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pinopolitan -> Knowing Him (4/21/2008 2:17:31 PM)
In all reverence, may I ask, is God humble?

URForgiven -> RE: Knowing Him (4/21/2008 3:10:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pinopolitan In all reverence, may I ask, is God humble? Jesus is God. I can not think of a more humble act than for a deity to submit themselves to become a man.

ta_mosquito -> RE: Knowing Him (4/21/2008 3:23:59 PM)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/humble quote: Main Entry: Function: adjective 1: not proud or haughty : not arrogant or assertive 2: reflecting, expressing, or offered in a spirit of deference or submission <a humble apology> 3 a: ranking low in a hierarchy or scale : insignificant, unpretentious b: not costly or luxurious <a humble contraption> God isn't proud or haughty; He isn't arrogant. Is he assertive? Sometimes. So by def #1 I'd say He is humble. God doesn't need to defer or submit to anyone, so def #2 doesn't apply. God is not humble per definition #3.

SureHope -> RE: Knowing Him (4/21/2008 4:22:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: URForgiven quote: ORIGINAL: pinopolitan In all reverence, may I ask, is God humble? Jesus is God. I can not think of a more humble act than for a deity to submit themselves to become a man. Good point, URForgiven. I will also add that God who exalts Himself, who displays His glory, who has no problem in requiring His creation to praise Him and give Him glory is not sinful in these actions and commands. When a man exalts himself he is prideful. When God exalts Himself He is righteous. When man treasures the creation above God he is an idolater. When God treasures Himself above all creation He is righteous. Blessings, SH

FurGodWurLivin -> RE: Knowing Him (4/21/2008 5:19:38 PM)
hehe... Yes, God is humble. To be humble means to tell the truth and not over-eggrandize yourself. God, is the most powerful, influential, and worthy being in the universe. When he declares this of himself in scripture, He is not being prideful, but telling the absolute truth. Adam

ta_mosquito -> RE: Knowing Him (4/21/2008 5:22:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FurGodWurLivin hehe... Yes, God is humble. To be humble means to tell the truth and not over-eggrandize yourself. God, is the most powerful, influential, and worthy being in the universe. When he declares this of himself in scripture, He is not being prideful, but telling the absolute truth. Ha! Great point!

bob97 -> RE: Knowing Him (4/21/2008 11:36:31 PM)
God is what ever He wants to be...because He is God! Who are we to even ask such a question? Bob

JimboFletch -> RE: Knowing Him (4/22/2008 2:07:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bob97 God is what ever He wants to be...because He is God! Who are we to even ask such a question? Bob Well, some of us are His children and He is our Father. Kids can ask a loving Father questions without incurring wrath, don't you know? [;)]

Bluethread -> RE: Knowing Him (4/22/2008 7:20:29 PM)
Adonai has no need to be humble. That is why it is so gracious of Him to have humbled Himself to become lower than the angels for our sakes

pinopolitan -> RE: Knowing Him (4/23/2008 8:18:42 AM)
Mosquito, per your #2 defintion, "reflecting, expressing, or offered in a spirit of deference or submission", it seems to me that this is a perfect fit to this passage: "And He went a little farther, and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, 'O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will but as Thou'." And furthemore, wouldn't you agree that His birth in that stable fits your definition #3? Thank you for your time and effort on this matter.

ta_mosquito -> RE: Knowing Him (4/23/2008 1:47:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pinopolitan Mosquito, per your #2 defintion, "reflecting, expressing, or offered in a spirit of deference or submission", it seems to me that this is a perfect fit to this passage: "And He went a little farther, and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, 'O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will but as Thou'." And furthemore, wouldn't you agree that His birth in that stable fits your definition #3? Thank you for your time and effort on this matter. God certainly humbled Himself when He was a man. And who was He humbling Himself to? Himself! [sm=smile-l.gif]

