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FREELUTH -> Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (4/19/2008 2:51:00 PM)

Are we ever sorry enough for are sins ? If we are is our sorrow the thing that triggers God’s forgiveness ?

My question is based on two premises.

1. All Christians sin(not wanting to argue about if we have to sin or how often we sin ) just that all do sometimes sin.
2. All Christians are sorry when they know they sin.



URForgiven -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (4/19/2008 3:19:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FREELUTH

... is our sorrow the thing that triggers God’s forgiveness ?



No. Christ's shed blood on the cross is what "triggers" Gods forgiveness.



bob97 -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (4/19/2008 4:05:19 PM)

When we accept Christ into our lives we don’t even know what sin is. Only after the Ruach Hakkodesh indwells within us are we convicted of our sin and only after we study the word do we begin to understand what sin really is.

I think we are sorrowful in general of our pervious live as a sinner because when we glimpse the Glory of God at the point of our salvation… we see and feel something far more wonderful than we could imagine before.

Once we start to love God and understand what He has done for us…only then can we really be remorseful of the things that we do that fall short of Gods Glory.

Bob



rcjames -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (4/19/2008 4:33:02 PM)

When Peter gave the first sermon of the Chruch (Acts 2:14-36) the hearers of the sermon said, "What must we do?"

Peter answered;

(Act 2:38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

So how sorry should we be for our sins? sorry enough to repent from the sin and seek forgiveness (remission).

Seems simple enough.

Thanks
RC



colliefan -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (4/19/2008 9:00:07 PM)

Are we sorry we got caught? Or, are we grieved we have offended a Holy God. Big difference.



Godhead -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (4/19/2008 9:15:34 PM)

Godly sorrow produces repentance and the desire to do good. Being sorry about our sinful nature is very important, and I believe a work of grace. No one could possibly be truly saved without being truly sorry. We should be aware of our sinful nature and the need for God's grace and mercy. We should be aware that we need a change of heart.



colliefan -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (4/19/2008 9:22:53 PM)

2 Cor 7:10 (ESV) 10For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.



Godhead -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (4/19/2008 9:48:34 PM)

The eternity of God verses the temporality of the world.
Tis a hard choice [:D]



Heavendweller -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (4/19/2008 10:37:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FREELUTH

Are we ever sorry enough for are sins ? If we are is our sorrow the thing that triggers God’s forgiveness ?

Dear Free,
There have been times since being a Christian where I have become aware of an apathetic attitude in regards to my sin. Spiritual laziness, little desire to pray, neglecting to read Scripture, caring more about my own interests than the interests of others, the list goes on. While in this state of mind, I would feel very unpeaceful and troubled.

Thanks be to our merciful Lord and the Holy Spirit's guidance, He has prodded me again and again. I take heart in our Lord Jesus' prayer when He taught us to pray, "Forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who sin against us." And again, St. John the Apostle has reminded us, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

I know that I should live with regard to being in Christ's presence at all times. One thing I have learned to practice in more recent years is remembering that Christ is in my midst. Therefore, I examine myself to see if my thoughts and actions are pleasing to Him of whom I am accountable.

However, if Christians ignore God and forget that He is ever present, they begin to live with respect only to themselves and their own selfish desires. Thus, they grieve the Holy Spirit which results in a hardening, a hardened conscience and an apathetic attitude that no longer lives in accountability to Christ their Master and Lord.

This passage in Hebrews comes to mind. "Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says, "Today, when you hear his voice, do not harden your heart as in the rebellion, on the day of testing in the wilderness." Take care, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called "today," that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin." Hebrews 3:7, 12 & 13.

When we are reminded of our Lord's Passion, and how He suffered on the cross of Calvary to take away the sin of the world, the grievousness and ugliness of sin should compel us to embrace our Savior at every turn.

HD



1love1God1way -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (4/19/2008 11:34:26 PM)

Godly sorrow is one thing. . . I think we tend to get that confused with guilt and condemnation, though. . .



FREELUTH -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (4/21/2008 2:50:53 PM)

All good answer about sorrow and repentance, but are we sorry enough ??? No one has answered it straight up. Do you feel that you are sorry enough for your own sins ????

My answer is no !!! [:(] I can never be sorry enough or repent enough to please God. Thanks to Jesus he paid for that too.



GrahamCracker -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (4/21/2008 5:48:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FREELUTH

All good answer about sorrow and repentance, but are we sorry enough ??? No one has answered it straight up. Do you feel that you are sorry enough for your own sins ????

My answer is no !!! [:(] I can never be sorry enough or repent enough to please God. Thanks to Jesus he paid for that too.


FreeLuth,

I have been kinda lurking on this thread because I really didn't know how to answer. Everyone seems to have contributed some worthy points.

There is another term that scripture also uses, contrition. I kind of like that one better because it is with regard to the wrong we have done and not with regard to our getting caught at it.

