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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/23/2008 5:04:38 AM
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Following all of the recent Todd Bentley internet coverage, Live from Seattle's guest host, Ken Talbott posted the "July 14th on AM 820 KGNW" show to his site at www.thewalkshow.com
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/23/2008 8:48:04 AM
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I read that Todd will be leaving Lakeland August 23rd. He is going overseas, plus other places in the states doing crusades.
Ignited church's Pastor, Steve Strader, still plans on having revival meetings, in other words, they will not stop.
The walk show program was very informative by the way.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/23/2008 11:53:59 AM
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Ignited church's Pastor, Steve Strader, still plans on having revival meetings, in other words, they will not stop.
But, will "the show" still continue? Will they bring in more of the Kansas City Prophets (sounds like the name of a minor league baseball team)?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/23/2008 12:17:54 PM
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Ignited church's Pastor, Steve Strader, still plans on having revival meetings, in other words, they will not stop.
But, will "the show" still continue? Will they bring in more of the Kansas City Prophets (sounds like the name of a minor league baseball team)?
My understanding is it will continue with Steve Strader leading it primarily. They will probably lose their nightly GODTV airing though.
And Todd may come back from time to time is also my understanding.
I predict if Todd stays away for a while, it will start to slow down. They will probably bring him back a few times to try to hype it up again.
I also will think that for a while GODTV may follow wherever Todd goes, so I expect what is going on to become a traveling circus.
Hopefully though it will all just stop quickly.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/23/2008 12:43:43 PM
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Honest question: in general conversations with the pastors at my church, in general they have no clue as to what is taking place. How much as leaders do they need to be warned and how much is it to let sleeping dogs lie unless something comes up?
I asked our pastor for his take on it and he wasn't aware of what was going on. Needless to say, I made him aware. There has yet been no official stand taken at our church, that I'm aware of.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/23/2008 1:42:20 PM
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God will hold so many pastors accountable for being ignorant and oblivious to the things that occur that affect their flock, etc..
They have no excuse, none. When they are full time, etc.. when they can have access to the Internet, etc.. amazing that they do not know.
Shame. Shame. Shame.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/23/2008 1:53:35 PM
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Some people never look outside of their denomination to see what all is going on. Then when it hits your church or denomination, it may be too late.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/23/2008 2:37:49 PM
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I have mentioned this to our church's assistant pastor and he said another parishoner had asked him about it; I told him it was a joke and to come here for more info.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/23/2008 8:48:34 PM
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I came across this great quote today as I was reading a sermon entitled "The Kind of Revival We Need" by Charles Spurgeon, the Prince of Preachers...
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I am glad of any signs of life, even if they should be feverish and transient, and I am slow to judge any well intended movement, but I am very fearful that many so called revivals in the long run wrought more harm than good. A species of religious gambling has fascinated many men, and given them a distaste for the sober business of true godliness.
But if I would nail down counterfeits upon the counter, I do not therefore undervalue true gold. Far from it. It is to be desired beyond measure that the Lord would send a real and lasting revival of spiritual life.
We need a work of the Holy Spirit of a supernatural kind, putting power into the preaching of the Word, inspiring all believers with heavenly energy, and solemnly affecting the hearts of the careless, so that they turn to God and live. We would not be drunk with the wine of carnal excitement, but we would be filled with the Spirit. We would behold the fire descending from heaven in answer to the effectual fervent prayers of righteous men. Can we not entreat the Lord our God to make bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the people in this day of declension and vanity?
You can read the whole sermon text here: http://www.spurgeon.org/revival.htm
Lord, send TRUE REVIVAL to the church!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/24/2008 12:43:41 PM
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That talk show program covers the same things covered in this thread.
It was good to hear all the same.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/24/2008 12:56:55 PM
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From the beginning Branham had unusual manifestations which he attributed to his angel. “The power invested me by my commission given by Almighty God and ministered to me by an Angel, a Pillar of Light” (The Revelation of the Seven Seals p.112-113). Branham admits the angel is a pillar of light (this will become important as we look at Todd Bentleys experiences with angels and light). The angel that William Branham had was actually a powerful angel of light- a demonic entity that masqueraded as the angel of the Lord and the Holy Spirit of God. This entity appeared throughout Branham’s life from early childhood and eventually led him into all kinds of “serious error.” It is crucial to understand what Bentley is claiming, by renewing the call of William Branham. Bentley’s acknowledgement of his angel as Branham’s angel via Bob Jones (notwithstanding the many other angels that constantly visit him) puts his imprimatur on Branham being used of God. This is not that unusual, many charismatics endorse Branham, the difference is that he is saying this angel is an influence or power in his ministry.
