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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 8:21:27 AM
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tracydolls
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What you are advocating is ridiculous. Exo 12:35 And the children of Israel did according to the word of Moses; and they borrowed of the Egyptians jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment: why we can't borrow our stuff back? I don't expect the US or Europe to be like the Egyptians.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 8:38:21 AM
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Conquer it? You already did that. I can assure you I have never conquered anyone...other than those foolish enough to shoot a game of pool with me. The above statement also could be percieved in a prejudiced view. An anti-european expression. I am not really offended...but this statement is offensive. quote:
do some of the poor have Jesus. YES. Then they are not in poverty. They may not have much. They might not even have food or a roof, but they are not in poverty.....and their being in this poverty is not the fault of those who have money. Do you think the reason why there is poverty in this world is because the rich do not give???? This would perfectly define marxism. Reparations are a poltical tool used to confuse the weak minded and dependant. Not all african americans are the same...I think you know that?
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 9:00:08 AM
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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1 Reparations are a poltical tool used to confuse the weak minded and dependant. Yah, what SonInMe said. tracydolls, You still didn't say whether it's okay that everyone all over the world ask for reparations from the descendents of people that oppressed or enslaved or took from their own. You've only mentioned the U.S. and Europe and how both need to give back everything "stolen". Why are you focusing on only the U.S. and Europe? I think everyone everywhere all deserve a piece of the pie. At one point or another, everyone's ancestors were oppressed by another people. So yes, what you're saying...it's ridiculous. We shouldn't be wallowing in bitterness or envy or a mentality that says "I am entitled to that!".
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 9:12:11 AM
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Tracy, May I ask a simple question? Do you have any other nationality in your ancestry? I know I have many different one's and had history not happened the way it did, then I probably wouldn't exist. Many of us can say the same thing.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 11:30:56 AM
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If I had the Power to order, pass and implement it: First, I’d CUT ALL Aid that comes from the US Government to All Countries around the world. And than, I’d cut All taxes ear marked for the use of giving aid to other countries; with the exception of giving aid for the first 6 months after a natural disaster of nature. I would than say to the American people; if YOU personally and individually want to go and give aid to another country you have my permission, support and blessings to do so. In fact I will voluntarily give some type of aid, to those that I feel can and will make a difference in accomplishing their task (buy a tool --- shovel, hoe, bucket, etc.---, some seed, help pay the way of getting there or home again, etc.; give a list of needs and I’ll choose something you can use.). But get it straight, we [USA] owe no other country an obligation to help aid them, nor will we any longer commit to X amount of $’s for aid. Aren’t you glad I don’t have the Power to do this?
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 11:38:43 AM
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quote: ...the current high food prices are a direct result of market speculators in the commodities market the push to ethanol is the main reason for the speculation! Why do you hate capitalism? Yes and who is benefiting from the ethanol boom? What would you lead you to that conclusion? (that I hate capitalism) I was merely making the point that contrary to what soninme implies, some factors are beyond the control of Third World countries to control.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 12:50:22 PM
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Tracey, You unknowing made my point. AAs have made great contributions to our country. Why hasn't the same been done in the various countries on the African continent? And it's not entirely the fault of those evil companies. Don’t these companies also provide jobs? Most has to due with political unrest, culture wars as in Rwanda, and religion. Look at the island of Hispaniola. Look at the difference between the two countries on that island. One is desperately poor: Haiti, And why is this, is it the color of their skin or their dominant religion. I’ll bet it is the latter.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 12:56:35 PM
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Y Yes and who is benefiting from the ethanol boom? Al Gore. He is making a fortune selling carbon credits (aka indulgences)to those who sin against Mother Earth quote:
I was merely making the point that contrary to what soninme implies, some factors are beyond the control of Third World countries to control. [/quote Weather in the third world is beyond their control. But we have the resources to better life both here and in the third world but are not using them because of the quixotic battle of global warming and the worship of the creation instead of the Creator.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 1:00:57 PM
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Conquer it? You already did that. I can assure you I have never conquered anyone...other than those foolish enough to shoot a game of pool with me. The above statement also could be percieved in a prejudiced view. An anti-european expression. I am not really offended...but this statement is offensive. The truth is a offensive statement? you throw conquer up there, I say you already did it. That's the truth. quote:
and their being in this poverty is not the fault of those who have money. not what the Bible says! quote:
Do you think the reason why there is poverty in this world is because the rich do not give???? This would perfectly define marxism. He said GIVE TO THE POOR. you can make any excuse you want not to. quote:
Reparations are a poltical tool used to confuse the weak minded and dependant. Who said reparations, I was talking about what the Bible says: Borrow Again, I say that I don't ever expect the US and Europe to come anywhere near the Egyptians, who borrowed to the Israelites as they left. quote:
Not all african americans are the same...I think you know that? Yep, just like i know all european americans are no the same, and all Native tribes are not the same, etc.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 1:06:20 PM
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You've only mentioned the U.S. and Europe and how both need to give back everything "stolen". Yep, ALL the stolen loot. not what one did not contribute , the stolen: the wages off 200+ years of slavery, cotton, tobacco, rice. How much is that. I want every company that made money off slavery, every one. Rubber, no tires for cars, it is stolen from Liberia, Firestone tires is still there with their plantations. diamonds- 500 years of diamonds from South Africa. gold, oil from Nigeria, cocoa, plant, this means you cannot have chocolate, animals, elephants, tigers are not native to US. I'll take all these also, they were invented by black people air conditioning unit: Frederick M. Jones; July 12, 1949 almanac: Benjamin Banneker; Approx 1791 auto cut-off switch: Granville T. Woods; January 1,1839 auto fishing devise: G. Cook; May 30, 1899 automatic gear shift: Richard Spikes; February 28, 1932 baby buggy: W.H. Richardson; June 18, 1899 bicycle frame: L.R. Johnson; Octber 10, 1899 biscuit cutter: A.P. Ashbourne; November 30, 1875 blood plasma bag: Charles Drew; Approx. 1945 cellular phone: Henry T. Sampson; July 6, 1971 chamber commode: T. Elkins; January 3, 1897 clothes dryer: G. T. Sampson; June 6, 1862 curtain rod: S. R. Scratton; November 30, 1889 curtain rod support: William S. Grant; August 4, 1896 door knob: O. Dorsey; December 10, 1878 door stop: O. Dorsey; December 10, 1878 dust pan: Lawrence P. Ray; August 3, 1897 egg beater: Willie Johnson; February 5, 1884 electric lampbulb: Lewis Latimer; March 21, 1882 elevator: Alexander Miles; October 11, 1867 eye protector: P. Johnson; November 2, 1880 fire escape ladder: J. W. Winters; May 7, 1878 fire extinguisher: T. Marshall; October 26, 1872 folding bed: L. C. Bailey; July 18, 1899 folding chair: Brody & Surgwar; June 11, 1889 fountain pen: W. B. Purvis; January 7, 1890 furniture caster: O. A. Fisher; 1878 gas mask: Garrett Morgan; October 13, 1914 golf tee: T. Grant; December 12, 1899 guitar: Robert F. Flemming, Jr. March 3, 1886 hair brush: Lydia O. Newman; November 15,18-- hand stamp: Walter B. Purvis; February 27, 1883 horse shoe: J. Ricks; March 30, 1885 ice cream scooper: A. L. Cralle; February 2, 1897 improv. sugar making: Norbet Rillieux; December 10, 1846 insect-destroyer gun: A. C. Richard; February 28, 1899 ironing board: Sarah Boone; December 30, 1887 key chain: F. J. Loudin; January 9, 1894 lantern: Michael C. Harvey; August 19, 1884 lawn mower: L. A. Burr; May 19, 1889 lawn sprinkler: J. W. Smith; May 4, 1897 lemon squeezer: J. Thomas White; December 8, 1893 lock: W. A. Martin; July 23, 18-- lubricating cup: Ellijah McCoy; November 15, 1895 lunch pail: James Robinson; 1887 mail box: Paul L. Downing; October 27, 1891 mop: Thomas W. Stewart; June 11, 1893 motor: Frederick M. Jones; June 27, 1939 peanut butter: George Washington Carver; 1896 pencil sharpener: J. L. Love; November 23, 1897 record player arm: Joseph Hunger Dickenson January 8, 1819 refrigerator: J. Standard; June 14, 1891 riding saddles: W. D. Davis; October 6, 1895 rolling pin: John W. Reed; 1864 shampoo headrest: C. O. Bailiff; October 11, 1898 spark plug: Edmond Berger; February 2, 1839 stethoscope: Imhotep; Ancient Egypt stove: T. A. Carrington; July 25, 1876 straightening comb: Madam C. J. Walker; Approx 1905 street sweeper: Charles B. Brooks; March 17, 1890 phone transmitter: Granville T. Woods; December 2, 1884 thermostat control: Frederick M. Jones; February 23, 1960 traffic light: Garrett Morgan; November 20, 1923 tricycle: M. A. Cherry; May 6, 1886 typewriter: Burridge & Marshman; April 7, 1885