I'm afraid that sorrow over offending God is not viewed favorably anymore. It's almost virtuous to be a rebel and to get back in someone's face.

I did want to add that it is not the sorrow over sin that paid the price for our sin but the work of Christ. However, sorrow over sin causes us to see our need of the Savior.



Heavendweller -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (4/21/2008 7:25:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FREELUTH
All good answer about sorrow and repentance, but are we sorry enough ??? No one has answered it straight up. Do you feel that you are sorry enough for your own sins ????

This topic has caused me to think of Ps. 51. I think this Psalm is one of the best examples of repentance. This is the attitude that God desires each one of us to have. Is it possible? Yes, but not in and of ourselves. But with the conviction of the Holy Spirit in the heart of a believer our repentance of sin can be pleasing and acceptable to God. I think this is what Scripture refers to as Godly grief, which accomplishes repentance unto salvation.

Have there been times that I haven't been sorry enough for my sin? Most certainly. But is it possible for a believer in Christ to be sorry enough for their sin, that is, experience a sorrow that satisfies or is pleasing to our Heavenly Father? Most certainly. When that occurs, our Lord grants us a clean conscience and peace.

This process is part of the Christians' experience throughout his/her life. The work of the Holy Spirit is to convict us of our sin and we, in turn, must respond by repentance. This process humbles us and aids in changing us into His likeness.

One thing that we must be careful of, myself included, is not to walk around condeming or hating ourselves because of our sinful nature. This can lead to an unhealthy understanding of Godly sorrow. It could lead to the same attitude as the monks who flaggelated themselves. Luther understood this concept well.

Rather, we must be assured that the work of the Holy Spirit in convicting us of our sin can be effective in producing a sorrow that leads to repentance and is pleasing to God.

Heavendweller



Heavendweller -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (4/21/2008 7:33:57 PM)

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Freeluth:
My answer is no !!! [:(] I can never be sorry enough or repent enough to please God. Thanks to Jesus he paid for that too.

I disagree with this concept as per my most previous comment. Having been a parent, there were times when I knew my children had a "broken and contrite heart" over their sin, which God says He will not despise. Since we are to learn from this earthly model, God being our Heavenly Father and we His children, the same applies. Our sorrow and hatred of sin which leads us to repentance is pleasing to our Heavenly Father. It is what He is looking for and desiring for all of His children. And when he sees that contrition, He honors it by forgiving us of our sins.

The result is an overwhelming peace and the victory that over comes the world. We can look at ourselves in the mirror and be assured of Christ's forgiveness, and we can love others with the love of Christ.

Heavendweller



McFatty -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (5/5/2008 5:24:43 PM)

I'm not sure that an incredible amount of emotional sorrow is necessarily a prerequisite for repentance. Of course, we all must repent of our sins. This simply means to turn from our sins. Some people believe that repentance simply means saying "I'm sorry," but it doesn't. It's a much more hands on process, at least in my experience. God is our Father, and like any good parent, when the children break the rules, sorry isn't good enough. We must live in such a way where we try not to break that rule anymore. Sorrow is not a bad thing, but it isn't what saves us, so I don't think there's a requisite amount of sorrow one needs to feel.



Catholicandloveit -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (5/5/2008 6:08:31 PM)

Are we ever sorry enough?

I don't think we understand fully what sin separates us from, because none of us here on earth have experienced the fullness of heaven or hell. Without knowing 100% what those experiances will be like, we can't be fully sorry for sin or joyful for forgiveness.

I don't think its the amount of sorrow one feels that is important, (don't miss understand being sorry/sad is important) all people experiance sorrow and forgiveness differently. IMO the important thing is to ask for forgiveness and then to accept it. If you are asking what amount of prayer or asking for forgiveness is enough - once. The hard part is accepting the forgiveness and forgiving ourselves.



gmc4Jesus -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (5/5/2008 7:50:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bob97

When we accept Christ into our lives we don’t even know what sin is. Only after the Ruach Hakkodesh indwells within us are we convicted of our sin and only after we study the word do we begin to understand what sin really is.

Bob


We know about sin before we come to Christ. That is why we accept His gift of forgiveness by acknowledging that He is our Lord and Savior.

As we grow in our relationship with God, we become more conscious of those temptations that lead us into sin and start to change our behavior by saying "NO" to those temptations. It is our knowledge of our sins and our helplessness in trying not to sin that draws us to seek Jesus' love and forgiveness. It is our maturing in our walk with Christ that draws us to be sorrowful for sin and make an effort to stop that sinful behavior.

Our sorrow for our sin comes as we realize God's love for us and that our sin hurts Him. The more we love God, the more we will be sorry for our sins and make a more concerted effort to let the Holy Spirit help us recognize temptation and refrain from sinning. It is a work in progress.

