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RE: Church applies for alcohol licence - 4/30/2008 8:34:55 PM
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colliefan
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There is no problem with Christians going into pubs and sharing the Word with each other and with the community.
Then what is the problem to have a place where "they" come to "us"?
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RE: Church applies for alcohol licence - 4/30/2008 9:36:01 PM
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There is no problem with Christians going into pubs and sharing the Word with each other and with the community.
Then what is the problem to have a place where "they" come to "us"?
The church is for the building up, edifying, discipling, and training for believers. . . not for people looking for cheep beer.
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RE: Church applies for alcohol licence - 5/1/2008 1:29:12 PM
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The church is for the building up, edifying, discipling, and training for believers. . . not for people looking for cheep beer.
So if they are looking for cheep beer but end up finding God - this sounds alright to me.
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RE: Church applies for alcohol licence - 5/1/2008 1:31:23 PM
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1love1God1way
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The church is for the building up, edifying, discipling, and training for believers. . . not for people looking for cheep beer.
So if they are looking for cheep beer but end up finding God - this sounds alright to me.
You're not hearing me. . .
The church is for the believers, not drunks.
The church is meant to edify, equip, and train the members to go out and reach the drunks.
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RE: Church applies for alcohol licence - 5/1/2008 1:37:23 PM
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Someone pass me a Sam Adams......
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RE: Church applies for alcohol licence - 5/1/2008 1:45:19 PM
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1love1God1way
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Someone pass me a Sam Adams......
Only if I can tell you a watered down message of Jesus infused with Hindu teachings while you drink.
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RE: Church applies for alcohol licence - 5/1/2008 1:56:01 PM
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I have public service announcements here at work that warn of the dangers of early teen drinking, some that urge parents to get involved to prevent teen drinking, some that warn of the hazards of buzz driving-that's one too many to drive--and it is all _secular_, non-religious.
If you kill someone while DUI in Alabama you get charged with _murder_. That's the law.
I understand the Scriptures do not prohibit alcohol use, but this Christian nightclub stuff or bars in churches just seems way beyond what a church should be about.
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RE: Church applies for alcohol licence - 5/1/2008 3:58:40 PM
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Catholicandloveit
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The church is for the building up, edifying, discipling, and training for believers. . . not for people looking for cheep beer.
So if they are looking for cheep beer but end up finding God - this sounds alright to me.
You're not hearing me. . .
The church is for the believers, not drunks.
The church is meant to edify, equip, and train the members to go out and reach the drunks.
No I am hearing you,
Not all who drink are drunks, and not all who drink are non-believers.
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RE: Church applies for alcohol licence - 5/1/2008 4:03:19 PM
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Catholicandloveit
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Someone pass me a Sam Adams......
Only if I can tell you a watered down message of Jesus infused with Hindu teachings while you drink.
Only if you tell the one about Jesus turning water into wine and having a good ol' time.
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RE: Church applies for alcohol licence - 5/1/2008 5:14:06 PM
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1love1God1way
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I never said a Christian couldn't drink. I hope I didn't come across that way.
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RE: Church applies for alcohol licence - 5/1/2008 10:27:03 PM
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colliefan
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In Europe, the church has been losing ground for years to the point. Many see church as just a list of do's and don'ts. The corner pub is a part of Britsh culture. What better way to show that Christianity is about a relationship than a religon? And what is the fastest growing religion in Britan? Islam
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RE: Church applies for alcohol licence - 5/1/2008 10:53:32 PM
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In Europe, the church has been losing ground for years to the point. Many see church as just a list of do's and don'ts. The corner pub is a part of Britsh culture. What better way to show that Christianity is about a relationship than a religon? And what is the fastest growing religion in Britan? Islam
But again, colliefan, where does it end. Drugs are legal in some countries. Seriously... why not open a hash bar to draw the crowds in?? And exactly what kind of a relationship does this show? Having a bar is really for the convenience and pleasure of men rather than for the glory of God. Have we completely lost that focus?
Having lived in Europe, the problem isn't as simple as 'Build a bar and they will come'. The massive shift away from Christianity has been occurring for many, many years and for many reasons - and I believe the US is not far behind. Christ commanded Christians to preach the gospel because it is the power of God for salvation, and we are to continue preaching the gospel in season and out. Right now, it's out of season and that's okay. Instead of tarting up the local church to appeal to all, Christians need to simply return to God's instructions and press on with preaching the gospel where ever they go.
Nowhere in the Bible do local churches - which are supposed to be the gathering of believers - turn themselves inside out to become the world. Biblically, evangelization took place outside of church meetings. There is nothing wrong with Christians going to the corner pub, but church should not BE the corner pub.
