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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 10:08:50 AM
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Yes I judge getting drunk to be wrong. No I do not judge drunks.
You have a paradox there...
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I don't see folly in my statement, so you haven't shown it to me. Please explain. I'm trying to discuss this and understand your view while sharing mine.
You said we are not to judge...
I fully understand the subject of the thread, but the question was relevant in that we all know that everyone makes mistakes. Just because the person in question is a name many people recognize doesn't give us license to judge her more than we would judge anyone else (which is supposed to be none).
I showed where we have to at times... Right? We shouldn't let our children play with pedophiles, because we judge them... Eternally? NO... Temporally? You bet...
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Perhaps that's not your goal.
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Why close the threads? I'm simply sharing my view that judgment should be left to God.
I saying you are wrong... You judge... You have to if not you'd sin all the time... In fact you have made judgment towards me in two of your posts...
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I don't think public figures should be held to a higher standard. You do. To each his own.
I never said public figures, I said Christians...
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I didn't say I never judge. I said I think I should strive not to. If you have taken my standards for myself and superimposed them onto your life, that's on you.
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Just because the person in question is a name many people recognize doesn't give us license to judge her more than we would judge anyone else (which is supposed to be none).
You statement says we shouldn't judge... Until this post I haven't seen anything like, I said I think I should strive not to.
I have done nothing but respond to what you posted...
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 10:14:39 AM
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You are an adult, not her target audience. Her target audience are little girls. That is the problem. She and her father made a bad judgment call and are now dealing with the fallout. Parents bought her mediocre music, concert tickets and other paraphernalia for their children based on her wholesome, "Christian" persona. She didn't have to pose for Vanity Fair at this point in her career. Vanity Fair is not a teen magazine even. It's geared for the twenty-somethings and older.
Which semi- begs the question...why do parents of young children care that these pictures appear in Vanity Fair? They shouldn't be looking at Vanity Fair anyway.
Regarding higher standards...the bible says teachers of the Word are held to higher standard. Not public figures.
The bibles says...
Luke 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
She has been blessed with fame and wealth and invokes the name of Jesus Christ... She has been given more, so more is required...
Nothing to do with being a public figure...
Just as well, the more knowledge of God you have the more you are responsible for your behavior..
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 10:17:56 AM
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Why should parents turn their heads at the fact that this particular star is starting to tart herself up in order to reach a more adult audience? The problem is she's not an adult but still a 15 year old kid. They do have previous other child entertainers to base this decision on after all. Look at the other Disney stars, Britney, Jessica, Christina, Lindsey, etc.
That and the fact she claims to be a believer....
Funny how people wish to protect her from "judgment" yet it's of no concern how she is acting in the name of Christ...
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 10:49:57 AM
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Why should parents turn their heads at the fact that this particular star is starting to tart herself up in order to reach a more adult audience? The problem is she's not an adult but still a 15 year old kid. They do have previous other child entertainers to base this decision on after all. Look at the other Disney stars, Britney, Jessica, Christina, Lindsey, etc.
Exactly. By now, parents should know better. The pictures that appear in Vanity Fair have no bearing on what happens on "Hannah Montana."
Further, those pictures weren't taken "in the name of Christ." Neither does Hannah Montana appear in concert or on television "in the name of Christ."
Miley Cyrus has said she's embarrassed and she's sorry. Leave it at that.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 11:00:16 AM
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I've always seen the biblical definition of modesty as the word is used in context in the Bible. Look at 1 Timothy 2:9, where it's talking about not wearing "braided hairstyles and gold ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes". It's talking about not showing off one's wealth or stature.
It's about attitude... The whole picture... Are you willing to say it's ok to show off cleavage?
John
In truth, I don't think it's my place to tell anyone what to or what not to show off. I don't necessarily agree with the showing off of cleavage, but I don't think it violates the biblical definition of modesty we find in 1 Timothy 2:9. That may be dealt with elsewhere, but citing that verse is improper.
You are wrong...
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What do you have to back that up?
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 11:02:55 AM
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That's something I've tried to work on. I know I'm not a perfect man, so who am I to judge the character or the life of another?
