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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/28/2008 7:57:33 PM
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lightshineon
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No one is being nasty about BOs friends, I feel sort of sorry for him, though I would not vote for him, because his liberal views. It is his friends being nasty to him. Why does bush get blamed for everything, that is nasty. Obama has not been St Obama either I have heard him say many nasty comments about Bush, and Hillary.
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Well you just keep on believeing that, as the Republicans keep a hold on the White house and take back the House and Senage because of obama's connections with Wright, Weathermen terrorist, and real freaks such a Farakaum, etc.
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Us liberals have played relatively nicely on McCain's Stilson-like tendancies so far (ask anyone in the Senate who has disagreed with him on something he felt strongly about). Why must y'all be so nasty when it merely comes to issues with Obama's friends.
I think the reason that McCain looks squeaky clean while Obama and Hillary don't is that McCain hasn't had the talking heads walking all over him quite as much. Maybe it's that we saw what Bush did to him in 2000, and we feel like playing a bit nicer.
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/28/2008 8:18:04 PM
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Your theology determines one's anthropology. And how you see humans determines your sociology. To look at how we've come to see race, and in others of other races, based on our understanding of God who sees others as less than important. Less than my people. And where in our religious traditions are there passages in our sacred scriptures that are racist? they're in the Bible
This is from the link, I read all the way thru. I agree with some of what he says.
What I don't agree with is his theology, there are no racist terms in the Bible.
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/28/2008 9:03:54 PM
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I guess I was asking too much
My mistake.
Seriously though it is amazing to me how bias some on here are. Hey I'm probably as conservative as the next man, but when it come to things like this I want to get the full story of everything, put it into a historical context and then make my judgement/form my opinions. I forgot, historical context don't exist around here unless it's HIStorical context.
Yes. Heaven forbid if one attempts to try to understand another point of view.
And it seems, most have missed the entire point of Wright's sermon....that our allegiance is to God and not the government...and yes, even the US government.
I certainly would not have used the terms he used to make the point....but the point is valid.
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/28/2008 9:56:17 PM
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Us liberals have played relatively nicely on McCain's Stilson-like tendancies so far
McCain is a liberal
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/28/2008 10:41:58 PM
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Well Obama, better run,run, as fast as he can like the gingerbread man away from Wright. Watching news ( and no not Fox) he is not doing Obama any good. Seems like he is trying to hurt him, what a stand up guy. Obamas poll numbers are down, and why is he doing this before the primary? Obama running in car smileys.
Light, my hubby, who is an BO supporter just called me from work and said the same thing. He watched some of it today. Now I feel sorry for Obama because I think Wright and the NOI is using him!!!
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/28/2008 10:49:08 PM
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He is killing his chances, though I do not support BO, it is pretty dirty of Wright. I think Wright is mad at Obama, and is showing it. Even black political anchors are very angry at wright. Like I said I do not support Obama, but, wow Wright is not a good man.
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Well Obama, better run,run, as fast as he can like the gingerbread man away from Wright. Watching news ( and no not Fox) he is not doing Obama any good. Seems like he is trying to hurt him, what a stand up guy. Obamas poll numbers are down, and why is he doing this before the primary? Obama running in car smileys.
Light, my hubby, who is an BO supporter just called me from work and said the same thing. He watched some of it today. Now I feel sorry for Obama because I think Wright and the NOI is using him!!!
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/28/2008 11:10:17 PM
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He is killing his chances, though I do not support BO, it is pretty dirty of Wright. I think Wright is mad at Obama, and is showing it. Even black political anchors are very angry at wright. Like I said I do not support Obama, but, wow Wright is not a good man.
WE have to revisit this?
WHO IS THIS MAN?
i think an undercover NOI member, believe me alot of black people are mad, some are calling me & IM'ing like crazy, LOL, I looked crazy 3 weeks ago, when I was talking about him, he just proved me right, man, he should have kept his mouth shut, I'm not a BO supporter either, you see his arrogance ?
Bo is asking hisself the same question, who is this man?!!!! LOL!
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/28/2008 11:21:56 PM
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He is killing his chances, though I do not support BO, it is pretty dirty of Wright. I think Wright is mad at Obama, and is showing it. Even black political anchors are very angry at wright. Like I said I do not support Obama, but, wow Wright is not a good man.
WE have to revisit this?
WHO IS THIS MAN?
i think an undercover NOI member, believe me alot of black people are mad, some are calling me & IM'ing like crazy, LOL, I looked crazy 3 weeks ago, when I was talking about him, he just proved me right, man, he should have kept his mouth shut, I'm not a BO supporter either, you see his arrogance ?
