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blessedinnyc -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 9:59:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GroupW

Probably more than just semantics in the eyes of the court. Listening and learning are held to be distinct from negotiating and offering. Might be a bit of a fine line, but it's an important one. The listening and learning is something we American's have not been that good at lately.

AHA! Carter studied at a Hamas-run Madrasa! Now we know all libruls support the terrorists.



StephK -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 10:17:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

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ORIGINAL: StephK

Jimmy you were a horrible POTUS, go back to what you do best, building Habitat houses. The way he handled the hostage situation with Iran should give his defenders a clue. [8|]

Which was completely dwarfed by the peace agreement he negotiated between Israel and Egypt.


He failed his own citizens for over a year.

He's is not an elected official or an appointed official of the government and therefore no different than you or I. He has no business going over there to talk with terrorist leaders.



stamper_ben -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 10:19:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheoCentric

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ORIGINAL: stamper_ben

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The Logan Act is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. It was passed in 1799 and last amended in 1994. Violation of the Logan Act is a felony, punishable under federal law with imprisonment of up to three years.
Carter is NOT an official representative of the government of the United States and is not authorized to negotiate with anyone.

Try him under this law!

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Btw, I don't think that Carter is actually negotiating. He's only meeting with the leaders.

Therefore, the Logan Act would not apply.

You yourself said he was there to "mediate". From American Heritage Dictionary:
v.tr

1. To resolve or settle (differences) by working with all the conflicting parties: mediate a labor-management dispute.
2. To bring about (a settlement, for example) by working with all the conflicting parties.
3. To effect or convey as an intermediate agent or mechanism.

v.intr.

1. To intervene between two or more disputants in order to bring about an agreement, a settlement, or a compromise.
2. To settle or reconcile differences.
3. To have a relation to two differing persons or things.

adj. (-ĭt)

1. Acting through, involving, or dependent on an intervening agency.
2. Being in a middle position.

I don't think I need to highlight any of that definition.



mapachito13 -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 10:19:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

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ORIGINAL: StephK

Jimmy you were a horrible POTUS, go back to what you do best, building Habitat houses. The way he handled the hostage situation with Iran should give his defenders a clue. [8|]

Which was completely dwarfed by the peace agreement he negotiated between Israel and Egypt.


But he put our economy in the toilet with double digit inflation which was exacerbated by our debt from our entanglement in a foreign war!

Whoa! I just had a weird sense of deja vu.

The CPI has increased by a little over 6 points in the first three months of this year. Almost equivalent to the change over the last two years.

Check it out at: ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/cpi/cpiai.txt



blessedinnyc -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 10:46:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mapachito13
But he put our economy in the toilet with double digit inflation which was exacerbated by our debt from our entanglement in a foreign war!

In many ways, Carter did the right thing. He did what Bush should be doing now and the next US president will certainly have to do if we want to remain an empire. Volcker was the first Fed chief to realize that higher interest rates mean lower inflation, so in many ways, Carter wasn't an idiot for appointing him.

Carter also worked on getting America less dependant on foreign oil. Were it not for Carter's work on alternative energy- with ethanol, wind, and nuclear- the US would be in much worse shape today than it is now.

The difference between Carter and Bush is that Carter had to clean up the mess an inflationary Nixon left behind. The US basically defaulted when it came to Bretton Woods, which left us with double-digit inflation through most of the '70s. Combine with that the fact that Nixon thought the fed chairman was supposed to keep the economy humming along even if it meant inflation, and you've got a big mess on your hands.

In many ways, Bush is the Nixon that is leaving behind a budgetary and monetary mess for the next administration to clean up.



JimboFletch -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 10:46:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

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ORIGINAL: StephK

Jimmy you were a horrible POTUS, go back to what you do best, building Habitat houses. The way he handled the hostage situation with Iran should give his defenders a clue. [8|]

Which was completely dwarfed by the peace agreement he negotiated between Israel and Egypt.

And THAT was pixie dust compared to his evangelist sister saving Larry Flynt's soul.
[:D]



JimboFletch -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 10:50:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

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ORIGINAL: mapachito13
But he put our economy in the toilet with double digit inflation which was exacerbated by our debt from our entanglement in a foreign war!