I have no problem judging the teachings and claims of anyone in light of Scripture. I hope you do make that distinction.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 11:05:13 AM
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Yes I judge getting drunk to be wrong. No I do not judge drunks.
You have a paradox there...
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I don't see folly in my statement, so you haven't shown it to me. Please explain. I'm trying to discuss this and understand your view while sharing mine.
You said we are not to judge...
I fully understand the subject of the thread, but the question was relevant in that we all know that everyone makes mistakes. Just because the person in question is a name many people recognize doesn't give us license to judge her more than we would judge anyone else (which is supposed to be none).
I showed where we have to at times... Right? We shouldn't let our children play with pedophiles, because we judge them... Eternally? NO... Temporally? You bet...
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Perhaps that's not your goal.
What irony...
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Why close the threads? I'm simply sharing my view that judgment should be left to God.
I saying you are wrong... You judge... You have to if not you'd sin all the time... In fact you have made judgment towards me in two of your posts...
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I don't think public figures should be held to a higher standard. You do. To each his own.
I never said public figures, I said Christians...
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I didn't say I never judge. I said I think I should strive not to. If you have taken my standards for myself and superimposed them onto your life, that's on you.
You said...
Just because the person in question is a name many people recognize doesn't give us license to judge her more than we would judge anyone else (which is supposed to be none).
You statement says we shouldn't judge... Until this post I haven't seen anything like, I said I think I should strive not to.
I have done nothing but respond to what you posted...
John
We didn't mean you and I, necessarily. You drew that conclusion. I meant it as in the Christian community in general, which includes everyone, not you specifically.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 11:11:04 AM
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That's something I've tried to work on. I know I'm not a perfect man, so who am I to judge the character or the life of another?
I have no problem judging the teachings and claims of anyone in light of Scripture. I hope you do make that distinction.
It does depend on how far I take it. If something is clearly done by someone which is unbecoming of a Christian, I think the right thing to do would be to pull them aside and discuss the situation with them. If it extends to making judgments about the person aside from the specific action in question, there becomes a problem. Judging the teachings and claims of someone is much different from judging them as a person, which includes assuming they're lying about this or that.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 11:16:49 AM
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OK, but I am talking about public teachings which then open the door to public rebukes with the Word.
I do not want to derail the thread, but your comments about "do not judge" peeked my interest into how far or what exactly you meant by that. Because Lord knows that verse is grossly taken out of context in our church circles today.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 11:29:47 AM
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Why should parents turn their heads at the fact that this particular star is starting to tart herself up in order to reach a more adult audience? The problem is she's not an adult but still a 15 year old kid. They do have previous other child entertainers to base this decision on after all. Look at the other Disney stars, Britney, Jessica, Christina, Lindsey, etc.
Exactly. By now, parents should know better. The pictures that appear in Vanity Fair have no bearing on what happens on "Hannah Montana."
Further, those pictures weren't taken "in the name of Christ." Neither does Hannah Montana appear in concert or on television "in the name of Christ."
Miley Cyrus has said she's embarrassed and she's sorry. Leave it at that.
Parents have the right to decide what their children listen to and watch. If they don't like the direction the star is going then they have every right to say no. Personally I don't like her primarily because she's a mediocre singer. I don't think parents should be accepting subpar talent as role models. Kids should be exposed to good art IMO.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 11:31:47 AM
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OK, but I am talking about public teachings which then open the door to public rebukes with the Word.
I do not want to derail the thread, but your comments about "do not judge" peeked my interest into how far or what exactly you meant by that. Because Lord knows that verse is grossly taken out of context in our church circles today.
Some people take it out of hand one way. It's wise to heed the verse in everything it's meant, though.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 11:36:57 AM
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Why should parents turn their heads at the fact that this particular star is starting to tart herself up in order to reach a more adult audience? The problem is she's not an adult but still a 15 year old kid. They do have previous other child entertainers to base this decision on after all. Look at the other Disney stars, Britney, Jessica, Christina, Lindsey, etc.
Exactly. By now, parents should know better. The pictures that appear in Vanity Fair have no bearing on what happens on "Hannah Montana."
