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sunnyangels2 -> I ENROLL MY DS ON SELF DEFENSE CLASS (4/25/2008 11:31:12 AM)

is that ok? it's aikido.
what concerns me is that they have 2 minute session for 'quieting the mind'

i put my son in defense class cause he seemed to be targeted by bullies all the time. boys girls, younger boys, you name it he got it.



cynthia -> RE: I ENROLL MY DS ON SELF DEFENSE CLASS (4/25/2008 2:23:03 PM)

There are different ways of running martial arts classes. It could be fine. Quieting one's mind should not be dangerous, but if they are asking the students to do things that are spiritual in nature, in order to quiet the mind, then that would be bad. We do not want to open our minds up to that which is not godly. However, if they are simply asking him to relax and be calm and peaceful, rather than thinking of all kinds of things unrelated to the task at hand, that should be fine, as long he is doing it in a way that honors the Lord.

Can I make a suggestion about what might be more helpful than defense classes?



ta_mosquito -> RE: I ENROLL MY DS ON SELF DEFENSE CLASS (4/25/2008 2:40:20 PM)

My husband did aikido for a couple years. He had no issues at all with any spiritual aspects of it.

Of course, you don't know my husband, so you don't know whether that's good or bad, LOL!



csl7037 -> RE: I ENROLL MY DS ON SELF DEFENSE CLASS (4/25/2008 4:36:00 PM)

I think that's fine. There's a thread about yoga in the Morality & Ethics section. I think it's about the same thing. You need to be somewhat discerning but it's not inherantly bad.



Krislynx -> RE: I ENROLL MY DS ON SELF DEFENSE CLASS (4/25/2008 6:18:29 PM)

How old is your son? My husband has taken several years of various martial arts in various disciplines and this time is normally used to relax and either get ready for or recover from class (in his experience). If it is used for other purposes or it is suggested that they "empty their minds" he meditates on scripture, sings praise songs in his head etc. We plan on teaching our son this strategy when he begins classes. If your son is old enough to understand the concerns of emptying the mind and "free" meditation then it is probably less of a concern. If he is not or you are uncomfortable with how the time is used or directed I would suggest looking for another school or discipline. Have you sat in on some classes? If not, you might consider it.

Kris



sunnyangels2 -> RE: I ENROLL MY DS ON SELF DEFENSE CLASS (4/25/2008 9:05:26 PM)

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Quieting one's mind should not be dangerous, but if they are asking the students to do things that are spiritual in nature, in order to quiet the mind, then that would be bad.


I do not exactly know what you mean when you say "spiritual in nature". They don't really require him to pray something spiritually from ancient script or meditate.

quote:

Can I make a suggestion about what might be more helpful than defense classes?


Can you please?

I really don't know what else i should do.

Seems like my son suffer so much and he is home schooled.

His friends just like to have their fist flying around for no reason. The mother always say " But Why? " as if my son provoked him/her.

These boy/girl are famous for bullying others.



sunnyangels2 -> RE: I ENROLL MY DS ON SELF DEFENSE CLASS (4/25/2008 9:16:57 PM)

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How old is your son?


Currently 8 going to be 9 this august.

The thing is he never wants to retaliate.

i have told him if someone punches you punch him or her back IMMEDIATELY. But he never did. He said it's not nice.

The thing is he got this ALL THE TIME.

I saw the time when this girl beat my son on the chest 9 times just because she is very moody and currently had a fit with her mom.

I think it's unacceptable. I confronted the mom and she sort of doesn't want to believe it either ? Until other mothers came forward and told her what her daughter did to their kids.



Jenny-Fair -> RE: I ENROLL MY DS ON SELF DEFENSE CLASS (4/25/2008 9:20:57 PM)

My boys are in jukido jujitsu. It is self-defense but the are never taught to strike! They are taught to remove themselves from their attacker's grasp, throw the attacker on the ground, and run away. There is no need to hit back.



sunnyangels2 -> RE: I ENROLL MY DS ON SELF DEFENSE CLASS (4/25/2008 9:25:13 PM)

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It is self-defense but the are never taught to strike!


