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RE: Global warming- do you know the truth? - 5/7/2008 10:50:32 AM
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freakofnature
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They do not refute a consensus about the reality of global warming or its cause.
Well then.. that is not a consesus then.. is it!
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No, I am right. You have utterly failed to dismantle the facts as I have interpreted them.
"Interpreted" being the word of the day. Again, I am not reading the entire set of post on this matter in this forum, maybe you have somewhere stated how you come to interpret these statistics, maybe you are a biologist, ecologist or otherwise in a field of the sciences?
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You are not even considering what I am saying.
Nor you I... so again where do we go from here? Either I follow you and fight to limit progress, stiffle growth, demand that capitalism be dismantled and vote those into office who choose to bring socialism, fascism and communism to our country. ORRRRR... I choose to wait it out, just like we did when in the 70's these same scientist were screaming that the earth is getting colder and we need to embrace for another Ice age. I again have never disagreed that the earth may be warming, but it is the how and why that we disagree on. My INTERPRETATION of all of the facts are that there is not much you and I can do. And I think I have proven your facts to be inconclusive at best. The argument about Hurricanes and temperatures being record numbers. That is simply false. not true and is part of the propaganda for the global warming alarmists. If you feel I am keeping my head in the sand so be it. You and I will disagree, and as long as the citizens and those living on this earth don't agree, there will not be a consensus and you will have a large fight on your hand if you want to bring that kind of fascism on me and my family.
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RE: Global warming- do you know the truth? - 5/7/2008 10:50:35 AM
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So when did trees stop taking up CO2
When they got cut down and/or burned. How many times do I have to spell it out for you?:
d-e-f-o-r-e-s-t-a-t-i-o-n: worldwide, man-made phenomenon, especially in South America, Central America, Africa, and Southeast Asia wherein millions of acres of forest are leveled and/or burned daily to convert to pasture land, farm land, or to accomodate urban/industrial growth.
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Let's take a look at some quotes from some evironmentals and see true agenda of global warming
Let's . . .
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I get the impression that instead of going out to shoot birds, I should go out and shoot the kids who shoot the birds.
Greenpeace co-founder
Paul Watson
Access to Energy
Vol. 10.4
12/82
You should quote-mine more carefully. This one does not address global warming at all.
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The stark reality is that there are too many of us, And we consume way too much. Especially here at home...The solutions are not secret; control population , recycle, reduce consumption
Matt Lauer
MSNBC
Countdown to Doomsday
6/06
This is absolutely correct. I have been saying this all along.
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Man is bad
Man is overpopulous.
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Capitalism is bad
Only to the degree that it involves unbridled industrial waste.
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Earth is to be worshiped above God
Is survival and personal responsibility the same as worship? Get real.
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I restated StephK's post because it seemed you didn't understand it
I understood, but the logic of it was faulty.
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What I'm saying, plainly, is that over the years there have been reliable sources (in my estimation) stating both sides of this argument: humans cause global warming v. no they don't.
. . . But few that deny global warming entirely, like so many right wingers do.
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What I'm saying, plainly, is that I used to worry about climate change and now I don't.
Well, fine. It won't do any good to lose sleep over it.
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What I'm saying, plainly, is that I don't believe anything we do at this point is going to make a bit of difference.
This is where I disagree. We could make a heck of a difference if we wanted to; we (the whole world) just don't want to because we let abject consumerism and greed determine our course.
Since you seem to of the opinion that the biggest problem is man-caused then I would suggest that you do your part to help solve the problem and stop emitting CO2 into the atmosphere! Oh wait.....that's rather extreme isn't it??? What we need to do is control the population (code words for abortion, euthanasia and a host of other "solutions" [see Adolph Hitler for more detail]) then we can reduce humanity's effect on the planet!!!
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RE: Global warming- do you know the truth? - 5/7/2008 4:18:21 PM
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Well then.. that is not a consesus then.. is it!
No two experts disagree that global warming is happening and that it is caused by excess CO2 in the atmosphere. That is a consensus.
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maybe you are a biologist, ecologist or otherwise in a field of the sciences?
Nope. And you . . . ?
Not that it's relevant. I'm not an author, but I can still read and write. Likewise, it doesn't take an expert to hear what the experts are saying.