Bo is asking hisself the same question, who is this man?!!!! LOL!
BO spent 20 years in the pews of this man's apostate church, he performed his wedding, and dunked his kids... He knows full well who he is... And the NAACP thought enough of the man to have him as their guest at dinner this past weekend... Obama and the black community can squawk all they want; the Rev. Wright is theirs...
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/28/2008 11:36:21 PM
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BO spent 20 years in the pews of this man's apostate church, he performed his wedding, and dunked his kids... He knows full well who he is... And the NAACP thought enough of the man to have him as their guest at dinner this past weekend... Obama and the black community can squawk all they want; the Rev. Wright is theirs...
The whole black community, can't be, they are only 2 men. so a white apostate preacher is responsible for all whites? And I would argue the Rev. Wright is also yours, he is not that lightskinned without a European being involved somewhere? And guess what you can keep BO too!
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/28/2008 11:51:43 PM
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The whole black community, can't be, they are only 2 men.
Last I checked the NAACP spoke for the black community. I am sure if one were to ask them, they would say they do...
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And I would argue the Rev. Wright is also yours, he is not that lightskinned without a European being involved somewhere?
You can try, but it won't stick... It's about what he says not his skin tone…
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And guess what you can keep BO too!
No thanks... I have no need for his type...
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/28/2008 11:56:14 PM
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No, No, say it is not so Wright is not white! Just joking he is about as white as I am. Whiter than Bo who is half white, Do you think wright is an undercover white, pretending to be black? Somebody please duck tape wrights mouth, not for Bo's sake, but for humanity's sake. 
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/29/2008 12:10:19 AM
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The original post can't be trusted. It's source is probably the Obama campaign. The writer gave himself away when he tried to say that GWB's militiary experience as a national guard jet fighter pilot was something like draft dodging Bill Clinton's, who served no capacity for a single moment. But he did write a letter to a colonel saying that he hated the military.
Wright is a lunatic. Telling people that America created AIDS to kill blacks should have settled that.
Actually, this was published in the evil liberal Chicago Tribune (in reality, the most conservative well-read newspaper in the country.) See here:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-oped0404wrightapr03,0,92000.story
Apparently, I hear there is a liberal conspiracy at the Chicago Tribune to try and have Marxist preachers take over the world and convince everyone that Jesus had brown eyes and wasn't Caucasian. They are also engaging in a conspiracy to get AIDS into the US.
EDIT: Apparently, this evil Marxist conspiracy to convince people that Wright served in the military has spread to the Illinois State Legislature:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09500HR1073&GA=95&SessionId=51&DocTypeId=HR&LegID=38304&DocNum=1073&GAID=9&Session=
It was obvious to me that the source was untrustworthy. Both of the authors work for the Center for American Progress, which is lead by one of Bill Clinton's chiefs of staff.
It was a puff piece for BHO, not serious journalism.
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/29/2008 12:28:26 AM
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It was obvious to me that the source was untrustworthy. Both of the authors work for the Center for American Progress, which is lead by one of Bill Clinton's chiefs of staff.
It was a puff piece for BHO, not serious journalism.
They were published in the Editorial section of the Chicago Tribune- alongside other liberal whackjobs like Charles Krauthammer and David Byrne. Besides that, of course, the Illinois State Legislature also affirmed this evidence with the resolution they passed when Wright retired. (This was before the sound bites leaked and folks attacked Wright for a 30 second clip from his sermon.)
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/29/2008 12:29:33 AM
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First off, whether one agrees with Wright or not is irrelevant to me at this point, but I'd like to ask some questions:
1. Has the PREACHER of ANY political candidate ever been scrutinized like Wright has? Can anyone even name any of the other candidates', including current President Bush's preacher?
2. Has any political candidate ever been asked to denounce as many people as Obama has?
3. Do you think any future political candidates will have to have his/her preacher pass inspection before they would be considered qualified for political office?
4. Would any of you like it if your boss calls you in one day and tells you he/she didn't like something your preacher said so you have to either quit the church or lose your job?
5. Since everyone is harping on the fact that Obama was at this church for at least 20 years, how many people who have been at their church for that long, can honestly say their preacher never said anything they didn't agree with? If so, why didn't you leave?
6. Is every little girl and boy who attends Trinity United Church now officially ineligible to run for President of the United States?