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RE: Church applies for alcohol licence - 5/2/2008 10:10:21 AM
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1 Corintians 11:22 Don't you have homes to eat and drink in? (NIV)
I remembered a story I heard. A preacher visited a town where he had once spoken in a church. When he saw the church building he had spoken in, there was a sign outside that said, "Fried Chicken". He went inside and found the former pastor and his wife working, cooking chicken. He asked them what happened. The pastor told him, "We began to have fried chicken dinners after the services. Soon the fried chicken became more popular than the services. We closed the church and opened a restaurant."
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RE: Church applies for alcohol licence - 5/2/2008 10:17:57 AM
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JimboFletch
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I remembered a story I heard. A preacher visited a town where he had once spoken in a church. When he saw the church building he had spoken in, there was a sign outside that said, "Fried Chicken". He went inside and found the former pastor and his wife working, cooking chicken. He asked them what happened. The pastor told him, "We began to have fried chicken dinners after the services. Soon the fried chicken became more popular than the services. We closed the church and opened a restaurant."
Not much different than WOF and similar churches...
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RE: Church applies for alcohol licence - 5/2/2008 5:59:16 PM
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SD456
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In googling the church I found this -
One person buried in the Oval Churchyard is a gentleman of Warwick, William Shakespeare! I thought it was kinda interesting.
Anyway - Let them eat and drink - our church gets a license a few times a year to serve drinks at different events. I don't think its a big deal.
Now for the Hindu deity the church is working with a nearby multi-faith center, various religious symbols are placed on the window sills, with the idea that anyone from any faith can use the building. The 40 members of this church like the idea of thier church being open- and paid to buy a new staute. Agree or not its thier church.
Pax,
Mary
I agree, Mary. Let them eat and drink. We are not forbidden to start businesses or sell anything for any reason, whether it be to have another place to hang out and discuss Jesus or not.
I know two pastor's sons who recently opened up a pub. One always wanted to have a pub and the other always wanted to be a cook and they both have always wanted a place to reach people for Jesus that is apart from a church building but would get the same customers in over and over to build relationship (unlike setting up a booth or something at a fair that is a one time thing to evangelize). More power to them! I think they 'get' it.
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RE: Church applies for alcohol licence - 5/2/2008 6:00:34 PM
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SD456
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1 Corintians 11:22 Don't you have homes to eat and drink in? (NIV)
I remembered a story I heard. A preacher visited a town where he had once spoken in a church. When he saw the church building he had spoken in, there was a sign outside that said, "Fried Chicken". He went inside and found the former pastor and his wife working, cooking chicken. He asked them what happened. The pastor told him, "We began to have fried chicken dinners after the services. Soon the fried chicken became more popular than the services. We closed the church and opened a restaurant."
That's what happens when God isn't in the house.
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RE: Church applies for alcohol licence - 5/2/2008 6:03:42 PM
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SD456
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In Europe, the church has been losing ground for years to the point. Many see church as just a list of do's and don'ts. The corner pub is a part of Britsh culture. What better way to show that Christianity is about a relationship than a religon? And what is the fastest growing religion in Britan? Islam
I have a very close friend who lives in Surrey, England. He said that his church and many others go regularly to pubs to get to know the people to build relationship and witness. There is much fruit in it and I'm so glad that there are christians out there who understand what it means to go into the Hi-ways and Bi-ways like Jesus did.
But I know that the more conservative evangelical church culture disagrees with that idea. I guess that's why it's those who are not of this culture that are stepping out in boldness to do it.
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RE: Church applies for alcohol licence - 5/2/2008 6:40:53 PM
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There is a difference between owning a pub or going to a pub to build relationships and witness to the lost. . .
And starting a pub and calling it a church for believers.
The first I have no problem with. It's the latter.
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RE: Church applies for alcohol licence - 5/2/2008 10:49:30 PM
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colliefan
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I know two pastor's sons who recently opened up a pub. One always wanted to have a pub and the other always wanted to be a cook and they both have always wanted a place to reach people for Jesus that is apart from a church building but would get the same customers in over and over to build relationship (unlike setting up a booth or something at a fair that is a one time thing to evangelize). More power to them! I think they 'get' it.
For once we agree. And I wouldn't call it a church b/c that would scare people away.
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RE: Church applies for alcohol licence - 5/2/2008 11:22:47 PM
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I know two pastor's sons who recently opened up a pub. One always wanted to have a pub and the other always wanted to be a cook and they both have always wanted a place to reach people for Jesus that is apart from a church building but would get the same customers in over and over to build relationship (unlike setting up a booth or something at a fair that is a one time thing to evangelize). More power to them! I think they 'get' it.
For once we agree. And I wouldn't call it a church b/c that would scare people away.
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In Europe, the church has been losing ground for years to the point. Many see church as just a list of do's and don'ts. The corner pub is a part of British culture. What better way to show that Christianity is about a relationship than a religion
I cannot find disagreement here
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