GraceBro -> RE: Knowing Him (4/23/2008 10:30:44 PM)
quote: In all reverence, may I ask, is God humble? "Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross!" Philippians 2: 5-8 Yes, God is humble. Grace and Peace

pinopolitan -> RE: Knowing Him (4/25/2008 7:25:27 AM)
I hope this criticism is taken in the spirit in which it is given, namely a recognition that we see through a glass darkly. Nevertheless, I do feel pressed to share the following observation: I have seen expert witnesses in court become so obsessed with defending their expertise (which they perceive is being attacked by the opposing counsel, which may not even be the case) that they totally lose sight of an objective search for the truth. They "Strain at a gnat and swallow a camel." They become so engrossed in defending their opinion that they forget the larger purpose is the pursuit of justice. Honestly, I have seen good and decent men contribute to great injustice, all issuing from their wounded pride, and never realizing this fault in themselves, as I'm sure it occurs mainly on an unconscious level. This is something that is marvelous to see, though sad. Now, Mosquito, my comments concerning your contribution are not personal. It is simply an effort to "Know Him". OK? Thus, when you said, "God certainly humbled Himself when He was a man", I notice you are using the past tense, saying, "when He WAS a man". Will you clarify this? It is my understanding that the incarnation is forever, that He retains His scars forever which is glorious proof of His love and devotion and obedience. Revelation has many references to the Lamb. My point is that God's humility is not something that He once put on and then took off (like a coat), but is an integral part of His character. And, further, when you have God humbling Himself to Himself, do you mean the Son humbling Himself to the Father? When Jesus spoke of the Holy Spirit taking of what is His and revealing it to us, He said that what is His is the Father's, so isn't this revealing that the Father Himself is humble? This matter is truly glorious. I hope I am not out of place to try and discusss such intimate matters in so open a forum. I know I love God and hope this is pleasing to Him. Thank you, Mosquito, for your love for God and people. Always, Pino

ta_mosquito -> RE: Knowing Him (4/25/2008 10:57:45 AM)
quote: Thus, when you said, "God certainly humbled Himself when He was a man", I notice you are using the past tense, saying, "when He WAS a man". Will you clarify this? It is my understanding that the incarnation is forever, that He retains His scars forever which is glorious proof of His love and devotion and obedience. Revelation has many references to the Lamb. When Jesus Christ was on earth as a man, as recorded in the Gospels, God certainly humbled Himself. Yes, the Son's incarnation is forever. But I was referring to when the Son was observed by us. quote: And, further, when you have God humbling Himself to Himself, do you mean the Son humbling Himself to the Father? When Jesus spoke of the Holy Spirit taking of what is His and revealing it to us, He said that what is His is the Father's, so isn't this revealing that the Father Himself is humble? Yes, that's what I meant - the Son humbling Himself to the Father. Often when we think of someone humbling themselves, we think of them doing it before someone greater than themselves or someone more worthy of respect, submission, etc. Rarely do we think of humbling ourselves to someone our equal or below us. (This is generally just human thought - while we as Christians ARE to submit to one another, it's upside down from worldly, natural thinking.) When one thinks of a humble person, one thinks of someone who considers themselves lower or under others. But when Jesus humbles Himself before the Father, it's humbling Himself to Himself, meaning He's still far and above us. I guess when I think of the question, "is God humble," I ask myself, "humble to whom?" or "who does He consider Himself under?" But God is NOT lower than or under anyone/anything. So yes, while God is humble as shown in Christ's actions, He is not humble in that He is far above and is the only one worthy of worship. Hope this helps. I'm not used to getting into theological discussions, so this has been an exercise for me, LOL!

pinopolitan -> RE: Knowing Him (5/3/2008 7:55:10 AM)
"Humility is the bloom and the beauty of holiness."-Andrew Murray. "If you had known Me, you should have known my Father also: and from henceforth you know Him and have seen Him" (John 14:7). "He shall glorify Me: for He shall receive of Mine, and shall show it unto you"(John 16:14). "And He that sent Me is with Me: the Father has not left Me alone..."(John 8:29). "...The Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner" (John 5:19). Mosquito, I know it seems incongrous that the Sovereign Lord of all is humble, but there are certain factors to consider, some of which are: Moses led a million people in a wilderness for 40 years, and he was "very humble, more than all men who were on the face of the earth" (Numbers 12:3). "In our earlier days of childhood in grace, we conceived the idea that God the Father was only made propitious to us through the atonement of Christ--that Jesus was the Saviour and that the Father was rather an austere Judge than a tender Friend. But since then, we have learned the Father through the Son--for it was not possible we could come unto the Father except through Jesus Christ. But, now, having seen Christ, we have seen the Father also and from henceforth, we both know the Father and have seen Him, since we know the love of Christ and felt it shed abroad in our hearts."-Charles Spurgeon "For Christ ...bring(s) us to God..."(1 Peter 3:18). Thank you for your time and thinking, Mosquito. This subject is really beautiful, although it is hard to get words for discussion.

