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The Elijah List Discussion - 4/30/2008 12:47:00 PM
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Soxfan
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Interesting article about the dangerous Latter Rain/Kingdom Now group called "The Elijah List".
It documents the numerous FALSE prophecies that have come from this group just since 2004. Many of the usual Latter Rain suspects are mentioned (Wagner, Bickle, Clement, Cain, Joyner, Sorger, Jones, Engle, etc)
I know many of these false prophets believe that prophecy does not have to be 100% accurate. But, what does Scripture have to say about that?
Your thoughts on this group?
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RE: The Elijah List Discussion - 4/30/2008 1:38:15 PM
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lw9
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I wish I had time to go into detail, but I don't. Here's what can be found on the Elijah List:
- False prophets
- False apostles
- False teachers
- False signs, wonders, and miracles
- False theology
As Soxfan pointed out, they are Latter Rain followers, many being in the New Apostolic Reformation movement, which falls under Latter Rain.
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RE: The Elijah List Discussion - 4/30/2008 2:24:18 PM
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ORIGINAL: Soxfan
Interesting article about the dangerous Latter Rain/Kingdom Now group called "The Elijah List".
It documents the numerous FALSE prophecies that have come from this group just since 2004. Many of the usual Latter Rain suspects are mentioned (Wagner, Bickle, Clement, Cain, Joyner, Sorger, Jones, Engle, etc)
I know many of these false prophets believe that prophecy does not have to be 100% accurate. But, what does Scripture have to say about that?
Your thoughts on this group?
After just reading the list of goofballs you posted, I feel the need to go and do 35 hail mary's, and 22 stations of the Cross; and I am not even Catholic.
So I guess a thorough shower will have to do.
Thsnks
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RE: The Elijah List Discussion - 4/30/2008 2:46:27 PM
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rlj
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Your thoughts on this group?
What are your thoughts and why Soxfan? Have you been to the sight to form your own opinion of it?
If you want my thoughts I can give them to you but I won't cut and paste and use links from what someone else has said. ; )
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1 Thess 5:20 do not treat prophecies with contempt. 21 Test everything. Hold on to the good. (NIV)
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RE: The Elijah List Discussion - 4/30/2008 2:53:44 PM
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ORIGINAL: lw9
I wish I had time to go into detail, but I don't. Here's what can be found on the Elijah List:
- False prophets
- False apostles
- False teachers
- False signs, wonders, and miracles
- False theology
As Soxfan pointed out, they are Latter Rain followers, many being in the New Apostolic Reformation movement, which falls under Latter Rain.
A big 10-4 on everything you listed.
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RE: The Elijah List Discussion - 4/30/2008 3:47:29 PM
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wintery
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So many "words"--they seem to be at odds...could any be (yikes!)...false? Don't worry about any 'false prophecy' on the elijah list.
Why? Steve Schultz has heard from God--or so he says. "God said back to me: "It's true. My Prophets across the world HAVE entered into complete agreement."
Found on this page from October 29, 2007, Schultz's "revelation" continued with the resulting lesson: "This Prophecy that didn't quite fit was not and is not false prophecy (when it doesn't quite fit), but just slightly off--or as some say, "It was close, but no cigar"
What relief it must be that nothing is wrong when words are contradictory or fail.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!-the Wizard of Oz
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RE: The Elijah List Discussion - 4/30/2008 4:45:23 PM
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rlj
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What relief it must be that nothing is wrong when words are contradictory or fail.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!-the Wizard of Oz
That brought a chuckle! I missed that page that you linked Wintery when I checked that place out. There was some even "worse" stuff to on the page that you linked:
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Remember the prophet Agabus, by the way? He prophesied to Paul, and Paul then refused to take Agabus' counsel, even if it might be correct. The same is true today.
Agabus said Paul would be arrested. The fact that Paul was arrested and got sent to Rome to me was a fulfillment of one of Paul's biggest dreams and perhaps the biggest part of his ministry. I don't believe that Paul realized had he not appealed to Caesar he wouldn't have been placed under arrest- it certainly wasn't in the word from Agabus as I read it. I would hardly say that he ignored the advice of Agabus because I don't see where Agabus gave him any advice.
I've been to the Elijah list 2 or 3 times and I'm not impressed with it. There are things that are said that are just as off or worse than what Wintery linked. I did spend some time twice going over what is posted there and probably found a diamond or two in the rough. It was like searching through a dump meticulously in the hope one could find some jewelry or something that got inadvertantly thrown away. Sure I "may" have found a couple of tidbits but I'm not exactly convinced it was worth the effort.
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RE: The Elijah List Discussion - 5/1/2008 8:04:06 AM
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry:
I triple dog dare you to laugh or you might find yourself looking down the wrong end of Benny Hinn's Holy Ghost carbine action two-hundred shot range model air rifle.
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RE: The Elijah List Discussion - 5/1/2008 12:09:51 PM
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Your thoughts on this group?
What are your thoughts and why Soxfan? Have you been to the sight to form your own opinion of it?
If you want my thoughts I can give them to you but I won't cut and paste and use links from what someone else has said. ; )
I have first hand exposure to this group.
About 6 years ago, some good friends of ours decided to start their own church. One of these friends was an AoG pastor. He tried to bring some of the Brownsville antics as well as Latter Rain theology into his church and was quickly run out. As a result, they began their own church and put themselves under the authority of some self-proclaimed "Apostle". This Apostle was affiliated with C Peter Wagner's heretical New Apostolic Reformation movement.