You might check out my thread on "Be Holy?" where we talk about what it means to be holy.

God bless you as you are growing in your relationship with Jesus Christ.



Liveloved -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (5/6/2008 12:13:54 AM)

I am in agreement. No. We cannot be sorry enough. Our flesh is unable. That is why Christ is ALL for us and in Him, our repentance is sufficient.

But I also agree with those who point to much confusion today between remorse and repentance. One is borne out of pride. The other out of humility. And that makes a HUGE difference.



AskSeekKnock -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (5/7/2008 2:19:04 PM)

Luke 23:34 Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.".......(NIV)

I guess you could look at this verse as a response to the guards casting lots for his clothes, to the guards crucifying him, and also to the crowd passing by hurling up insults to him. But, I recently have come to think that Jesus was refering to us as well. He had all of our sins upon him, and he was still praying for us. "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." Amen Forgive us Father for we know not what we do.



Mannamuncher -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (5/11/2008 10:44:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AskSeekKnock

Luke 23:34 Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.".......(NIV)

I guess you could look at this verse as a response to the guards casting lots for his clothes, to the guards crucifying him, and also to the crowd passing by hurling up insults to him. But, I recently have come to think that Jesus was refering to us as well. He had all of our sins upon him, and he was still praying for us. "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." Amen Forgive us Father for we know not what we do.

That's heavy...WOW !!!



God hates sin, and Jesus is the sin offering.

One sin results in eternal condemnation.

We cannot grasp the ramifications of sin.



Which makes God's mercy even more wonderful !

And His grace even more amazing !!!



But, are we SORRY enough...no way[:o]

I think one day we will be however.

The Day when we see Him face to face.

Great joy, but then the sorrow will be full.



JesKlu -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (5/12/2008 6:37:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FREELUTH

All good answer about sorrow and repentance, but are we sorry enough ??? No one has answered it straight up. Do you feel that you are sorry enough for your own sins ????

My answer is no !!! [:(] I can never be sorry enough or repent enough to please God. Thanks to Jesus he paid for that too.


Hello!

I agree with FREELUTH. I don't believe I am sorry enough for my sins either. And that is because our sinful nature hinders us from being truly sorry for our sins. This is where Jesus' sacrifice comes in.

But I do remember a sermon which my pastor preached during Lent. He was talking about confessing our sins. He explained there are three parts to it; Contrition, Confession, Change. But, our sinful nature hinders us from doing these three steps with a fully clean heart. That is why God's mercy is so wonderful!

Your sister in Christ Jesus,
Jessica



Heavendweller -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (5/12/2008 9:51:58 PM)

For those of you who are Lutheran, what do you think of Martin Luther's sermon, "Sin Boldly?" And what do you think about his concept of the believer being compared to "dung" who is covered by snow?

I do think we can have an "acceptable" sorrow for our sins which can only be given us by the grace of God. The Holy Spirit who abides within us has the task of convicting us of our sins. I would like to believe that He is effective in this task. When we are convicted of our sins, we must ask for forgiveness and repent of our wrong-doing. I think that God blesses the repentant Christian with a broken and contrite heart toward his sin. This would be an example of Godly grief, which is pleasing to God.

If we only experience worldly grief for our sins, then we are truly not repentant nor sorry enough. But Godly grief for our sins makes us realize how we have offended God and therefore acceptably sorrowful for our sin in God's eyes.

Heavendweller



URForgiven -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (5/12/2008 11:15:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Heavendweller

When we are convicted of our sins, we must ask for forgiveness and repent of our wrong-doing.

Heavendweller


Or what?



FurGodWurLivin -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (5/13/2008 1:38:47 AM)

To answer as specifically as possible, I am sorry enough for the sins I have already committed and repented of. Why? Because God has forgiven me of them, so I don't need to feel sorrow over them. What I need to feel more sorrow over is the nature inside of me that is still compelled to sin and sometimes still succeeds.

Now, are we sorry "enough" for that? I doubt it. It is the fear of the Lord that causes us sorrow over sin, and I would say that most of the Western church does not fear God enough... myself greatly included.

Adam



Mattumanu -> RE: Are we sorry enough for our sins ????? (5/13/2008 10:02:19 PM)

We did a show about repentance back when we were on WMEL. The answer is no, you can't be sorry enough for your sins. In fact, we often don't even recognize our sins when we do them. Only because God's law exposes our sin AND our sinfulness do we get an inkling of what's really going on.

By the way, Martin Luther didn't do a Sermon called "Sin Boldly". That statement, translated from German in a letter he wrote to Philip Melenckthon went this way, "let your sin be strong! But proclaim Christ all the more!". The context was Melenckthon was concerned that his sin was stronger than Jesus' Sacrifice, to which Luther replied the famous line. Everyone would agree that our sin is not strong enough to negate the Blood of Christ.

Here's the link to the show I was talking about.



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