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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/2/2008 9:09:54 AM
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Opening up my Inbox this morning and I came across these gems:
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i am in australia and am seeing people stirred up and out doing the things that god commanded us to do---with tremendous results-- for the kingdom of god,and mainly because todd has encouraged them to do so. however i see the same old people that knock (most) of gods kids when revival comes---but they seem to be out there, not doing anything!!!! apart from reading or watching ----and believing anything thats anti---------------get off your critical bums shut your big mouths and go out and save and heal the sick yourselves!!!
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Leave Todd alone. I have been watching him on television and I tell you the only thing I have seen him do is preach, lead people to Jesus and help get people healed. What is wrong with that? What have you done for Jesus lately?
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It seems to me you are trying to convince yourself as to what is the truth and no one else, you build up straw arguments, and then you reply to your own arguments.
Have you ever been to a Holy sprit led Pentacostal worship service yourself yet?
Is 45:5 I am the Lord, and there is no one else; there is no God besides Me. I will gird {and} arm you, though you have not known Me,
The people who also tell us to use only the Bible often still lie further to us.. they ask us also to use men’s commentaries, instead of the Holy spirit to next interpret the Bible.
(Eph 4:18 KJV) Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
When you talk about what the scriptures say you honestly should mean how you interpret what the scripture says.. cause too many of us read different things out of the same scriptures as we all do know firstly..
(Jer 32:27 KJV) Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?
(Neh 8:10 KJV) Then he said unto them, Go your way, eat the fat, and drink the sweet, and send portions unto them for whom nothing is prepared: for this day is holy unto our Lord: neither be ye sorry; for the joy of the LORD is your strength.
(Job 20:5 KJV) That the triumphing of the wicked is short, and the joy of the hypocrite but for a moment?
Well, God bless you too! 
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/2/2008 9:18:53 AM
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ORIGINAL: Stephanos
FACT every time that Jesus raised someone from the dead (and note that in the bible only JESUS rose people from the dead, the apostles and diciples did/could not), there were dozens of eye witnesses to the fact that A) a person died, and B) it was Christ Jesus who performed the miracles. If you say a guy found another dead guy, prayed, and the dead guy was alive. If there was no one else who saw that, it does NOT line up with scripture in that if it was a miracle of God, and ALL miracles are for the GLORY of God, then more people would have saw this event take place. There WOULD be medical evidence in todays world.
Remember, if it does not match with scripture then it is NOT of God. And yes, Satan CAN perform miracles to deceive the world, but remember his will not line up with God's word.
Actually, Stephanos, your post shows an ignorance of God's Word. Here are some facts - from the Scriptures!
FACT - Jesus was not the only person in the Bible who raised people from the dead.
1. He commissioned His disciples to go and do the same things He did:
"And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease... And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
2. Peter raised a woman named Tabitha from the dead. (see Acts 9:36-43).
3. Paul raised a boy named Eutychus from the dead. (see Acts 20:7-12).
4. Some people believe Paul was raised from the dead. (see Acts 14:19-20). I realize this one is debatable, but I throw it in for your consideration...
FACT - People were raised from the dead even in the Old Testament.
1. Elijah raised a boy from the dead. (see 1 Kings 17:17-24)
2. Elisha raised a boy from the dead. (see 2 Kings 4:18-37).
Let's let all that we believe be based on God's holy, infallible Word, and not on our denominational doctrines or the traditions of men!!
Stephanos is correct it is only One of the three God head. Which can raise any one from the dead. It wasn't Peter or Paul and even Elijah that did it But God through them that this had it happen.
One thing you can notice that this is a wrong spirit in this. I have notice it's a lot it about Todd and Todd alone in these endevors.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/2/2008 1:51:06 PM
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I recently dusted of my copies of Alarma Chronicles by Daniel Amos. I find the albums very prophetic.
Here is just one lyric:
Angels Tuck You In
from the album "Doppelgänger"
Words and Music by Terry Taylor
©1983 Twitchen Vibes/ Paragon Music Corp. ASCAP
You hold an image, it provides a common thread
No sense of menace, no feeling of dread
You never worry your pretty little head and
Angels tuck you in tonight
Angels tuck you in tonight
Angels tuck you in and greet you in the morning light
This cartoon world you've created, it's like Disneyland
Get out you golden ticket
The one they give you when you're born again
A guardian personage is watching over you
Nothing uncomfortable can ever get through
There is no suffering for the chosen few...
