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Dream Theater - 4/23/2008 11:24:56 PM
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JordanW
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Possibly the greatest Progressive Metal band on this planet. What do you all think of them? Currently I'm listening to the Awake album. I love DT, great drumming, great singing, awesome guitar playing, everything about this band is amazing. Discuss.
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RE: Dream Theater - 4/24/2008 12:34:39 AM
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Hi,
I like them alot. I have heard stuff from the late 90's, but nothing new? Do they have anything new? Are they a Christian oriented band? I have only heard them a few times. But I like what I heard.
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RE: Dream Theater - 4/24/2008 12:53:30 AM
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JordanW
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No, I don't believe they're a Christian band, but basically all their lyrical content is very uplifting. They have a new album that came out last year called "Systematic Chaos", a very great album might I add.
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RE: Dream Theater - 4/24/2008 1:12:12 AM
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ok, I didn't think they were. But I was just curious because their is a Christian band around here who compares themselves to DT. What other kinds of music do you like? I used to be in some local metal bands, but I have kind of changed my style.
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RE: Dream Theater - 4/24/2008 1:26:15 AM
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JordanW
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All different types of Metal really. Progressive, Thrash, Death (some), and Heavy. I enjoy classical music as well, and some hard rock/rock.
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RE: Dream Theater - 4/24/2008 9:17:29 AM
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I saw both Patrucci and Portnoy when they were part of the G3 tour last year. I wasn't that impressed with Patrucci, but Mike Portnoy was just fantastic. I think he's the best drummer/showman since Kieth Moon.
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RE: Dream Theater - 4/24/2008 2:22:29 PM
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JordanW
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I saw both Patrucci and Portnoy when they were part of the G3 tour last year. I wasn't that impressed with Patrucci, but Mike Portnoy was just fantastic. I think he's the best drummer/showman since Kieth Moon.
That suprise's me because I think Petrucci is one of the best guitar player's in the world today. Portnoy is a beast though you're right.
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RE: Dream Theater - 4/24/2008 2:50:05 PM
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I've always enjoyed Dream Theater, but I'm just a casual fan. The only CD I own by them is the one where they do a GREAT cover of Elton John's "Funeral For A Friend/Love Lies Bleeding."
I was going to post a new thread earlier today about a similar subject. I have REALLY been on a progressive/power/symphonic metal kick the past few weeks. I've been listening to a lot of Nightwish, Epica, Midnattsol, Vanden Plas, Angra, Vintersorg, Edenbridge, Opeth, etc.
I'm going to see Symphony X/Epica in Houston this weekend and Iron Maiden on May 22.
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RE: Dream Theater - 4/24/2008 3:58:35 PM
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That suprise's me because I think Petrucci is one of the best guitar player's in the world today.
Maybe it was an off night or the set list didn't showcase him so to speak.
BTW: welcome to the forums.
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RE: Dream Theater - 4/24/2008 4:17:40 PM
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I've always enjoyed Dream Theater, but I'm just a casual fan. The only CD I own by them is the one where they do a GREAT cover of Elton John's "Funeral For A Friend/Love Lies Bleeding."
I was going to post a new thread earlier today about a similar subject. I have REALLY been on a progressive/power/symphonic metal kick the past few weeks. I've been listening to a lot of Nightwish, Epica, Midnattsol, Vanden Plas, Angra, Vintersorg, Edenbridge, Opeth, etc.
I'm going to see Symphony X/Epica in Houston this weekend and Iron Maiden on May 22.
Yes, that is the, "A Change of Seasons" album. Opeth is great as well, I enjoy them quite a bit, and Iron Maiden is one of my all time favorite bands, Symphony X is amazing as well.
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RE: Dream Theater - 4/24/2008 4:19:11 PM
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That suprise's me because I think Petrucci is one of the best guitar player's in the world today.
Maybe it was an off night or the set list didn't showcase him so to speak.
BTW: welcome to the forums.
That's the only thing that I can think of, because when I saw them, I hadn't heard that many songs from them and I was just simply amazed at their sheer talent.
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RE: Dream Theater - 4/24/2008 6:24:42 PM
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Yeah, DT is one of my friend's favorite bands and he loves Steve Morse as well to. I'll have to give him a try.