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Nor you I
I have considered what all the naysayers have said. They're wrong. I couldn't come to that conclusion without considering the implications, now could I.
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Either I follow you and fight to limit progress, stiffle growth, demand that capitalism be dismantled and vote those into office who choose to bring socialism, fascism and communism to our country.
Wrong. I have suggested none of these straw men.
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I again have never disagreed that the earth may be warming, but it is the how and why that we disagree on.
Okay, I can live with that.
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If you feel I am keeping my head in the sand so be it.
Okay. Have a nice day.
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RE: Global warming- do you know the truth? - 5/7/2008 4:26:51 PM
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Okay. Have a nice day.
Probably the most sincere, thought provoking truthful statement made yet today. You, also, have a nice day.
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RE: Global warming- do you know the truth? - 5/7/2008 8:51:40 PM
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Wow, another quote from the work safety engineer that gives out 10-year old global warming tests on his website...mmmmm...gotta love that new technology and data!
Peace and God bless,
Sorry. But thanks for playing ad homminem attack!
Christopher R. Scotese, Associate Professor, Ph.D., University of Chicago, Associate Professor, plate tectonics, paleogeography
1985. Research interests include plate tectonics, paleogeography, and paleoclimatology. The PALEOMAP Project, which produces lithologic maps of the past configuration of the continents and ocean basins, is the primary focus of this research.
I thought you were talking about the global warming test. I mean, this all relates back to global warming, correct? Is it or is it not happening due to humans, correct? In any event, on the main site, http://www.geocraft.com, it states:
"THIS SITE BY:
Monte Hieb-- 1996"
Monte Hieb is a chief engineer for mining safety in Virginia.
And, btw, the global warming 'test your knowledge' site, states this:
"Take the
Global Warming Test
This site last updated October 4, 1998 "
Perhaps you read 10 year old data vs getting the latest data, but I don't.
Peace and God bless,
So there is data that refutes the data of 100's of millions of years ago that has come about in the past 10-15 years? My point was in refuting that at no time in the history of the earth that CO2 levels were as high as today. So unless you can refute the data from the paleozoic era with "more current" data it still stands!
Hey, we haven't been to the moon in a long time maybe all the data we brought back from there is wrong too! I mean that data is more than 30 years old!
I think the point that was being made, perhaps, is that CO2 levels are increasing at an alarming rate - in fact they are at their highest in recorded history:
"Carbon dioxide at record high, stoking warming-WMO
Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:13am EST Email | Print | Share| Reprints | Single Page| Recommend (3) [-] Text [+]
OSLO, Nov 23 (Reuters) - Levels of carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas emitted by burning fossil fuels, hit a record high in the atmosphere in 2006, accelerating global warming, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) said on Friday..."
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL23258001
Irregardless, what is your point, then?
The UN, the IPCC, our own government EPA, and even the Bush Admin have conceded that global warming is here, and that humans are at least in part to blame. Are you refuting this?
If so, what is the big deal about curbing our dependence on oil; what is the big deal of wanting to get rid of toxic air that has been linked to increased asthma incidence, cancer and reproductive problems?
Peace and God bless,
PS, BTW, questioning the validity of a source is not an 'ad homminem' attack.
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RE: Global warming- do you know the truth? - 5/7/2008 9:02:17 PM
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Lizahana
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Okay. Have a nice day.
Probably the most sincere, thought provoking truthful statement made yet today. You, also, have a nice day.
How sweet.
Now how about answering my post #133?
Thank you in advance, Peace and God bless,
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RE: Global warming- do you know the truth? - 5/7/2008 9:43:49 PM
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Okay. Have a nice day.
Probably the most sincere, thought provoking truthful statement made yet today. You, also, have a nice day.
How sweet.
Now how about answering my post #133?
Thank you in advance, Peace and God bless,
There was no question in there. I started to read it to find a question but... just got to blah blah blah there at the end. The study sited was not 10 years old... the graph reflects the last 6 mos, in fact the date at the top of the page says "may 4, 2008"... in case you missed it!!! That really high line there at the end, the "spike" with the red dot next to it, this graph represents 2008 sea ice is at a 30 year high...OH!!! Oh I know, a short term trend doesn't accurately reflect long term BLAH BLAH YADA YADA...