You've been a wide-eyed innocent
Come to the garden, come to the hill
Come to the tree, come to the kill
Won't break your bones, but it can break your will
You're too afraid of hurting
Been playing cover-up
Expose yourself to dying
And in this real world, it is your calling
You hold an image, it provides a common thread
No sense of menace, no feeling of dread
You never worry your pretty little head and
Angels tuck you in tonight
Angels tuck you in tonight
Angels tuck you in and greet you in the morning light
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/2/2008 2:10:29 PM
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its not just wanted to liven the place up todd bentley is as false as they come
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/2/2008 10:09:18 PM
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My boss, is going to leave to go and see him in Texas tommorow. What do you say?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/3/2008 8:27:23 AM
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That is why this is so sad. The people who go to these things do indeed love the Lord. They are not looking closely at what is truly going on BEFORE they invest time, travel, and money into Bentley and others of this ilk.
Look through the peephole BEFORE you open the door.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/3/2008 11:40:40 AM
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Here are some of Stephen Strader's comments after the "apostolic alignment"
It is my opinion that the RESTORATION of the Five Fold Ministry giftings was COMPLETED by the action of the APOSTLES taking their place in such a PUBLIC display.
Second, the phrase, "No longer, no longer, no longer will men call unclean what I have called clean.'" I believe that a significant WARNING to the Body of Christ was delivered and that we should all be careful in declaring works of the Holy Spirit to be of the devil.
I also believe that phrase included an antidote for the poison that has already been released, and a declaration to stop any further poison being released into the Body of Christ.
from Stephen Strader's Ignited Events update
"...an antidote for the poison...." Well I guess that's it. All criticism has to stop because...somebody prophesied against it!
Circus Fraudius is trying to scare anyone who might be thinking that something could be wrong with Lakeland and Bentley. There's an alignment going on all right.
For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themseves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
(2 Corinthians 10:12)
"Hey we're all on the same page on Lakeland so everything must be cool, right?!" No, that's not our standard.
Rather than finding myself frightened for criticism of the Lakeland F.H.O., I find myself wondering what brought out the whole cast of characters calling themselves apostles (but whom "the usual suspects" fits better which someone already pointed out), and I thought of this:
And Jehu sent through all Israel: and all the worshipers of Baal came, so that there was not a man left that came not. And they came into the house of Baal; and the house of Baal was full from one end to another.
(2 Kings 10:21)
If you're not familiar with the story see 2 Kings 10:18-28.
It is honoring to God to point out departures from Scripture, the adoption of historical heresies, and the obvious shame to God's name from the physical harm being done in His name, and the emotional harm of pronouncing believers to be healed when they are not.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/3/2008 11:57:09 AM
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Lamentations 2:14
"Your seers prophesied to you delusion and folly.
They did not expose your iniquity so as to restore
your fortunes, but prophesied to you oracles of
delusion and deception."
Ecclesiastes 1:10-11
10. "Sometimes there is a phenomenon of which they
say, "Look, this one is new!" ---- it occurred long since,
in ages that went by before us."
11. "The earlier ones are not remembered; so too those
that will occur later will no more be remembered than
those that will occur at the very end."
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....................
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/3/2008 12:01:00 PM
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Part of a newsletter I just received from Sid Roth:
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Historically, revivals are controversial. The Florida Outpouring with Todd Bentley is no exception. But this I know, I have never in my life seen so many people receive verified miracles. I have never seen so many people get so hungry for God. And every night, many are saved.
I invite you to watch part one of my TV interview with Todd. Included is a mini interview with Kelsey Hayes, a girl who was healed of chronic Hepatitis C at one of Todd's meetings.
Todd is not a perfect vessel -- none of us is. But the fruit can only be measured over time.
This I know. Heaven has drawn closer to earth to release a miracle anointing. Many who never even attend Todd's meetings are receiving this anointing by pressing in to God.
This release of miracles will reach the Jew to form the One New Man to reach the world.
Shalom and Love,
P.S. Please consider joining our monthly giving program as Mishpochah (Family) or Chalutzim (Pioneers) and enjoy the convenience of having your gift automatically deducted from your checking account or credit card.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/3/2008 2:13:24 PM
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This I know. Heaven has drawn closer to earth to release a miracle anointing. Many who never even attend Todd's meetings are receiving this anointing by pressing in to God.
This release of miracles will reach the Jew to form the One New Man to reach the world.