Further, those pictures weren't taken "in the name of Christ." Neither does Hannah Montana appear in concert or on television "in the name of Christ."
Miley Cyrus has said she's embarrassed and she's sorry. Leave it at that.
Parents have the right to decide what their children listen to and watch. If they don't like the direction the star is going then they have every right to say no. Personally I don't like her primarily because she's a mediocre singer. I don't think parents should be accepting subpar talent as role models. Kids should be exposed to good art IMO.
I totally agree with you on all those points. I think too often parents put all their entertainment eggs in one basket. IOW, "My daughter likes Hannah Montana and Miley Cyrus is a Christian! So everything she does is great and my daughter can have every piece of marketing trash available and I'll spend gobs of money on it! Wait...she's in Vanity Fair with a naked back? She's not a Christian and it's all her fault my daughter has been deceived!" Please. 
Parents need to take the examples you've given, have longer memories than last week, have a little self-control when it comes to Happy meals and knick knacks next to check out stands...and give their kids some variety in entertainment--preferably good art, as you said.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 12:30:11 PM
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Exactly. By now, parents should know better. The pictures that appear in Vanity Fair have no bearing on what happens on "Hannah Montana."
Of course those aren't the only pictures out there.... And yes it does have a bearing for those who see things a certain way...
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Further, those pictures weren't taken "in the name of Christ." Neither does Hannah Montana appear in concert or on television "in the name of Christ."
If one claims Christ everything you do is in the name of Christ... The bible says anything not donein faith is a sin...
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Miley Cyrus has said she's embarrassed and she's sorry. Leave it at that.
If you don't wish to discuss it any further that is your prerogative...
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 12:31:34 PM
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I've always seen the biblical definition of modesty as the word is used in context in the Bible. Look at 1 Timothy 2:9, where it's talking about not wearing "braided hairstyles and gold ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes". It's talking about not showing off one's wealth or stature.
It's about attitude... The whole picture... Are you willing to say it's ok to show off cleavage?
John
In truth, I don't think it's my place to tell anyone what to or what not to show off. I don't necessarily agree with the showing off of cleavage, but I don't think it violates the biblical definition of modesty we find in 1 Timothy 2:9. That may be dealt with elsewhere, but citing that verse is improper.
You are wrong...
John
What do you have to back that up?
The verse itself... Paul is giving examples... Modest isn't about a few items, it's about everything, attitude...
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 12:36:00 PM
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We didn't mean you and I, necessarily. You drew that conclusion. I meant it as in the Christian community in general, which includes everyone, not you specifically.
You are walking over your own words... I drew nothing, I responded to what you posted...... The above is vague and could be taken a million different ways. Prior to this you said something different… It seems you have changed your mind… That’s fine, but don’t try and say I am doing something..
Again, you said...
Just because the person in question is a name many people recognize doesn't give us license to judge her more than we would judge anyone else (which is supposed to be none).
The above says we are (according to you) to judge none...
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 12:37:26 PM
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The verse insinuates nothing about cleavage in any way. I am not wrong, as you say, though our opinions may differ.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 12:38:50 PM
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That's something I've tried to work on. I know I'm not a perfect man, so who am I to judge the character or the life of another?
I have no problem judging the teachings and claims of anyone in light of Scripture. I hope you do make that distinction.
It does depend on how far I take it. If something is clearly done by someone which is unbecoming of a Christian, I think the right thing to do would be to pull them aside and discuss the situation with them. If it extends to making judgments about the person aside from the specific action in question, there becomes a problem. Judging the teachings and claims of someone is much different from judging them as a person, which includes assuming they're lying about this or that.
You can't separate the person from the action...If what they are doing is wrong, they are wrong, and judged accordingly... That's a righteous judgment...
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 12:38:55 PM
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We didn't mean you and I, necessarily. You drew that conclusion. I meant it as in the Christian community in general, which includes everyone, not you specifically.
You are walking over your own words... I drew nothing, I responded to what you posted...... The above is vague and could be taken a million different ways. Prior to this you said something different… It seems you have changed your mind… That’s fine, but don’t try and say I am doing something..