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On a global basis, world sea ice in April 2008 reached levels that were “unprecedented” for the month of April in over 25 years. Levels are the third highest third highest (for April) since the commencement of records in 1979, exceeded only by levels in 1979 and 1982. This continues a pattern established earlier in 2008, as global sea ice in March 2008 was also the third highest March on record, while January 2008 sea ice was the second highest January on record. It was also the second highest single month in the past 20 years (second only to Sept 1996).
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RE: Global warming- do you know the truth? - 5/7/2008 9:47:54 PM
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Okay. Have a nice day.
Probably the most sincere, thought provoking truthful statement made yet today. You, also, have a nice day.
How sweet.
Now how about answering my post #133?
Thank you in advance, Peace and God bless,
There was no question in there. I started to read it to find a question but... just got to blah blah blah there at the end. The study sited was not 10 years old... the graph reflects the last 6 mos, in fact the date at the top of the page says "may 4, 2008"... in case you missed it!!! That really high line there at the end, the "spike" with the red dot next to it, this graph represents 2008 sea ice is at a 30 year high...OH!!! Oh I know, a short term trend doesn't accurately reflect long term BLAH BLAH YADA YADA...
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On a global basis, world sea ice in April 2008 reached levels that were “unprecedented” for the month of April in over 25 years. Levels are the third highest third highest (for April) since the commencement of records in 1979, exceeded only by levels in 1979 and 1982. This continues a pattern established earlier in 2008, as global sea ice in March 2008 was also the third highest March on record, while January 2008 sea ice was the second highest January on record. It was also the second highest single month in the past 20 years (second only to Sept 1996).
Let's cut to the chase here, freakofnature.
Are you refuting the data of the UN, the IPCC, NOAA, and even the fact that our own government EPA and the Bush admin - they ALL concede that global warming is here, and that humans play a part - are you refuting this? I would be happy to show you THEIR posts, which are by no means, obscure internet posts...
If you don't answer this as a yes or no, I will assume that you are NOT refuting the aforementioned.
Peace and God bless,
BTW, here's a hint: don't post from obscure internet sites that have no credibility - like the one you posted from. For every one you post from, I can post another. And please answer, by answering from this post directly - I don't think that's too much to ask for.
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RE: Global warming- do you know the truth? - 5/7/2008 10:10:49 PM
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Let’s take a trip in Sherman T. Peabody’s way back-machine and take a look at just a few of the gloom and doom prophecies of yesterday and see how “spot on” they where
Hundreds of millions of people will son perish in smog disasters in New York and Los Angeles, ..the oceans will die of DDT poisoning by 1979, the US life expectancy will drop to 42 by 1980 due to cancer epidemics.
Paul Erhlich
Ramparts
1969
The threat of a new ice age must now stand along side nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale misery and death for mankind
Nigel Calder
International Wildlife
6/75
The rapid cooling of the Earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in air pollution associated with industrialization, mechanization, urbanization, and exploding population,
Reid Bryson
Readings Toward a Rational Strategy for Man
1971
The advent of the new ice age, scientists say appears to be guaranteed. The devastation will be astonishing.
Greg Esterbrook
The return of the glaciers
Newsweek
11/23/92
Since these experts were so accurate when they made their predictions, how can we expect today’s gloom and doomers to be “spot on in their current ones.” Why has England’s Royal Academy, threatened to expel any scientist that might contradict the current hysteria? In terms of Bush agreeing, he is just another liberal pretending to be a conservative.
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RE: Global warming- do you know the truth? - 5/7/2008 10:25:00 PM
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http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=11548
Where's that consensus???? How many scientist signed that petition
This here has just a couple of nice quotes for you to review:
http://windfarms.wordpress.com/2008/03/06/global-warming-scam-of-the-century/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1055542/posts
I don't have all night here people, but because I love your efforts, I'll keep it up.
http://earthpro.info/global-warming-is-a-total-scam
http://www.globalclimatescam.com/documents/FiveFacts.pdf
http://leatherheadblog.com/2008/04/11/the-great-global-warming-scam-or-why-the-ipcc-screwed-up/
We could be here a while... Shall I go on?
