I keep waffling back and forth on that count myself.[;)]



inthysite -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/15/2008 4:20:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: P31W

Branding the black candidate as 'Elite'

Funny the op brought up his skin color. I wonder if that is something the OP pays alot of attention to.


This is currently Obama's strategy and will become the Democrat's strategy if/when Barack is nominated; any criticism will be labeled as racist. You read it all over this board by his supporters, if you say anything negative about Obama it's because 'you just not ready to elect a black president.'

I do agree that Hillary is a hypocrite as she is probably just as elitist if not more then Barack, but do expect anything better from her? I don't.



colliefan -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/15/2008 4:38:44 PM)

One cannot use Barry's middle name w/o being labled as a racist. One cannot critise his church w/o being labeled a racist.



Jhud -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/15/2008 4:42:32 PM)

I don't think Obama is anymore an elite than anyone else in the Senate, and I don't event think being an elite is a bad thing.

However, Obama is an elitist snob, and that is a bad thing.



TomTurn -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/15/2008 5:16:38 PM)

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However, Obama is an elitist snob,


Ditto, but then what do I know? As the signature says



LivingParadox -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/15/2008 7:00:54 PM)

Now he's saying those who refer to him as "elitest" are really trying to say he's uppity.

Wow. How condescending. That was actually the comment I used for his comment about small towns not elitest but condscending. And he condescends to us again.

Btw, the word uppity or anything in it's proximity wasn't anywhere in my thoughts. He can read small town Americans minds too. [8|]



rnershigh -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/15/2008 7:17:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: colliefan

One cannot use Barry's middle name w/o being labled as a racist. One cannot critise his church w/o being labeled a racist.


I'll go one better and say one cannot say anything amounting to criticism of Obama without being labeled a racist, not open-minded, not desiring change, and wanting to cling to the status quo...I could go on.[8D]



cog41 -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/16/2008 9:58:58 AM)

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So do you think Obama is an elitist or not?

How abut a racist?

How about being anti-american?

How about anti-middle class Americans?

Thanks
RC



Yes to all above.

Thanks RC for being unafraid to call it what it is.
We conservatives do have some that have tendency to display elitism.
Bill Bennett,Laura Ingraham, Bill Kristal the late William Buckley. I like them all but from time to time they act pretty aloof from those of us not educated in their Ivy covered castles.



blessedinnyc -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/16/2008 10:02:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rnershigh
I'll go one better and say one cannot say anything amounting to criticism of Jesse Jackson without being labeled a racist, not open-minded, not desiring change, and wanting to cling to the status quo...I could go on.[8D]

Fixed. I'm sorry, but that primary ended 24 years ago.



ljmac -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/16/2008 12:15:28 PM)

BHO is not black. He's mixed race, half black and half white.



tracydolls -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/17/2008 9:43:52 AM)

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BHO is not black. He's mixed race, half black and half white.



In America he is black, the law says one drop.....



TomTurn -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/17/2008 11:47:33 AM)

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In America he is black, the law says one drop


What current law is that?

"Vote Obama, how bad could he be, he is half white!"

Would love to see that as a campaign slogan



lightshineon -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/18/2008 5:20:44 PM)

that would make me AA, seriously Great Grandaddy Watson was half AA. Obama, and I might be kin folk.[:o]
quote:

ORIGINAL: TomTurn

quote:

In America he is black, the law says one drop


What current law is that?

"Vote Obama, how bad could he be, he is half white!"

Would love to see that as a campaign slogan



todd_t -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/18/2008 5:47:23 PM)

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Elite - A group or class of persons or a member of such a group or class, enjoying superior intellectual, social, or economic status


Obama grew up with in a household that was not wealthy, and earned scholarships to help pay for his Harvard schooling, having just recently paid off the balance of his student loans with his book revenues.

Wow, for a second there I mistook Obama for the Sultan of Brunei.

Plus, isn't earning one's station through hard work and doggedness the embodiment of the classic American work ethic? Or is that just a myth I heard somewhere?



TomTurn -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/19/2008 8:17:52 AM)

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Elite - A group or class of persons or a member of such a group or class, enjoying superior intellectual, social, or economic status

Obama grew up with in a household that was not wealthy, and earned scholarships to help pay for his Harvard schooling, having just recently paid off the balance of his student loans with his book revenues.


So today, in 2008 he is stupid, poor and unconnected?

quote:

Plus, isn't earning one's station through hard work and doggedness the embodiment of the classic American work ethic? Or is that just a myth I heard somewhere?


Was the elite soldier an elite soilder when they were 2 years old or did they grow into that elite status?

Elite on it's own is not bad and Obama is part of an elite class. Now how is he handling it so far?

But then maybe I do not understand the definition of elite since I am just TomTurn, "a typical white person from a small town but not in a Christian nation, who clings to God, owns guns, actually listened to the pastor for 22 years, whose life did start at conception and whose mother was punished with 3 babies"



LivingParadox -> RE: Branding the black candidate as 'Elite' (4/19/2008 10:57:14 AM)

Colin Powell is certainly "elite" as a four-star general totally earned but I've never for a moment sensed any kind of snobbery from him -- other candidates I'll leave unmentioned just recently gave me that impression of snobbery while their "eliteness" is based on their intellectualism, flowery speeches and speaking to the "right" audiences.



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