In many ways, Carter did the right thing. He did what Bush should be doing now and the next US president will certainly have to do if we want to remain an empire. Volcker was the first Fed chief to realize that higher interest rates mean lower inflation, so in many ways, Carter wasn't an idiot for appointing him.

Carter also worked on getting America less dependant on foreign oil. Were it not for Carter's work on alternative energy- with ethanol, wind, and nuclear- the US would be in much worse shape today than it is now.

The difference between Carter and Bush is that Carter had to clean up the mess an inflationary Nixon left behind. The US basically defaulted when it came to Bretton Woods, which left us with double-digit inflation through most of the '70s. Combine with that the fact that Nixon thought the fed chairman was supposed to keep the economy humming along even if it meant inflation, and you've got a big mess on your hands.

In many ways, Bush is the Nixon that is leaving behind a budgetary and monetary mess for the next administration to clean up.

Whatever else Carter might have done, he was a major factor in my leaving a 9+ year military career because of the miserly 3 & 4% raises he was giving us during all that double-digit inflation.



jbow -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 10:57:52 AM)

I guess he want's to be sure he is safe down in Plains, GA. If he is negotiating I can't think of who else he could be negotiating on behalf of... Plains I reckon because the State Dept is not involved.

I hate that he is from GA, he is such an embarassment. He is such and embaarassment....

J



relady -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 11:22:00 AM)

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But he put our economy in the toilet with double digit inflation which was exacerbated by our debt from our entanglement in a foreign war!
I'm sorry but I disagree. As one who lived through that era, I can say that the economy was already well into the dumper and being flushed when he took office. No one could have straightened it out in one term. And exactly what war are you referring to? Vietnam? Last I checked, Mr. Carter had NOTHING to do with that whatever. He inherited a country with a whole lot of problems from the previous administration.

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In many ways, Bush is the Nixon that is leaving behind a budgetary and monetary mess for the next administration to clean up.
Couldn't agree more.



blessedinnyc -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 11:33:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: relady
Couldn't agree more.

I find it interesting that history seems to rhyme in anywhere from 30-40 year cycles.

If Obama gets elected, I'll offer 2:1 odds that he's a one-term president.



ljmac -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 12:15:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

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ORIGINAL: StephK

Jimmy you were a horrible POTUS, go back to what you do best, building Habitat houses. The way he handled the hostage situation with Iran should give his defenders a clue. [8|]

Which was completely dwarfed by the peace agreement he negotiated between Israel and Egypt.


They guy that made that work was not Jimmy Carter, but Anwar Sadat.

By behaving so weakly in response to our embassy being attacked, he fueled the Islamic radicals that kill Americans to this day.



ljmac -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 12:18:24 PM)

Carter has a soft spot for people that hate Jews. He once tried to get a Nazi off when they caught up to him hiding out in America. The guy had worked in one of the death camps and they had documentation that he personally killed at least one prisoner.



mapachito13 -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 12:31:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: relady
And exactly what war are you referring to? Vietnam? Last I checked, Mr. Carter had NOTHING to do with that whatever. He inherited a country with a whole lot of problems from the previous administration.


Carter had to pay the bills for it. Vietnam, that is, just like Billary, Obama or McCain will be still paying for Iraq even if it ended tomorrow.

Also, Inflation didn't reach double digits until the last half of Carter's Administration. It only took Reagan 2 years to bring inflation down to 3.2% after 10 straight years (ie Carter and Nixon years) above 5% (4 of them above 10%).



mcleod -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 1:02:08 PM)

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The difference between Carter and Bush is that Carter had to clean up the mess an inflationary Nixon left behind. The US basically defaulted when it came to Bretton Woods, which left us with double-digit inflation through most of the '70s. Combine with that the fact that Nixon thought the fed chairman was supposed to keep the economy humming along even if it meant inflation, and you've got a big mess on your hands.