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RE: Dream Theater - 4/24/2008 8:01:30 PM
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I used to be really into DT, but my interest has waned considerably, particularly since Rudess joined the band and Petrucci/Portnoy started producing the albums (which, IIRC, both happened on Scenes from a Memory). The couple albums they did where they tried to be more metal (Train of Thought and, I think, the one after it) were just aweful. The last one or two where they're back to their more traditional sound, I just found boring. LaBrie's voice has really started to grate on me. I really like big, quasi-operatic vocals in rock music, but I'd much rather listen to Geoff Tate, Bruce Dickinson, Dio or David Coverdale.
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RE: Dream Theater - 4/24/2008 9:41:00 PM
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I think their last 3 albums are some of the best that they have ever put out.
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RE: Dream Theater - 4/24/2008 10:16:21 PM
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I saw both Patrucci and Portnoy when they were part of the G3 tour last year. I wasn't that impressed with Patrucci, but Mike Portnoy was just fantastic. I think he's the best drummer/showman since Kieth Moon.
That suprise's me because I think Petrucci is one of the best guitar player's in the world today. Portnoy is a beast though you're right.
He's got crazy chops but he's got no soul and zero showmanship. The lack of soul was really evident during the all star jam at the end when they did Hendrix covers. His hard rock/blues skills are very average (IMO).
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RE: Dream Theater - 4/24/2008 10:22:45 PM
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I saw both Patrucci and Portnoy when they were part of the G3 tour last year. I wasn't that impressed with Patrucci, but Mike Portnoy was just fantastic. I think he's the best drummer/showman since Kieth Moon.
That suprise's me because I think Petrucci is one of the best guitar player's in the world today. Portnoy is a beast though you're right.
He's got crazy chops but he's got no soul and zero showmanship. The lack of soul was really evident during the all star jam at the end when they did Hendrix covers. His hard rock/blues skills are very average (IMO).
Maybe he was just having an off night? From all of the DT albums I've heard his soul and showmanship are always present.
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RE: Dream Theater - 4/24/2008 10:30:16 PM
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I just started listening to this band. I like some of their music. I'm very new to Prog music.
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RE: Dream Theater - 4/25/2008 9:36:50 AM
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Maybe, but to me though, he's a bit one dimensional. He's a lot like Yngwie Malmstean, total and insane shredder. One the other end of the scale is a guy like Santana who's not the fastest, but has a lyrical quality to his soloing that is amazing. Plus, he practically invented "signature tone". Anyway, I tend to like guys who make it cry, sing, and talk, vs. guys who spew it out at warp factor 9 every time. It's just an opinion, though.
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RE: Dream Theater - 4/25/2008 11:13:29 AM
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I know what you mean about Petrucci. He's almost too good, and sometimes I wonder what he's brought to the table as a guitarist that's truly original.
To quote from his www.dinosaurrockguitar.com profile:
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John's playing can sometimes sound a bit contrived and cold, which I feel is a byproduct of his technique and his Morse and Howe influences. To me, Petrucci's playing often sounds like it's based on thought rather than feel. For example, instead of varying his vibrato to express different emotions and feeling in his solos, he has one perfected vibrato that he seems to use for everything. I also think the constraints of the progressive format demand that he focus more on execution at the expense of emotion. There are some great exceptions to this — in fact, Awake is filled with intense, emotional guitar work, but in general, throughout Dream Theater's catalog, the guitar work often sounds very sterile.
Originality. John doesn't bring much new to the table, and I don't feel he gets much of himself into his solos, either emotionally or through signature techniques or licks. He's very broad, but not very deep. It's almost as if his approach is: This solo should be a Yngwie sweep picking thing, then I'll throw in a Steve Morse bit, then I'll toss in this Vai lick, and then a Blackmore lick . . . He's so studied that he puts different guys' licks together — almost note-for-note sometimes. While he definitely captures the essence of some of these players and executes it well, it's not too original.
John can show some emotion sometimes, and one good example is "Take Away My Pain" on "Falling into Infinity" (a patchy album with some gems). And he doesn't always just shred a-la Yngwie; there are some very melodic moments on Octavarium and Systematic Chaos. Not so much on Train of Thought, which was planned as a "metal" album. Apart from "Vacant", which is beautiful.
I personally love Dream Theater as a whole, rather than dissecting out individuals. Withough DT, Jordan Rudess would probably produce fabulously complex music, but without any melody, for example.