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=865dbe39-802a-23ad-4949-ee9098538277
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/550481/the-mammoth-global-warming-scam.thtml
I am not a scientist, fact is I am in real estate in South Florida. But I think I see a rat here.
It is also late and I am tired and still tryin' to watch the game. Good night and good luck
Are you joking?! You are quoting from blogs! And here's another hint - don't like totally quote from, like, you know, like blogs that have the word, 'total' in them - like, do you totally get what I'm sayin' - Ha! I mean, do really expect anyone to take those types of websites seriously?
I'll be back later to post from sites like the UN, the IPCC, the NOAA and the EPA...
Ciao, see you later, Peace and God bless,
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RE: Global warming- do you know the truth? - 5/7/2008 10:28:53 PM
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You are quoting from blogs
These aren't blogs but scientific reports. Your mind is so closed it is pathetic! Explains the liberal teaching in our schools.
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RE: Global warming- do you know the truth? - 5/7/2008 10:30:11 PM
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I'll be back later to post from sites like the UN, the IPCC, the NOAA and the EPA...
And these are totally unbiased! Sure. and you don't have the intellectual honesty to review the links he provided.
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RE: Global warming- do you know the truth? - 5/7/2008 10:33:19 PM
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Lizahana
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I'll be back later to post from sites like the UN, the IPCC, the NOAA and the EPA...
And these are totally unbiased! Sure.
You DO know what they stand for, and that the are governmental, international panels full of scientists and expertise on the subject, correct?
Peace and God bless,
PS BTW, thank you very little on speaking about my mind...I don't mind ;)
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RE: Global warming- do you know the truth? - 5/7/2008 10:38:26 PM
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You DO know what they stand for, and that the are governmental, international panels full of scientists and expertise on the subject, correct?
I know full well what they stand for:
man is good
the earth is to be worshiped above all
government is good and all knowing
business is bad
capitalism is bad
individualism is bad
urbanism is bad
collectivism is good
internal combustion engine is bad
free thinking is bad, everyone must agree with us
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RE: Global warming- do you know the truth? - 5/8/2008 1:37:39 AM
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ORIGINAL: freakofnature
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=11548
Where's that consensus???? How many scientist signed that petition
This here has just a couple of nice quotes for you to review:
http://windfarms.wordpress.com/2008/03/06/global-warming-scam-of-the-century/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1055542/posts
I don't have all night here people, but because I love your efforts, I'll keep it up.
http://earthpro.info/global-warming-is-a-total-scam
http://www.globalclimatescam.com/documents/FiveFacts.pdf
http://leatherheadblog.com/2008/04/11/the-great-global-warming-scam-or-why-the-ipcc-screwed-up/
We could be here a while... Shall I go on?
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=865dbe39-802a-23ad-4949-ee9098538277
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/550481/the-mammoth-global-warming-scam.thtml
http://earthpro.info/ is a blog.
I am not a scientist, fact is I am in real estate in South Florida. But I think I see a rat here.
It is also late and I am tired and still tryin' to watch the game. Good night and good luck
heartland.org recieves funding from Exxon Mobile, from the House Subcommitte on Science and Technology Investigations and Oversight:
"From Dr James McCarthy, the Alexander Agassiz Professor of
Biological Oceanography at Harvard University. From 1986 to 1993, he served as chair of
the international committee that establishes research priorities and oversees
implementation of the International Geosphere—Biosphere Program. From 1997 to
2001, he co-chaired Working Group II of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC), which had responsibilities for assessing impacts of and vulnerabilities to global
climate change for the Third IPCC Assessment. He is President-elect of the American
Association for the Advancement of Science, and member of the Board of Union of
Concerned Scientists.
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Specifically, the UCS report shows that between 1998 and 2005, Exxon-Mobil funneled
close to $16 million to a network of 43 ideological and advocacy groups that seek to
manufacture uncertainty about the strong scientific consensus on global warming. These
groups promote spokespeople who misrepresent peer-reviewed scientific findings or
cherry-pick facts in an attempt to mislead the media and public into thinking there is
vigorous debate in the mainstream scientific community about climate change. Among
the ExxonMobil-funded groups are established conservative and anti-regulation think
tanks and organizations such as the American Enterprise Institute. There are also a
myriad of smaller, lesser known groups, including the Heartland Institute ($560,000), the
Annapolis Center for Science Based Public Policy ($763,500), and Frontiers of Freedom
($1,000,200)...."