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Branham claimed that he was the angel found in Rev 3:14 and 10:7. From a supernatural experience of a ball of light he believed that he was Elijah, who would precede Christ’s return before the 2nd coming. Branham taught that the angels to the 7 churches in the book of Revelation were men who appeared at various times throughout Church history bringing new revelation, that he was the messenger of the last Church age, Laodicea. From his angelic influence, he denied the Trinity and called it a satanic doctrine: “Thus saith the Lord,” trinitarianism is of the Devil” (Footprints, p. 606). He taught the oneness doctrine of the godhead “Christ, and the Holy Spirit is the self same person, only in a different form It's three manifestations of the same Person, or you might call it three offices.... (The Revelation of the Seven Seals, pp.156-157). He at times denied the Son of God was the eternal God. In referring to Jn.1 “Now, in the beginning was the word. A word is thought expressed. In the beginning He wasn’t even God” (The Mighty God Unveiled Before Us, p.11).
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Bentley is a part of “Elijah’s List,” a loose group of false prophets (nearly all) who have intentionally divorced themselves from the word of God in their interpretation and operation of spiritual gifts. They now have an influential internet forum to sell their books, DVD’S and post their prophetic promptings. They daily post every wacky nonsensical prophecy possible, nothing seems to be prohibited. If you think you have heard it all, you have not until read their daily posts.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/25/2008 8:37:51 AM
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Todd Bentley: "When God's Not Moving, I Move God"
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/25/2008 8:49:43 AM
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NO confirmed healings at Lakeland freak show
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/25/2008 9:18:26 AM
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Todd Bentley: "When God's Not Moving, I Move God"
Todd stole that quote from Smith Wigglesworth.
He used to say, "If the Spirit don't move me, I move the Spirit!"
Don't you just love the exaltation of man, and the trying to bring God down to our level, as if we can force Him to move on our behalf!
It is as if we are the Sovereign, and God is our genie, at our beck and call.
Father, please deliver us from this doctrine of evil!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/25/2008 1:01:37 PM
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Many of the problems we experience in our lives, both individually and corporately, result from a lack of clarity in our thinking about what is real, true, and essential. It is rare indeed to find a person who takes the time to think clearly about things. Too often our fast-paced, over-stimulated, jacked-up society simply acts like a pack of Pavlovian dogs responding to the bells and whistles of the postmodern “techno culture” rather than as rational agents created in the image and likeness of God.
This is one of those things that may not appear to apply, yet applies to many things.
Why do the Bentley's get away with what they do. Could it be there is no longer
"clear thinking" anymore?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/25/2008 2:03:55 PM
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I’ve been following this thread for the past week or so, and have read some of the previous postings. There is a lot of information that has been helpful to see exactly what is going on with Todd Bentley in Lakeland.
I know someone who has been to Lakeland twice since this has started. Once at the beginning and then last Friday. He seems very genuine in seeking what God has for him, but when I bring up my questions regarding Todd Bentley, he always seems to have an answer in favor of Todd Bentley. I decided to watch some of it online last Friday night, since I knew he would be there and I could ask him questions with regards to what happened that night. Todd was praying for backs to be healed last Friday night. There was a woman that came up for prayer (I don’t remember her ailment) and Todd did a woosh woosh with his hands up and down her back and then asked her if she was feeling better…could she move, etc.? Todd said he saw a snake come out of her back! As I watched it…I thought “a snake”?? Everyone just accepts it, even the woman that he prayed over. I saw no one really being healed, yet Todd was proclaiming healings.
I asked him about this event with the snake…he just said that “well there are spirits of snakes”…ok, so how does that really answer my question? Am I supposed to just believe that is what Todd Bentley really saw? Am I lacking faith?
I later asked him about one of the videos I saw where Todd Bentley read a letter that just came in about the 13th person raised from the dead! Todd says (as he reads the letter) that this hasn’t been confirmed, but yet everyone cheers, screams and is praising God. I asked him, why would they praise God if they don’t know if this is even true? Why would they all be stirred up? He answered they are just praising God, because God can raise the dead. But, none of these are even confirmed? Still...I don't get it...