And as far as Christian influence is concerned, Mike Portnoy has drummed on every solo album Neal Morse has produced since he was saved (Christian prog rock!!!), and toured with him as well, so he has definitely heard the Gospel.
And by the way, you ought to get Neal Morse's "Sola Scriptura" - Christian Prog rock, with some metal moments, Portnoy on drums, and Paul Gilbert doing some of the lead guitar.
Mmmmm.......
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RE: Dream Theater - 4/25/2008 12:31:06 PM
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And as far as Christian influence is concerned, Mike Portnoy has drummed on every solo album Neal Morse has produced since he was saved (Christian prog rock!!!), and toured with him as well, so he has definitely heard the Gospel.
And by the way, you ought to get Neal Morse's "Sola Scriptura" - Christian Prog rock, with some metal moments, Portnoy on drums, and Paul Gilbert doing some of the lead guitar.
Mmmmm.......
I just got that album last week. Very nice.
I can't get enough of 'The Door'.
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RE: Dream Theater - 4/25/2008 3:22:40 PM
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And by the way, you ought to get Neal Morse's "Sola Scriptura" - Christian Prog rock, with some metal moments, Portnoy on drums, and Paul Gilbert doing some of the lead guitar. I also highly recommend his (Neal Morse) Testimony cd. Especially the first disc.
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RE: Dream Theater - 4/25/2008 7:30:10 PM
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I know what you mean about Petrucci. He's almost too good, and sometimes I wonder what he's brought to the table as a guitarist that's truly original.
To quote from his www.dinosaurrockguitar.com profile:
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John's playing can sometimes sound a bit contrived and cold, which I feel is a byproduct of his technique and his Morse and Howe influences. To me, Petrucci's playing often sounds like it's based on thought rather than feel. For example, instead of varying his vibrato to express different emotions and feeling in his solos, he has one perfected vibrato that he seems to use for everything. I also think the constraints of the progressive format demand that he focus more on execution at the expense of emotion. There are some great exceptions to this — in fact, Awake is filled with intense, emotional guitar work, but in general, throughout Dream Theater's catalog, the guitar work often sounds very sterile.
Originality. John doesn't bring much new to the table, and I don't feel he gets much of himself into his solos, either emotionally or through signature techniques or licks. He's very broad, but not very deep. It's almost as if his approach is: This solo should be a Yngwie sweep picking thing, then I'll throw in a Steve Morse bit, then I'll toss in this Vai lick, and then a Blackmore lick . . . He's so studied that he puts different guys' licks together — almost note-for-note sometimes. While he definitely captures the essence of some of these players and executes it well, it's not too original.
John can show some emotion sometimes, and one good example is "Take Away My Pain" on "Falling into Infinity" (a patchy album with some gems). And he doesn't always just shred a-la Yngwie; there are some very melodic moments on Octavarium and Systematic Chaos. Not so much on Train of Thought, which was planned as a "metal" album. Apart from "Vacant", which is beautiful.
I personally love Dream Theater as a whole, rather than dissecting out individuals. Withough DT, Jordan Rudess would probably produce fabulously complex music, but without any melody, for example.
And as far as Christian influence is concerned, Mike Portnoy has drummed on every solo album Neal Morse has produced since he was saved (Christian prog rock!!!), and toured with him as well, so he has definitely heard the Gospel.
And by the way, you ought to get Neal Morse's "Sola Scriptura" - Christian Prog rock, with some metal moments, Portnoy on drums, and Paul Gilbert doing some of the lead guitar.
Mmmmm.......
I like that profile - it's very accurate and it fits with my opinion of DT being the world's greatest cover band.
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Maybe he was just having an off night? From all of the DT albums I've heard his soul and showmanship are always present.
You don't really hear showmanship on an album, it's more something you see at a show. Portnoy is the only guy in the band with any sense of showmanship. But that's not necessarily bad - I go to listen to a band, not necessarily to watch them. Though, if a band is boring to watch, I'd rather them just admit it and work on other things than to do a poor job of trying to be showy. One of the last times I saw DT (6DOIT tour, IIRC), they actually tried to kick a soccer ball around on stage to make it look like they were goofing around and having fun. But they did it at every show, and I knew that because I'd read concert reviews prior to the show. It came off as REALLY pathetic.
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