Again, you said...
Just because the person in question is a name many people recognize doesn't give us license to judge her more than we would judge anyone else (which is supposed to be none).
The above says we are (according to you) to judge none...
John
A claim to which I still hold.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 12:40:07 PM
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That's something I've tried to work on. I know I'm not a perfect man, so who am I to judge the character or the life of another?
I have no problem judging the teachings and claims of anyone in light of Scripture. I hope you do make that distinction.
It does depend on how far I take it. If something is clearly done by someone which is unbecoming of a Christian, I think the right thing to do would be to pull them aside and discuss the situation with them. If it extends to making judgments about the person aside from the specific action in question, there becomes a problem. Judging the teachings and claims of someone is much different from judging them as a person, which includes assuming they're lying about this or that.
You can't separate the person from the action...If what they are doing is wrong, they are wrong, and judged accordingly... That's a righteous judgment...
John
You can and should separate them. Does "judge not" mean nothing? To too many, it means just that.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 12:41:47 PM
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The verse insinuates nothing about cleavage in any way. I am not wrong, as you say, though our opinions may differ.
The verse speaks of appearance... So yes, you are wrong since you believe it to be simply about the examples given...
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 12:45:41 PM
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The verse insinuates nothing about cleavage in any way. I am not wrong, as you say, though our opinions may differ.
The verse speaks of appearance... So yes, you are wrong since you believe it to be simply about the examples given...
John
I could say the same thing about you, but it means nothing to call one another wrong. The verse speaks about a specific showing off of wealth. I believe you are adding to the words of this verse.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 12:46:31 PM
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That's something I've tried to work on. I know I'm not a perfect man, so who am I to judge the character or the life of another?
I have no problem judging the teachings and claims of anyone in light of Scripture. I hope you do make that distinction.
It does depend on how far I take it. If something is clearly done by someone which is unbecoming of a Christian, I think the right thing to do would be to pull them aside and discuss the situation with them. If it extends to making judgments about the person aside from the specific action in question, there becomes a problem. Judging the teachings and claims of someone is much different from judging them as a person, which includes assuming they're lying about this or that.
You can't separate the person from the action...If what they are doing is wrong, they are wrong, and judged accordingly... That's a righteous judgment...
John
You can and should separate them. Does "judge not" mean nothing? To too many, it means just that.
If it were the only verse regarding judgment yes, but it's not... We are told to judge a righteous judgment... So it would seem your view of the verse is lacking the entire scope of God's word. And no you can't separate them. The gives the impression that the person is ok; it's just the sin that is bad... Hardly biblical...
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 12:52:33 PM
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That's something I've tried to work on. I know I'm not a perfect man, so who am I to judge the character or the life of another?
I have no problem judging the teachings and claims of anyone in light of Scripture. I hope you do make that distinction.
It does depend on how far I take it. If something is clearly done by someone which is unbecoming of a Christian, I think the right thing to do would be to pull them aside and discuss the situation with them. If it extends to making judgments about the person aside from the specific action in question, there becomes a problem. Judging the teachings and claims of someone is much different from judging them as a person, which includes assuming they're lying about this or that.
You can't separate the person from the action...If what they are doing is wrong, they are wrong, and judged accordingly... That's a righteous judgment...
John
You can and should separate them. Does "judge not" mean nothing? To too many, it means just that.
If it were the only verse regarding judgment yes, but it's not... We are told to judge a righteous judgment... So it would seem your view of the verse is lacking the entire scope of God's word. And no you can't separate them. The gives the impression that the person is ok; it's just the sin that is bad... Hardly biblical...
John
That is very biblical. I am cleansed of my sin by the blood of the Christ. If God can forgive me, why not others? Forgiveness, biblically, also means completely forgetting. If you forgive and forget a sin you've discerned, or judged, how are you not judging the person? Or is forgiveness hardly biblical?
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“Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things.” – Philippians 4:8
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 12:53:19 PM
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I honestly don't get all of the marketing hype either. It's just disposable junk. There's a lot of issues about this as Christians we should be examining. Do kids need all that stuff?