http://gop.science.house.gov/hearings/oversight07/March%2028/McCarthy.pdf
http://windfarms.wordpress.com/ is a blog.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1055542/posts - is precisely what it says - it's a collection of posts from anyone, you, me - nothing empirical there; and on top of this, the links do not work.
http://earthpro.info/ is a blog - anyone can see this (and you do realize, anyone can have a blog).
globalclimatescam is funded by http://www.minnesotamajority.org/, a political affiliation that asks for donations.
http://leatherheadblog.com/about-me/ is a blatant blog, wherein the author states, "Work: HR Director in UK & Middle East for US multinational and now in second career as a psychometrician and leadership coach."
Melanie Phillips is a columnist.
Here's some food for thought - please note the articles reference GOVERNMENT studies from around the WORLD:
"Scientists from 113 countries issued a landmark report Friday saying they have little doubt global warming is caused by man, and predicting that hotter temperatures and rises in sea level will "continue for centuries" no matter how much humans control their pollution."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,249659,00.html
"U.N. Secretary General Calls Global Warming a Priority
By Colum Lynch
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, March 2, 2007; Page A14
UNITED NATIONS, March 1 -- U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki Moon argued Thursday that global warming poses as great a threat to the world as modern warfare, and he vowed to make reduction of greenhouse gases one of his tenure's top priorities.
Global warming is destroying species, raising sea levels and threatening millions of poor people, the United Nations' top scientific panel will say today in a report that U.N. officials hope will help mobilize the world into taking tougher actions on climate change. .."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/01/AR2007030101484.html
"U.N. Global Warming Report Sternly Warns Against Inaction
By Doug Struck
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, November 17, 2007; Page A03
Global warming is destroying species, raising sea levels and threatening millions of poor people, the United Nations' top scientific panel will say today in a report that U.N. officials hope will help mobilize the world into taking tougher actions on climate change. ..."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/01/AR2007030101484.html
"On Feb. 2, 2007, the United Nations scientific panel studying climate change declared that the evidence of a warming trend is "unequivocal," and that human activity has "very likely" been the driving force in that change over the last 50 years. The last report by the group, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, in 2001, had found that humanity had "likely" played a role..."
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/science/topics/globalwarming/index.html#
".N. panel claims manmade global warming certain
Published May 8, 2008
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)—The most-often quoted authority on global climate change is the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a scientific group established in 1988 by the United Nations to evaluate the risk of human-induced climate change. It was the IPCC that shared the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore, former vice president of the United States. ..."
http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/8806.article
This study should speak for itself:
http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf
"Recent Climate Change
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Product 1.3 - Re-analyses of historical climate data for key atmospheric features. Implications for attribution of causes of observed change
Product 3.3 - Climate Extremes: Analysis of the Observed Changes and Variations and Prospects for the Future
Since the Industrial Revolution (around 1750), human activities have substantially added to the amount of heat-trapping greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. The burning of fossil fuels and biomass (living matter such as vegetation) has also resulted in emissions of aerosols that absorb and emit heat, and reflect light..."
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/recentcc.html
"State of Knowledge
As with any field of scientific study, there are uncertainties associated with the science of climate change. This does not imply that scientists do not have confidence in many aspects of climate science. Some aspects of the science are known with virtual certainty1, because they are based on well-known physical laws and documented trends. Current understanding of many other aspects of climate change ranges from “very likely” to “uncertain.”
What's Known
Scientists know with virtual certainty that:
Human activities are changing the composition of Earth's atmosphere. Increasing levels of greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere since pre-industrial times are well-documented and understood.
The atmospheric buildup of CO2 and other greenhouse gases is largely the result of human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels.
An “unequivocal” warming trend of about 1.0 to 1.7°F occurred from 1906-2005. Warming occurred in both the Northern and Southern Hemispheres, and over the oceans (IPCC, 2007).
The major greenhouse gases emitted by human activities remain in the atmosphere for periods ranging from decades to centuries. It is therefore virtually certain that atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases will continue to rise over the next few decades.
Increasing greenhouse gas concentrations tend to warm the planet.
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What's Very Likely?