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7. Does anyone find it strange that not one sitting Congressman or political office holder, regardless of party, has come out publically against Obama's association with his pastor? Yes, Hillary did say she would have left the church if it were her, but she said little else. Think maybe they don't want that can of worms opened?
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/29/2008 12:50:04 AM
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1. Has the PREACHER of ANY political candidate ever been scrutinized like Wright has? Can anyone even name any of the other candidates', including current President Bush's preacher?
I don't think so, but this question begs another.... Has the PREACHER of ANY political candidate ever been such a whack job?
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2. Has any political candidate ever been asked to denounce as many people as Obama has?
Er... Whose fault is that???
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3. Do you think any future political candidates will have to have his/her preacher pass inspection before they would be considered qualified for political office?
That would depend on where they rate on the whack job scale...
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4. Would any of you like it if your boss calls you in one day and tells you he/she didn't like something your preacher said so you have to either quit the church or lose your job?
If the church was pastored by Rev. Wright the boss would be doing the person a favor....
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5. Since everyone is harping on the fact that Obama was at this church for at least 20 years, how many people who have been at their church for that long, can honestly say their preacher never said anything they didn't agree with? If so, why didn't you leave?
The comments in question are so outrages you are not doing them justice....
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6. Is every little girl and boy who attends Trinity United Church now officially ineligible to run for President of the United States?
Nope, but if they choose to remain in the apostate church they will have issues...
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7. Does anyone find it strange that not one sitting Congressman or political office holder, regardless of party, has come out publically against Obama's association with his pastor? Yes, Hillary did say she would have left the church if it were her, but she said little else. Think maybe they don't want that can of worms opened?
No... LOL
John
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/29/2008 12:54:53 AM
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It was obvious to me that the source was untrustworthy. Both of the authors work for the Center for American Progress, which is lead by one of Bill Clinton's chiefs of staff.
It was a puff piece for BHO, not serious journalism.
...so you're suggesting they have turned on the Clintons?
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Lawrence Korb and Ian Moss are, respectively, Navy and Marine Corps veterans. They work at The Center For American Progress. Korb served as assistant secretary of Defense in the Reagan administration.
The Reagan Administration?
btw, who was Reagan's pastor?
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/29/2008 12:56:18 AM
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It was obvious to me that the source was untrustworthy. Both of the authors work for the Center for American Progress, which is lead by one of Bill Clinton's chiefs of staff.
It was a puff piece for BHO, not serious journalism.
They were published in the Editorial section of the Chicago Tribune- alongside other liberal whackjobs like Charles Krauthammer and David Byrne. Besides that, of course, the Illinois State Legislature also affirmed this evidence with the resolution they passed when Wright retired. (This was before the sound bites leaked and folks attacked Wright for a 30 second clip from his sermon.)
Now you're relying on the silly "sound bite" argument. Wright could put out transcripts, audio, video tapes of his 'sermons' if he wanted to and show us all just how out of context the selected items were. The trouble is, there is no context that can explain the lie that AIDS was created to kill blacks.
That Wright was in the military doesn't matter. Nobody ever said that his entire life was without merit.
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/29/2008 1:01:16 AM
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It was obvious to me that the source was untrustworthy. Both of the authors work for the Center for American Progress, which is lead by one of Bill Clinton's chiefs of staff.
It was a puff piece for BHO, not serious journalism.
...so you're suggesting they have turned on the Clintons?
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Lawrence Korb and Ian Moss are, respectively, Navy and Marine Corps veterans. They work at The Center For American Progress. Korb served as assistant secretary of Defense in the Reagan administration.
The Reagan Administration?
btw, who was Reagan's pastor?
Career administrators move from administration to adminstration. GWB's first CIA director was appointed by Bill Clinton.
Both writers are left wing. Conservatives do not work for the Center for American Progress.
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/29/2008 1:03:46 AM
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....so did Bill Moyers fake the photograph (shown in the interview) that showed Wright attending LBJ in the operating room?
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/29/2008 7:51:44 AM
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so did Bill Moyers fake the photograph (shown in the interview) that showed Wright attending LBJ in the operating room?
Am still wondering how being on the team that helped LBJ live is a good thing (-:
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/29/2008 9:49:28 AM
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No, No, say it is not so Wright is not white! Just joking he is about as white as I am. Whiter than Bo who is half white, Do you think wright is an undercover white, pretending to be black? Somebody please duck tape wrights mouth, not for Bo's sake, but for humanity's sake.
I would be willing to do it!!!! I just don't like he says he is fighting for all Black Churches. I NEVER HEARD anything about white/black in my Churches anywhere that I attended
My grandmother had one litmus test for everyone--DO they got Jesus?