Huh? How does Heaven draw closer to earth? And what is the One New Man?
EDITED TO ADD: Wow, that link from Winter in post 2535 was really helpful. Here's the link one level above, to an index of transcripts of the services.
From day 58...
Grab a hold of your television. Grab a hold of your computer…. and here comes a little SHEEKA, BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM, HEY, HEY, HEY, HEY, HEY, HEY, HA!!!!
Errrr....ok. Maybe that should be my new sig. All that needs to be added is boom shaka laka laka, boom shaka laka laka...
Or, as the Tenth Doctor would say, in a very astonished English tone...."What??!!!??? What??!!!???"
< Message edited by stateofgrace -- 7/3/2008 2:28:42 PM >
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/3/2008 2:31:43 PM
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And what is the One New Man?
This is Sid's mantra on his program.
the One New Man = Jews and Gentiles coming together in Yeshua/Jesus.
I used to watch some of his programs because he said he "verified" the miracles.
Ha Ha. I guess I was suckered again. He had shown a couple of "ministries" that
flaunted gold teeth and gold dust before. So, when Lakeland was doing the same
thing it really made me "examine" all these things. This thread exposing Lakeland
for what it is did more than that for me. It "settled once and for all" ---- Is all this
stuff claimed by evangelicals, messianics, hindus, etc. from God or not? NOT!!!
Well, we have to draw our own conclusions.
But I've thrown the baby out with the bath water.
Hopefully never to be "fooled" again. lol.
That was Rosemary's Baby by the way.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/3/2008 3:35:18 PM
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I did some intensive and objective googling today about todd and about his visions and recent tatoos etc and other stuff mentioned here. I have to say that I have no desire whatsoever to attend any florida-esque meetings at my church.  If I feel the need I will share a whole bundle of links with my pastor.
The most frightening stuff I read was Todds very own writing about angels.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/4/2008 6:43:27 AM
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ORIGINAL: peacebringer
Earlier today posted a new commentary on my blog similar to my first evaluation and particularly looking at C Peter Wagner's declaration over Todd in light of 1 John 2:16 and other commentary. Please check it out and let me know any thoughts. peacebringer musings, Lakeland Evaluation The Commissioning.
I have read your commentary(very clear by the way.) and the link to another prophesy.
The more I read about this the more I feel sick down inside.
What I mainly took from your article is that Jesus has been pushed to one side in this movement. Jesus should be the unavoidable centre of attention at all times.
For me a true "revival" would be when people are suddenly calling out more on the name of Jesus and going around showing mercy and love to all. Healing and bondage breaking and anointing are always happening , it doesn't need a stage show.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/4/2008 12:26:08 PM
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ORIGINAL: everjoyful
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ORIGINAL: peacebringer
Earlier today posted a new commentary on my blog similar to my first evaluation and particularly looking at C Peter Wagner's declaration over Todd in light of 1 John 2:16 and other commentary. Please check it out and let me know any thoughts. peacebringer musings, Lakeland Evaluation The Commissioning.
I have read your commentary(very clear by the way.) and the link to another prophesy.
The more I read about this the more I feel sick down inside.
What I mainly took from your article is that Jesus has been pushed to one side in this movement. Jesus should be the unavoidable centre of attention at all times.
For me a true "revival" would be when people are suddenly calling out more on the name of Jesus and going around showing mercy and love to all. Healing and bondage breaking and anointing are always happening , it doesn't need a stage show.
Absolutely Jesus being pushed to the side. Those in the "church" are being tempted, just as Jesus. Many have gone after the tempations. This God has made clear to me. I am now seeing things I didn't see clearly before. May God use what I say to open eyes of those otherwise walking toward great deception. May we all open our eyes to how we have been deceived and pursue JESUS. We all need to get ready and examine ourselves.
We have a choice to watch and point fingers at those going the wrong way, to be filled with pride, or we have a choice to seek Jesus and His righteousness. Seek His kingdom and not our own.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/4/2008 12:31:14 PM
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For me a true "revival" would be when people are suddenly calling out more on the name of Jesus and going around showing mercy and love to all. Healing and bondage breaking and anointing are always happening
Nope, that's not it...as I said in another thread, this is the only Scripture in the Bible that even mentions "revival"....