Aikido is pretty much the same thing. It's self defense.

The thing is my son never provoke a fight. I know it may seemed hard to believe this since i am his mother (but i am very close to him and always goes wherever he goes)



Jenny-Fair -> RE: I ENROLL MY DS ON SELF DEFENSE CLASS (4/25/2008 9:26:35 PM)

I don't find it hard to believe. But I don't think you need to try and force your son to be violent, either. What good is hitting back going to do? That will simply escalate the fight. He can defend himself and remove himself from the situation, and that is much better.



Krislynx -> RE: I ENROLL MY DS ON SELF DEFENSE CLASS (4/25/2008 10:16:29 PM)

The school my husband attends has a good program about bullying and fighting. One of the main things they emphasize is ways to prevent that first blow. A "descalation" stance, verbal confidence etc. I have only seen the parent materials and one of the sessions but it seems like they incorporate a lot of good ideas and hitting back is discouraged. Perhaps you can speak to your son's sensei and see if they have a program or can develop one that specifically addresses those issues. I am sure that your son is not the only one in class because of that problem.

Kris



shadowspring -> RE: I ENROLL MY DS ON SELF DEFENSE CLASS (4/27/2008 4:22:35 PM)

He will probably learn good defensive/avoidance moves, which would keep him safe without him having to strike back- and make his attackers look foolish at the same time.

A lot of kids take martial arts because they are being bullied, so I'll bet your instructor can be a valuable help to your son if you just let him know what has been going on.



cynthia -> RE: I ENROLL MY DS ON SELF DEFENSE CLASS (4/27/2008 7:59:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sunnyangels2

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Quieting one's mind should not be dangerous, but if they are asking the students to do things that are spiritual in nature, in order to quiet the mind, then that would be bad.


I do not exactly know what you mean when you say "spiritual in nature". They don't really require him to pray something spiritually from ancient script or meditate.

My kids have never been in martial arts. You stated that your were concerned about the two minutes of "quieting the mind." I don't know what that entails. If they are told to empty their minds or to let something into their minds, that would be a problem for me. Christians are to meditate on something specific, not to empty our minds or to meditate on something that might be harmful.

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ORIGINAL: sunnyangels2
quote:

Can I make a suggestion about what might be more helpful than defense classes?


Can you please?

I really don't know what else i should do.

Seems like my son suffer so much and he is home schooled.

His friends just like to have their fist flying around for no reason. The mother always say " But Why? " as if my son provoked him/her.

These boy/girl are famous for bullying others.

Are they specifically bullying him or are they hitting each other as a matter of course and he isn’t into fighting back? I wouldn’t teach my kids to fight back or give them lessons on how to fight back. I don’t think there is anything wrong with martial arts or self defense, but if he needs self defense lessons in order to play with his friends, that is not healthy. If he is in danger, he ought not to play with these kids. Isn’t there anyone else for him to play with? What you are describing isn’t healthy friendship. It sounds like he’s playing with a bunch of brats whose parents don’t see a problem with their kids beating up on each other or on your son. I wouldn’t put up with that. That’s not how it works in real life. There are other options. There is a saying, “with friends like that, who needs enemies.” It sounds like these so called friends would fit into that category.

Perhaps he will find some friends in his martial arts class that are respectful and fun to be around. Had you thought about getting him involved with other activities as well where he can meet some boys his age who have manners and who have parents that understand reasonable behavior and enforce it? That would be a good alternative to him being around these children that obviously do not respect or care for him.



shadowspring -> RE: I ENROLL MY DS ON SELF DEFENSE CLASS (4/28/2008 1:50:14 PM)

Martial arts gives children confidence. It is the confidence to know they CAN take care of any situation that arises that usually ends the bullying.

My children have never been told any spooky weirdness, just to still their minds so they can concentrate on their body movement. It is a great skill.

Sort of like lamaze...[;)]



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