"enthusatic HILLARY supporter organized the Rev. Wright at Press Club."
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/columnists/louis/index.html
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/29/2008 10:51:47 AM
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I don't think it matters what the previous accomplishments that (I will call him Mr. not Rev.) Mr. Wright has, it is the here and now that I am concerned with. I congratulate him on said accomplishments and thank him for his time in service to our great country. I will say that I am 34 y/o and I am not the same as I was when I was 24 y/o. Things in my life have given me the point of view that I currently have, and things that will happen at a future date may continue to assist me in forming other views. As for now Mr. Wright has a very negative view of the world and as I see it has no place in serious discourse and discussion in any public forum regarding public policy. Just the same as most would claim that Rev.(Mr.) Pat Roberts. Pat Roberts has been just as mocked and hated for his views, where were all of the defenders then. If you can defend Wright then defend Roberts... They have both basically said the samet things as far as punishment on America!
Otherwise, yes Lee Harvey Oswald was a marine as was Timothy McVeigh. Yes, both were Criminals and of course Wright is not, however, it goes to point out that just because you served in the military this doesn't make you a great person after you get out.
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/29/2008 11:39:10 AM
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1.No honestly there hs not been, a pastor scrutinized like Wright, but are you noy concerned at his views?
2. Obama better denounce him, because like it or not if he wants to be president, he is to serve all races, and it makes us white people feel a little uneasy, with Wrights views, and wonder if Obama holds the same. Agree, od disagree, there is cause to believe Obama agrees with Wright. Would you want David Duke as president? I would not, even being white. I have better sense than wanting an extream person in office.
3.Maybe, they will a standard has been set, even if not, Obama needs to picj better friends. He needs a life coach or something. Obama is linked to radical, racist people. Ever hear the adage? "Birds of a Feather, flock togather"
4. Totally different situation. Say someone is a fry cook vs. President of the United States of America. Though if a fry cook was stepping on others because of beliefs of other employess, or patrons. They maybe ask to quit, there belief system or leave. Here is an exzample of this a grocery bagger ( a oneness pentocostal) at a local store here in my small town, when he carries my grocerys out, he makes comments about, I wear perfume like I am not married, or I wear capri pants, he comments on that, and me wearing make-up, tries to push oneness doctrine on me. I have not told, on him, because of love.
5. If my pastor said racist comments, would not be my pastor, I am more balanced than that.
6. Maybe, if they are ingrained so deeply with racial hate, from childhood that might disqulify them for future office, atleast, I hope.
7. It is called covering political behind, being PC, not wanting to appear racist.
My comment is Julius, is Wright is a bitter man, and bitterness and anger has taken over his soul. Does he have a right to be angry? (maybe), does not everyone has a reason, life is not fair. He is so bitter that he is bitter at Obama, and he is trying to hurt him, for not defending his hate stance. That is such a no brainer. Bitterness destroys and makes one prideful.
Another point, Wright is the one making a donkeys behind of himself, and Obama, it all died down, and just before an important primary, Wright is on a destruction tour. I think to put the blame on anyone, but Wright, and Obama is just seeing what you want to see. Here is another point, see how black bitterness in churches, destroys its own members. This is not the gospel of Christ is is a black KKK rally. It keeps memebers stuck in the past, so they cannot become sucessful, or truly free. The Bible itself will back up my last statement.
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First off, whether one agrees with Wright or not is irrelevant to me at this point, but I'd like to ask some questions:
1. Has the PREACHER of ANY political candidate ever been scrutinized like Wright has? Can anyone even name any of the other candidates', including current President Bush's preacher?
2. Has any political candidate ever been asked to denounce as many people as Obama has?
3. Do you think any future political candidates will have to have his/her preacher pass inspection before they would be considered qualified for political office?
4. Would any of you like it if your boss calls you in one day and tells you he/she didn't like something your preacher said so you have to either quit the church or lose your job?
5. Since everyone is harping on the fact that Obama was at this church for at least 20 years, how many people who have been at their church for that long, can honestly say their preacher never said anything they didn't agree with? If so, why didn't you leave?
6. Is every little girl and boy who attends Trinity United Church now officially ineligible to run for President of the United States?
and finally..
7. Does anyone find it strange that not one sitting Congressman or political office holder, regardless of party, has come out publically against Obama's association with his pastor? Yes, Hillary did say she would have left the church if it were her, but she said little else. Think maybe they don't want that can of worms opened?
- Julius
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