What inflationary mess? Ford was in between them and guess what Ford balanced the budget which has only happen in the recent history twice.
I didn't like Nixon in that day nor did I like Mr. Carter either. I remember a little texan who spent his own money to get the hostages out of Iran and Carter got upset with him on that endevor.
The problem is that Carter, Clinton those expresidents have not learned to shut their mouth and have some humility in their life's.
I think that the books are juggle to have it not show up as great inflation today. For our Goverment is still in the business of printing up money that is not backed by anything. Which if you were to have a over supply of something according to the capilatism idea the price comes down. So when you print a lot of dollar bills in order to balance something the dollar goes down, down, down. Which in meantime which has what you truely need go up-up and away!



stamper_ben -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 2:49:15 PM)

Congratulations to Michigan’s Joe Knollenberg, author of the CARTER Act

Indeed, let's see if the Democrats will line up with Republicans to pass this.

Kudos to LST for the heads up.



mapachito13 -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 3:01:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mcleod

The difference between Carter and Bush is that Carter had to clean up the mess an inflationary Nixon left behind. The US basically defaulted when it came to Bretton Woods, which left us with double-digit inflation through most of the '70s. Combine with that the fact that Nixon thought the fed chairman was supposed to keep the economy humming along even if it meant inflation, and you've got a big mess on your hands.



Ford was clumsy but he was actually a good President. It would have been better if he had been re-elected than what turned out to be the alternative.



rowsdower -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 3:23:17 PM)

Jimmy Carter is a Benedict Arnold. And if this country had any backbone left, he would be tried for treason the moment he steps off the plane. This is the man that removed the Shaw of Iran and ushered in the brutal reign of radical Islam in the middle east. This is the man that created a hornet's nest of hatred and death in that whole region, and then he has the gaul to show up as an ambassador of peace? Lays a wreath at the grave of Arafat to honor him as a peacemaker? Is this man just a complete fool, or is he trying to cut the legs out from under the US and Israel?
[:@]



rnershigh -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 3:26:36 PM)

I wasn't around when he was President, but does he still need to have attention on him that he needs to go running around meeting with terrorists?



blessedinnyc -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 3:32:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stamper_ben

Congratulations to Michigan’s Joe Knollenberg, author of the CARTER Act

Indeed, let's see if the Democrats will line up with Republicans to pass this.

Kudos to LST for the heads up.

Woot!

Major kudos to Carter for royally ticking off a Republican nutjob! I think Carter needs to respond by holding a photo op and write half a book to make up for any potential lost money from the feds.

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Ford was clumsy but he was actually a good President. It would have been better if he had been re-elected than what turned out to be the alternative.

Either would have been a major improvement over LBJ or Nixon.



JimboFletch -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 3:35:31 PM)

The best thing about the Carter administration was the constant entertainment from his relatives - especially brother Billy.
[:D]



stamper_ben -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 3:37:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rnershigh

I wasn't around when he was President, but does he still need to have attention on him that he needs to go running around meeting with terrorists?

I suspect that it comes from the funeral for Tricky Dick Nixon. From the praise that was heaped upon him by the other participants you'd think that Nixon was the tops of the field of Presidents. When Jimmy and Rosalynn got to the hotel room that night she made him put down the Habitat for Humanity hammer and get into some line where he could receive tribute like Tricky Dick did when we all finally say goodbye to him.

Man has she got a surprise coming her way![;)]



trainfan -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 3:52:21 PM)

I'm half surprised the Reverend Jackson isn't there with him. [&:] If memory serves me correctly didn't he (Jesse Jackson) go over to that part of the world to negotiate something or other a number of years ago?

Hey maybe Carter can stay there, there should be plenty of houses to build, with the constant fighting I'm sure there are a lot of damaged buildings that could use his skills.[8|]



mapachito13 -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 3:55:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

The best thing about the Carter administration was the constant entertainment from his relatives - especially brother Billy.
[:D]


Ahhh! Billy Beer!! MMM. MMM. [:'(]



stamper_ben -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 3:56:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mapachito13

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

The best thing about the Carter administration was the constant entertainment from his relatives - especially brother Billy.
[:D]


Ahhh! Billy Beer!! MMM. MMM. [:'(]

Flat and stale as I recall...



Mr.Dawgfan -> RE: JIMMY CARTER'S NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!!! (4/18/2008 4:14:23 PM)

Him and (Damascus) Dennis Kucinich should get out the USA... Doesn't Jimmy Carter remember what took place for the last 444 days of his presidency to 52 US Citizens?



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