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has stated "Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations" (IPCC, 2007). In short, a growing number of scientific analyses indicate, but cannot prove, that rising levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are contributing to climate change (as theory predicts). In the coming decades, scientists anticipate that as atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases continue to rise, average global temperatures and sea levels will continue to rise as a result and precipitation patterns will change. "
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/stateofknowledge.html
From the NOAA:
"The IPCC Special Report on Emission Scenarios determines the range of future possible greenhouse gas concentrations (and other forcings) based on considerations such as population growth, economic growth, energy efficiency and a host of other factors. This leads a wide range of possible forcing scenarios, and consequently a wide range of possible future climates.
According to the range of possible forcing scenarios, and taking into account uncertainty in climate model performance, the IPCC projects a best estimate of global temperature increase of 1.8 - 4.0°C with a possible range of 1.1 - 6.4°C by 2100, depending on which emissions scenario is used. However, this global average will integrate widely varying regional responses, such as the likelihood that land areas will warm much faster than ocean temperatures, particularly those land areas in northern high latitudes (and mostly in the cold season). Additionally, it is very likely that heat waves and other hot extremes will increase."
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html#q11
"Causes of global warming
Climatologists (scientists who study climate) have analyzed the global warming that has occurred since the late 1800's. A majority of climatologists have concluded that human activities are responsible for most of the warming. Human activities contribute to global warming by enhancing Earth's natural greenhouse effect. The greenhouse effect warms Earth's surface through a complex process involving sunlight, gases, and particles in the atmosphere. Gases that trap heat in the atmosphere are known as greenhouse gases.
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Agreement on global warming
Delegates from more than 160 countries met in Kyoto, Japan, in 1997 to draft the agreement that became known as the Kyoto Protocol. That agreement calls for decreases in the emissions of greenhouse gases.:
http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/global_warming_worldbook.html
"NASA and Global Warming
Aired: Friday, February 03, 2006 10-11AM ET
By host Tom Ashbrook:
The lead story on page one of the New York Times last Sunday read: top NASA climate scientist says the Bush administration is trying to stop him from speaking out on global warming.
The scientist is James E. Hansen - NASA's number one climate watcher, who says he's been muzzled on a dire threat facing the planet. The media James Hansen was trying to talk to? Well, yes, it was NPR, as the Times reported, but more specifically, it was us -- On Point."
http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2006/02/20060203_a_main.asp
And in fact, 18 states are sueing the EPA for failure to comply with air regulations that prevent global warming:
"BOSTON - A coalition of states on Wednesday sued the Bush administration, saying it has failed to comply with a Supreme Court ruling that opened the door for regulating the greenhouse gases tied to global warming.
The Supreme Court said in April 2007 that carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels is a pollutant subject to the Clean Air Act. The court directed the EPA to determine if carbon dioxide emissions, linked to global warming, endanger public health and welfare.
If that is the case, the court said, the EPA must regulate the emissions.
The 18 states, two cities and 11 environmental groups said in a court filing Wednesday that the EPA has not issued a decision on regulation. Their court filing seeks to compel the EPA to act within 60 days.
“The EPA’s failure to act in the face of these incontestable dangers is a shameful dereliction of duty,” said Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley..."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23919234/
Please DO let me know if you'd like more posts from scientists, and not blogs.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Global warming- do you know the truth? - 5/8/2008 1:39:26 AM
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You DO know what they stand for, and that the are governmental, international panels full of scientists and expertise on the subject, correct?
I know full well what they stand for:
man is good
the earth is to be worshiped above all
government is good and all knowing
business is bad
capitalism is bad
individualism is bad
urbanism is bad
collectivism is good
internal combustion engine is bad
free thinking is bad, everyone must agree with us
Really?! I worship God, not the earth. I like capitalism. I definitely like individualism, because, well, I definitely feel unique on this forum...Mmmm...you know, a lot of us liberals live in cities - so ,psssst, we probably like urbanism (just a hint)...I drive a car so I like internal combustion - I'd like an alternative to toxic gas fumes, that's all - is that too much to ask for?...Oh, and I'm definitely a free thinker - just ask anyone here ;) Nice try though :)
...but do go on telling yourself that if you wish...
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Global warming- do you know the truth? - 5/8/2008 3:32:12 AM
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