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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 5/7/2008 6:31:24 AM
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draexo
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So all this trashing of JE is based upon the PUBLIC forum at RH?
Has anyone READ the books?
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 5/7/2008 8:00:20 AM
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So all this trashing of JE is based upon the PUBLIC forum at RH?
Has anyone READ the books?
Um, read the thread.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 5/7/2008 12:51:10 PM
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So all this trashing of JE is based upon the PUBLIC forum at RH?
Are you kidding?? Quotes and teachings from Eldredge have been provided and discussed at length. Ditto earthless's response: Read the thread.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 5/7/2008 3:35:59 PM
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AoibhinnGrainne
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So all this trashing of JE is based upon the PUBLIC forum at RH?
Are you kidding?? Quotes and teachings from Eldredge have been provided and discussed at length. Ditto earthless's response: Read the thread.
In other words, No, very few folk here have read the books. And, BTW, the quote from the book Captivating actually starts on page 113, wraps over to page 114, and stops just short of Stasi and John Eldredge quoting several verses from Scripture (primarily the Gospels), explaining and offering much clarity for their thesis statement.
The above will make better sense if you read the thread.
Again, in other words, the quotes from Eldredge have been taken, primarily, from web-sites and critics of his books and his teachings that could be best described as detractors rather than from someone who has actually read the books in toto and/or attended any of the retreats.
These quotes have also been grossly out of context.
Those who have attended the retreats and read the books (ALL of the books) have been summarily dismissed as not knowing or understanding what they've read or heard in light of the out-of-context quotes and teachings provided by the cw forumites, above.
At the behest of my Husband, I have deleted my posts.
I am encouraged by the zeal and the desire for right teaching that this next generation displays within the Church! God be praised!
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< Message edited by AoibhinnGrainne -- 5/7/2008 3:59:44 PM >
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 5/7/2008 3:56:06 PM
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lw9
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AoibhinnGrainne: At the behest of my Husband, I have deleted my posts.
That's a ridiculous excuse to delete your posts, but it's a great excuse to take one last swing at people here. If you were confident that your arguments were valid and correct, there should have been no problem letting them stand.
Obviously you are not willing to stand behind your own words.
Edited to reflect post #306's edit.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 5/7/2008 4:04:02 PM
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AoibhinnGrainne
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AoibhinnGrainne: At the behest of my Husband, I have deleted my posts. Pearls before swine and all that...
That's a ridiculous excuse to delete your posts, but it's a great excuse to take one last swing at people here. If you were confident that your arguments were valid and correct, there should have been no problem letting them stand.
Obviously you are not willing to stand behind your own words.
Are you questioning my submission to my Husband???
Again...you are speaking about that which you know nothing about, lw9. And, if you look carefully, I edited my words as they were unduly unkind and unbrotherly.
My Husband saw that this argument was unhealthy for me spiritually, as well as in other ways and asked me to delete my posts. So I did. I should think you would do the same if you had a right Christian Marriage and submitted everything you did to your Husband.
And if anyone is swinging at others here, you are.
I should think you would take this to the Lord, pray about it, and reconsider your attitude towards me as an Older Woman in the Church (re-read 1Timothy in this regard). Didn't your Mama teach you better manners than this?
Aoi.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 5/7/2008 4:15:35 PM
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Whoa people. Play nice.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 5/7/2008 4:18:50 PM
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She already said she removed them as they were unkind. Please move on. Do not quote posts that include parts of another post that have been edited out. Thank you.
All, please leave out advice that has not been asked for (tos 9) Telling someone the reason they deleted their posts is ridiculous or telling them they need to learn manners (even with a winky face) is a violation of TOS 9.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 5/7/2008 4:23:17 PM
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Winky face? Always wondered what to call that.
Ya' learn somethin' new every day.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 5/7/2008 5:48:48 PM
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earthless
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Well, one thing is for certain the poster that asked that question has not read this thread. 'Nuff said.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 5/8/2008 8:52:26 PM
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SD456
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So all this trashing of JE is based upon the PUBLIC forum at RH?
Are you kidding?? Quotes and teachings from Eldredge have been provided and discussed at length. Ditto earthless's response: Read the thread.
Lw, have you read his books so that you can put his teachings in the full context of what he's speaking about and not just read quotes out of context? That's makes a huge difference.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 5/8/2008 8:55:04 PM
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SD456
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AoibhinnGrainne: At the behest of my Husband, I have deleted my posts.
That's a ridiculous excuse to delete your posts, but it's a great excuse to take one last swing at people here. If you were confident that your arguments were valid and correct, there should have been no problem letting them stand.
Obviously you are not willing to stand behind your own words.
Edited to reflect post #306's edit.
Again, lw, have you read all of his books? Have you read even one of them? If not, then you really cannot speak about what he teaches and you would thoroughly not understand any of the quotes you pull off websites.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 5/10/2008 8:03:45 AM
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draexo
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Again, in other words, the quotes from Eldredge have been taken, primarily, from web-sites and critics of his books and his teachings that could be best described as detractors rather than from someone who has actually read the books in toto and/or attended any of the retreats.
These quotes have also been grossly out of context.
Those who have attended the retreats and read the books (ALL of the books) have been summarily dismissed as not knowing or understanding what they've read or heard in light of the out-of-context quotes and teachings provided by the cw forumites, above.
At the behest of my Husband, I have deleted my posts.
I am encouraged by the zeal and the desire for right teaching that this next generation displays within the Church! God be praised!
Aoi.
Out of context sums it up for me. Either they do not get it, or they do not need to get it.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 5/10/2008 8:13:48 AM
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I read Captivating and part of Wild at Heart. Couldn't stomach finishing it. But it's been a long time and I got rid of the books so I can't quote either one.
IMO, rather than detractors taking things out of context, proponents have jumped on a subjective bandwagon. Feelings and experiences are valued above the objectivity of God's Word. "The Fairy Tale makes us feel good so we'll wrap it up in some Scripture and sell it to Christians."
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 5/10/2008 1:49:04 PM
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AoibhinnGrainne
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I read Captivating and part of Wild at Heart. Couldn't stomach finishing it. But it's been a long time and I got rid of the books so I can't quote either one.
IMO, rather than detractors taking things out of context, proponents have jumped on a subjective bandwagon. Feelings and experiences are valued above the objectivity of God's Word. "The Fairy Tale makes us feel good so we'll wrap it up in some Scripture and sell it to Christians."
Well, that may well describe some of the folk that have become a part of RH and the RH "world", so to speak. But it hardly describes me. I have a very high view of Scripture, indeed, as I have said before. I am not an existential Believer by any means; I believe Scripture to be inerrant, infallible; it is entirely trustworthy and without error. Therefore, we are to believe and obey its teachings. The Bible is the only source of special revelation for the church today. Which, if you took the time to get to know me outside of this thread, you would know. I invite you to do so. PM me anytime...
Aoi.
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RE: RANSOMED HEART MINSTRIES & JOHN ELDREDGE: CULT? - 5/10/2008 7:26:22 PM
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I am most certainly glad to know that about you, Aoi. And thank you for the kind offer. I regret that the extensiveness of my current correspondence prohibits me from undertaking any additional dialog. It would be both disrespectful and bad manners to begin something that I know in advance I would be unable to continue. But, again, thank you.
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