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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 5/11/2008 10:04:05 PM
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humbleinspirit
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Again you have missed my point. I am not talking about people with addictions necessarily. I am talking about a govermental run lottery that preys on poor, desperate, ignorant people.
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ORIGINAL: P31W
Here are some "reasons" I believe Christians should not be part of industry and should "actively" work against it.
How are these things below paid for? With money earned from each ticket sold.
"Lottery gambling is predatory — those who can afford it least spend the most.
Lottery companies know that poor households spend 3 times as much on lottery tickets as middle-income households. That is why they use millions of your tax dollars to target poor neighborhoods with seductive lottery advertising. People with household incomes of less than $10,000 bet nearly three times as much on lotteries as those with incomes over $50,000, according to the National Gambling Impact Study Commission. The top 5 percent of players (who played $3,870 or more) accounted for 54 percent of total lottery sales; the top 20 percent of players accounted for 82 percent of sales.""
National Gambling Impact Study Commission (NGISC), p. xxiii; "State Lotteries at the Turn of the Century: Report to the National Gambling Impact Study Commission," Charles T. Clotfelter, Philip J. Cook, Julie A. Edell and Marian Moore, Duke University, April 23, 1999, p. 12.
Thats why they call it the "the poor person's tax." I have seen it regularly in my State where the less to do will spend lots of money to hope to "make it rich!" then will curse the person who "already had money" win the jackpot!
I have also seen where the Lottery here will advertise 100 Million jackpot tonight! and someone will say to me, you should play, hey its worth a shot!
The Bible also says watch out for making a quick gain as well! Now, while I may be ok with gambling as a recreational activity, you should always keep in mind that it is a "losings games proposition!"
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 5/12/2008 12:50:23 PM
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Tinkerbell_
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It's all advertising. It's no worse than advertising McDonald's Happy Meals during Saturday morning cartoons for 'healthy' food, or the latest sports shoe commericals shown after school to make you the 'next Derek Jeter!' It's all advertising. They want to sell their product.
That's why half naked women are draped on car magazine. 
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 5/12/2008 1:01:47 PM
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StephK
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No it's not like McDonald's for a STATE run lottery to advertise in this way. McDonald's and the other advertising on television, magazines, etc. is done by private business not the government.
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 5/12/2008 1:20:56 PM
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P31W
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You are dead on Stephanie. Remember too the role of the advertising by the government in these poor neighborhoods is "to stimulate rather than merely accommodate demand" according to the National Gambling Impact Commission.
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 5/12/2008 9:08:37 PM
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SonInMe1
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I guess since this tax is not enforced with the gun as the other taxes are, the government still wants those tax dollars so they do it with advertising.
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 5/12/2008 9:57:51 PM
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StephK
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It's just so wrong to tell kids that working hard for a scholarship isn't worth the effort they just need to buy some lottery tickets to enjoy the easy life instead. What kind of message is that sending? If it was just a casino it would not be so bad.
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 5/12/2008 11:01:00 PM
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bzirk
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"People would rather be promised a [presumably] winning lottery ticket next week than an opportunity to get rich slowly." Warren Buffett
What Buffett doesn't understand is that it's not about the money and never has been. It's about hope. That's what the advertisers of lotteries are selling. Nevermind that the hope is only a vapor and those who do more than buy a lottery ticket on a lark are either too ignorant or desperate to realize it.
What really makes a difference is spreading the real hope the Lord brings, and maybe if someone is walking in that freedom, they might actually make some money -- or not. But does it matter if you're rich in what the Lord offers?
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 5/13/2008 8:05:51 AM
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P31W
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Can anyone show me in scripture where it's Christlike or even "ok" to attain wealth by enticing someone to gain money at the certain loss of another?
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 5/14/2008 7:44:39 PM
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deaconC
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I choose not to because I know It will become a vice for me. I have seen how it has helped georgia families including my own. I cant knock it .
Even though I dont play it is still there for my use.
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 5/14/2008 9:23:52 PM
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lw9
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P31W: Can anyone show me in scripture where it's Christlike or even "ok" to attain wealth by enticing someone to gain money at the certain loss of another?
I guess I'm not understanding that point, though. If an enticing new job is advertised in the paper and I apply and get that enticing new job, someone else is at a certain loss because I took the job. Did I sin?
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"Lottery gambling is predatory — those who can afford it least spend the most.
Lottery companies know that poor households spend 3 times as much on lottery tickets as middle-income households. That is why they use millions of your tax dollars to target poor neighborhoods with seductive lottery advertising. People with household incomes of less than $10,000 bet nearly three times as much on lotteries as those with incomes over $50,000, according to the National Gambling Impact Study Commission. The top 5 percent of players (who played $3,870 or more) accounted for 54 percent of total lottery sales; the top 20 percent of players accounted for 82 percent of sales.""
I understand that you are against the advertising methods used to entice people, but no one is forced to listen to advertising and be a victim, and no one is forced to buy lottery tickets. Enticing and deceptive advertising is everywhere and in every industry. Instead of pointing to advertising as the cause of all woe, I think people need to take responsibility for themselves. People aren't that ignorant that they don't know in advance that if they don't win, they lose. Money gone, end of story, and every person has the opportunity to weigh those options before they play. I don't believe that advertising is the main problem here, but that's just my take.
< Message edited by lw9 -- 5/14/2008 9:40:46 PM >
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 5/16/2008 8:28:21 AM
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P31W
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I understand that you are against the advertising methods used to entice people, but no one is forced to listen to advertising and be a victim, and no one is forced to buy lottery
The government puts most of their advertising dollars into advertising in "poor communities".
WHY? Do you believe they do this?
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I guess I'm not understanding that point, though. If an enticing new job is advertised in the paper and I apply and get that enticing new job, someone else is at a certain loss because I took the job. Did I sin?
Enticing people to up up their money inorder to gain wealth at the certain loss of another person's money.
Scripture teaches us that we are to "work" for money. Not use the ignorance, poverty or sins of another to gain wealth.
Jesus could have made a fortune if he played on our ingorance and poverty.
< Message edited by P31W -- 5/16/2008 8:36:06 AM >
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 5/16/2008 8:39:36 AM
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P31W
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Nevermind that the hope is only a vapor and those who do more than buy a lottery ticket on a lark are either too ignorant or desperate to realize it.
And our government knows that. Christians know that. It appears that neither groups cares. As long as it benefits them in some way who cares who it hurts.
We can be bought off so easily. So many people are "for sale" and they don't even realize it.
< Message edited by P31W -- 5/16/2008 8:45:44 AM >
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