"19 Repent, therefore, and reform your lives, so that the record of your sins may be cancelled, and that there may come seasons of revival from the Lord..." -Acts 3
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/4/2008 1:49:21 PM
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Luke 4:17 - 19 (ESV) 17And the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written, 18 £“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, 19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”
the recovery of sight is in the opening of the spiritual eyes, Bentley and his crew seem to be more focused on the signs/wonders than spiritual healings
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/4/2008 1:56:40 PM
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For me a true "revival" would be when people are suddenly calling out more on the name of Jesus and going around showing mercy and love to all. Healing and bondage breaking and anointing are always happening
Nope, that's not it...as I said in another thread, this is the only Scripture in the Bible that even mentions "revival"....
"19 Repent, therefore, and reform your lives, so that the record of your sins may be cancelled, and that there may come seasons of revival from the Lord..." -Acts 3
I would put it this way. Complete surrender to Christ. Now this results in following God's commands, Loving God with our entire being and loving our neighbor as our self. But again that is another thread.
I do agree that God does heal, break bondage and empower (annoit) people continually. It doesn't look like what is going on in Lakeland, however. The word "annointing" is going to take on a tough meaning and will need to be examined when used. Same with the word Kingdom, which to me is about the Gospel and spreading the Gospel. To those behind Lakeland (NAR) another meaning all together.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/4/2008 4:01:14 PM
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Please notice a 55 page rebuttal and confirmation of the refute every tongue that accuses as written: Gary S Greig and Peter Kirk .
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/4/2008 4:21:41 PM
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Greetings prophetica, ........, cyberjewels, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
Is it wrong for any of us to ask you, a supporter of Todd Bentley, to simply address the concerns we have documented for all to study?
Are you saying we, as Christians, are not allowed to judge another's teachings and claims? Especially when they fly in the face of biblical Christianity?
As for the links you provided above - unless they have a different Bible - the teachings of Todd cannot be justified by Scripture.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/4/2008 6:18:53 PM
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For me a true "revival" would be when people are suddenly calling out more on the name of Jesus and going around showing mercy and love to all. Healing and bondage breaking and anointing are always happening
Nope, that's not it...as I said in another thread, this is the only Scripture in the Bible that even mentions "revival"....
"19 Repent, therefore, and reform your lives, so that the record of your sins may be cancelled, and that there may come seasons of revival from the Lord..." -Acts 3
Kat D,
REVIVAL is a thoroughly Biblical concept. Not only is it a Biblically sound one, it is also one that the church historical has encountered time and time again, during dry seasons where religious formalism has taken the place of a genuine, intimate relationship with Jesus and holy living, God has called His people to return to their first love. See just a sampling of the Scriptures on revival below...
Psalm 80:18: "Then we will not turn back from You; Revive us, and we will call upon Your name."
Psalm 85:6: "Will You not revive us again, That Your people may rejoice in You?"
Psalm 119:25: "My soul clings to the dust; Revive me according to Your word."
Psalm 119:40: "Behold, I long for Your precepts; Revive me in Your righteousness."
Psalm 119:88: "Revive me according to Your lovingkindness, So that I may keep the testimony of Your mouth."
Hosea 14:7: "Those who dwell under his shadow shall return; They shall be revived like grain, And grow like a vine. Their scent shall be like the wine of Lebanon."
Habakkuk 3:2: "O Lord, I have heard your speech and was afraid; O Lord, revive Your work in the midst of the years! In the midst of the years make it known; In wrath remember mercy."
Ezra 9:8: "And now for a little while grace has been shown from the Lord our God, to leave us a remnant to escape, and to give us a peg in His holy place, that our God may enlighten our eyes and give us a measure of REVIVAL in our bondage."
Whenever the people of God have wandered away from simple faith and love for Jesus, whenever God's people have gotten down and discouraged and need to rejoice anew in God's living power, it's time for a revival. A revival of the presence of the Lord. A revival in His righteousness and right, holy living. A revival and renewed revelation of the Father's heart of love for His people.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/5/2008 5:13:24 AM
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ORIGINAL: Kat_D
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For me a true "revival" would be when people are suddenly calling out more on the name of Jesus and going around showing mercy and love to all. Healing and bondage breaking and anointing are always happening
Nope, that's not it...as I said in another thread, this is the only Scripture in the Bible that even mentions "revival"....
"19 Repent, therefore, and reform your lives, so that the record of your sins may be cancelled, and that there may come seasons of revival from the Lord..." -Acts 3
This is what I mean.
I just didn't put it so clearly. 
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She is all in to this freaky stuff, as far as I can tell. Though I think she loves the Lord. 