I watched Todd Bentley online, read about him, watched some of the videos posted….I don’t see how this person doesn’t see what I see?! Any thoughts on what I could say? He is very much into prophesy and the supernatural world. He handed me a prophesy dictionary to answer my “snake” question, but it really didn’t answer my question. He is a Christian, and has been for some time.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/25/2008 2:19:28 PM
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I watched Todd Bentley online, read about him, watched some of the videos posted….I don’t see how this person doesn’t see what I see?! Any thoughts on what I could say? He is very much into prophesy and the supernatural world. He handed me a prophesy dictionary to answer my “snake” question, but it really didn’t answer my question. He is a Christian, and has been for some time.
In that state of mind, they believe just because the "choose to believe."
Which in simplist terms does not make it fact.
Many of us here were right where he is.
Only God can open his eyes to the deception.
The deceived do not know they are deceived.
Otherwise, they would no longer be deceived.
These people are already into that extra-biblical nonsense
or they wouldn't follow after it. They seek signs and wonders.
Seems innocent enough, but Jesus says that it is an
adulterous and wicked generation that seeks after signs and wonders.
Adulterous = Idolatrous
Wicked = Twisted like a candle wick. Truth twisted into error.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/25/2008 2:28:56 PM
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Lapidoth,
I get what you are saying. He is choosing to believe this...he does. He is so excited about all of this. I truly believe he is seeking God, but he is also seeking some revelation to happen there. He tells me that people are being saved there and that there is a salvation message at the end of each night...I've yet to watch the entire thing. If I watch it for hours off and on and only see worship music and Todd jumping around and screaming...where is the preaching of the Word?! It's saved for the end?...I've not seen it, but perhaps the Word has been preached and I just haven't seen or heard it.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/25/2008 2:48:42 PM
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Lapidoth,
I get what you are saying. He is choosing to believe this...he does. He is so excited about all of this. I truly believe he is seeking God, but he is also seeking some revelation to happen there. He tells me that people are being saved there and that there is a salvation message at the end of each night...I've yet to watch the entire thing. If I watch it for hours off and on and only see worship music and Todd jumping around and screaming...where is the preaching of the Word?! It's saved for the end?...I've not seen it, but perhaps the Word has been preached and I just haven't seen or heard it.
From what videos, etc. I have watched and the articles I've read,
it's NOT there. Seems to be an "automatic" defense mode that
kicks in when anyone questions it.
Besides, we aren't to judge whether supernatural stuff is happening.
We are to judge the "fruit." Of the life of the preacher/teacher and
the teachings. The teachings alone are enough to "prove" Bentley
is a false brethren.
I could only pray last night that the sincere people would be covered
by God's mercy. And yet, God allows things like this to "TEST" us to
see if we will follow the Bentley's of the world or after the Word of God.
I've been in many of these "tests" and have failed.
Once I recognized what all this really is, I can only REPENT.
And be thankful my eyes were opened. The broad path leads
to destruction. Destruction is what is left in the wake of these charades.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/25/2008 7:57:26 PM
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Sincere or not, the devil does not respect anyone. And sincere and unsincere alike are getting more than they bargained for at Lakeland - spirits? Plenty of those to go around. Healings? Not so much. 
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/26/2008 1:14:23 AM
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Woah man! Should I start reading this from the beginning?
I will say this...my Pastor once said...
"Follow the Mover (God) and not the movement."
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/26/2008 8:44:41 AM
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He handed me a prophesy dictionary to answer my “snake” question, but it really didn’t answer my question. He is a Christian, and has been for some time.
Uuugh! This drives me crazy! I've got a friend exactly like this. After he went to Lakeland, I was able to call him on several things that he just could not justify and my prayers for his discernment on that were certainly answered. He's sees Bentley for what he is but, unfortunately, is so wrapped up in this prophetic movement, IHOP, and all the rest. Lapidoth, you're right, this "extra Biblical" stuff is so dangerous. He tried to tell us the other day that all addictions stem from an unloving spirit....a lack of self-love. That's nothing more than pop-psychology nonsense and in no way comes from the Bible - it doesn't even line up with scripture! But it's in his "ministry manual" or some such thing....I call it his book of spells. It's trying to put a formula on God's word or how God works so we can make Him work for us. That's a dangerous game to play!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/26/2008 10:04:28 AM
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Woah man! Should I start reading this from the beginning?
I will say this...my Pastor once said...
"Follow the Mover (God) and not the movement."
If you're sincerely interested in this counterfeit revival and false teacher, false prophet? Sure.
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