After many invites, my wife and I decided to go to one of their "services". It didn't take long for us to realize that things weren't right. It was our first exposure to the "Five-Fold"/Latter Rain/Kingdom Now/Signs and Wonders movements as well as the "Elijah List".
Rather than just stop coming, the Lord led us to meet with them and explain our differences with their theology. Our intent was to come in love, agree to disagree, and remain friends. They had different plans. We were called Jezebel spirits and were given the "If you're not with us, your against us" line.
I've seen what the Latter Rain movement has done to these dear friends.
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RE: The Elijah List Discussion - 5/1/2008 12:11:27 PM
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Soxfan
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ORIGINAL: rlj
Your thoughts on this group?
What are your thoughts and why Soxfan? Have you been to the sight to form your own opinion of it?
If you want my thoughts I can give them to you but I won't cut and paste and use links from what someone else has said. ; )
I have first hand exposure to this group.
About 6 years ago, some good friends of ours decided to start their own church. One of these friends was an AoG pastor. He tried to bring some of the Brownsville antics as well as Latter Rain theology into his church and was quickly run out. As a result, they began their own church and put themselves under the authority of some self-proclaimed "Apostle". This Apostle was affiliated with C Peter Wagner's heretical New Apostolic Reformation movement.
After many invites, my wife and I decided to go to one of their "services". It didn't take long for us to realize that things weren't right. It was our first exposure to the "Five-Fold"/Latter Rain/Kingdom Now/Signs and Wonders movements as well as the "Elijah List".
Rather than just stop coming, the Lord led us to meet with them and explain our differences with their theology. Our intent was to come in love, agree to disagree, and remain friends. They had different plans. We were called Jezebel spirits and were given the "If you're not with us, your against us" line.
My wife, who has a remarkable gifting in prayer, was told that she could not exercise this spiritual gift unles one of their apostles "imparted" it to her.
I've seen what the Latter Rain movement has done to these dear friends.
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"This would be the first step in apostasy; men first forget the true, and then adore the false.".......C.H. Spurgeon
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RE: The Elijah List Discussion - 5/1/2008 2:35:01 PM
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rlj
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Soxfan, that is truly sad. I don't have any other comment on it now.
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RE: The Elijah List Discussion - 5/1/2008 2:38:15 PM
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earthless
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Soxfan,
Thank you for sharing - my wife and I have lost a lot of friends and family contact because of our rejection of these movements.
I even had a certain Apostle tell his church that I was demon possessed and would suffer from cancer in the following year (this was six years ago).
Cult starts to come to mind with a lot of these folk.
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RE: The Elijah List Discussion - 5/1/2008 3:25:27 PM
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Once people are hooked on the juice(Elijah List words), it can have a controlling effect on their lives and minds that reminds me of horoscopes.
You've said it!
I know a couple of people that go around declaring things like "fire holy ghost", "electric baptism", and "signs, miracles, wonders, manifestations of Yahweh" all into my life. In fact, it's pretty much impossible to have a conversation with them at all, because every single thing they say is about "fire" and such.
One kid I am aware of will sit at lunch and just repeat "fire of Yahweh. holy ghost fire" over and over.
Creepy. . .
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RE: The Elijah List Discussion - 5/1/2008 3:35:33 PM
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earthless
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Creepy indeed.
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RE: The Elijah List Discussion - 5/1/2008 4:02:16 PM
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Yes.
I'm afraid that is how these people will turn out. . .
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RE: The Elijah List Discussion - 5/1/2008 4:06:54 PM
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Lapidoth
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When you start your day with 2 to 3 hours of real Bible study,
it's hard to watch or listen to any of these guys even for laughs.
I just want to throw up when I hear many of them.
And I used to follow some of them.
what a difference the WORD makes.
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RE: The Elijah List Discussion - 5/1/2008 6:27:40 PM
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rlj
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I know a couple of people that go around declaring things like "fire holy ghost", "electric baptism", and "signs, miracles, wonders, manifestations of Yahweh" all into my life. In fact, it's pretty much impossible to have a conversation with them at all, because every single thing they say is about "fire" and such.
The only one I picked up was "Holy Ghost <fill in the blank>" and that was only because of that demon possessed Earthless. ; )
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RE: The Elijah List Discussion - 5/1/2008 10:06:35 PM
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Ask of Me for this nation and I'll give you what you need so there will be an economic revival," says the Lord. "Ask of Me, and I'll give it to you. Ask of Me, ask of Me!"
how does he balance this with:
Hab 3:17 - 19 (ESV) 17 Though the fig tree should not blossom, nor fruit be on the vines, the produce of the olive fail and the fields yield no food, the flock be cut off from the fold and there be no herd in the stalls, 18 yet I will rejoice in the Lord; I will take joy in the God of my salvation. 19 God, the Lord, is my strength; he makes my feet like the deer’s; he makes me tread on my high places. To the choirmaster: with stringed£ instruments.
I guess old Hab didn't have enough faith to claim his miracle or it was blocked due to his negative confession.
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RE: The Elijah List Discussion - 5/1/2008 11:27:43 PM
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Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter. 17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king. 18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
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RE: The Elijah List Discussion - 5/2/2008 12:01:25 PM
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wintery
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In the interest of getting the full range of flavor, this link should give you an idea of what kind of event the Elijah List sponsors. (some women from nw AL on this list-one I worked with for years)
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