pinopolitan -> RE: Knowing Him (5/10/2008 2:11:23 PM)
Dear Mosquito, I honestly hope I have not offended you somehow or other with my last post. Since you have not responded in a week, I fear this is the case, which I regret. Nevertheless, I do feel my point is worth making, that is, that when Scripture teaches us that Jesus reveals the Father to us I believe it means His Character also, and this would include humility. The example I used of Moses was meant to show that humbleness is not a diminument of power at all, but in actuality is a revelation for the discriminating eye. Again, please accept my apology and also know that your service on this website is notably rare and thus, appreciated. Sincerely, Pino

ta_mosquito -> RE: Knowing Him (5/10/2008 4:13:05 PM)
Nope, not offended. [:)]

kisstheson -> RE: Knowing Him (5/15/2008 2:48:32 AM)
"Come unto me all of you who are weary and heavy laiden and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn of me for I am humble and gentle of heart, for my yoke is easy and my burden is light.' -Jesus christ, the gospel of matthew. Yes God is humble.

kisstheson -> RE: Knowing Him (5/15/2008 2:55:49 AM)
quote: It is my understanding that the incarnation is forever, that He retains His scars forever which is glorious proof of His love and devotion and obedience. Revelation has many references to the Lamb. My point is that God's humility is not something that He once put on and then took off (like a coat), but is an integral part of His character. And, further, when you have God humbling Himself to Himself, do you mean the Son humbling Himself to the Father? When Jesus spoke of the Holy Spirit taking of what is His and revealing it to us, He said that what is His is the Father's, so isn't this revealing that the Father Himself is humble? This is true...I would add that Christ has wounds in his hands, feet and side, not scars. He said thomas, "Reach out your finger and put it in my wounds. Put you hand in my side." John 20:27

pmilst -> RE: Knowing Him (5/15/2008 3:55:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pinopolitan In all reverence, may I ask, is God humble? When God was about to destroy Israel for there idolatry with the golden calf, Moses had a frank talk with God about mercy and the defamment of God's name, it says in the KJV that God repented (changed His mind)about the impending judgement. I see God willing to listen to others and change his mind. To me that speaks of a conscious act to allow council. That is either wisdom,humility or both. We see the same principle applied in Isiah where God is looking for a praying believer to "stand in the Gap" to prevent the on rush of His judgement. But, in the middle of all this humility discussion, we must remember that God is proud of His name and desires that it be treated with reverance. He was disappointed in Israel for being selected as His world agent of testimony and they became more evil than the nations around them, profaining His name to those whom they should have been a witness too. Also, we must remember that the Fruit of the Spirit is love ,joy peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance. If we are created in His image and He desires these fruits in our lives, then He Himself must be longsuffering, meek, and full of temperance. Best I can do on the spur of the moment. It is a valid question, maybe others will have clearer thoughts on the subject.

pinopolitan -> RE: Knowing Him (5/21/2008 10:14:41 AM)
What is God like, or what is the Father like, or Who is like the Father? Christ is the image of God. 2 Corinthians 4:4. The Son of His love is the image of the invisible God. Colossians 1: 15. His Son is the express image of His Person. Hebrews 1:3 Jesus said, "He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?" When Jesus said that no none comes to the Father except through Him, isn't part of what He meant a revelation of what the Father Himself is like? And, therefore, when we see what Jesus is like, we see what the Father is like also? Thus, when we learn of His humility, which is so tenderly beautiful (way way beyond my words), isn't this a revealing of what God is like, (God being Father, Son and Holy Spirit)? I mean, dare we say that the Son is like so and so and the Father or the Holy Spirit is not? This is beyond comprehension. Anyway, I hope some of you get my point. These matters are indeed holy and all reverence must be remembered in discussing them. We must ask, "Whose glory am I seeking with my comments?" Lord, help us to know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, Whom You have sent. Love, Pino.

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