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 1:08:33 PM
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May I ask a simple question? Do you have any other nationality in your ancestry? Of course I got other nationalitys. AS the European went around the world, he impregnated alot of people! If that is the case, then DNA says we are all from AFRICA.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 1:11:23 PM
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Tracey, You unknowing made my point. AAs have made great contributions to our country. Why hasn't the same been done in the various countries on the African continent? And it's not entirely the fault of those evil companies. Don’t these companies also provide jobs? What country, this is Native land, you mean the country that was stolen? Has'nt been done on the Continent becasue the best and brightest were stolen off of there, 10 MILLION of them. YEs it is the fault of those evil companies. Jobs to who. i think you should study AFrica.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 1:13:31 PM
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You fail to get the point I'm making. Had history not happened the way it did, both good and bad 99.99999999% of us would not exist today.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 1:21:46 PM
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You fail to get the point I'm making. Had history not happened the way it did, both good and bad 99.99999999% of us would not exist today. So, if the European had stayed in Europe, left the AFricans in Africa, and left the Natives alone, we would not exist today. I beg to differ, I think we would have been ok right where we were, am I angry, NO. Can I tell the truth about it, yes, anyone should know it, it's in the history books.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 1:21:54 PM
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ORIGINAL: tracydolls quote:
Tracey, You unknowing made my point. AAs have made great contributions to our country. Why hasn't the same been done in the various countries on the African continent? And it's not entirely the fault of those evil companies. Don’t these companies also provide jobs? What country, this is Native land, you mean the country that was stolen? Has'nt been done on the Continent becasue the best and brightest were stolen off of there, 10 MILLION of them. YEs it is the fault of those evil companies. Jobs to who. i think you should study AFrica. You're making absolutely no sense to me whatsoever....
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 1:28:14 PM
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You fail to get the point I'm making. Had history not happened the way it did, both good and bad 99.99999999% of us would not exist today. So, if the European had stayed in Europe, left the AFricans in Africa, and left the Natives alone, we would not exist today. I beg to differ, I think we would have been ok right where we were, am I angry, NO. Can I tell the truth about it, yes, anyone should know it, it's in the history books. You don't get it. It took all of your ancestors to make you, even those Europeans. It took all of my ancestors, good, bad and ugly to make me. The same goes for everyone else . We must learn from the past and move on however, we can't change what happened.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 1:30:44 PM
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Exo 12:35 And the children of Israel did according to the word of Moses; and they borrowed of the Egyptians jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment: And what did they do with the gold a few days later?
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 1:38:57 PM
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ORIGINAL: StephK You fail to get the point I'm making. Had history not happened the way it did, both good and bad 99.99999999% of us would not exist today. I agree Steph. I can bemoan and get angry or frustrated all I want about what happened beyond my control that has led to where I am today. That has led the countries to be how they are today, with the people populating them, etc. But you know what, I'm not going to. It's pointless to live in the past. Yes, we are to learn from the past, but not dwell in it. Learn from the mistakes, move on. It's when people continually insist that someone has to "give" back what was "stolen" or other such nonsense when we can't move beyond it all. It's really not doing anything but causing unnecessary arguments about who's in the right. None of us are. The U.S. or any other country is not obligated to provide aid to those in Africa. We aren't required to, but we know it's the right thing to do for those in need so we do so! This 770 million is in addition to the aid the U.S. government usually gives to the African continent, and doesn't also include private donations from individuals and organizations as well. The U.S. has given so much to these countries. One can pour all the money one wants, but that is not a permanent solution to the problem. Even before this foot shortage and rise in prices, Africa was still poor and hungry. This situation has just made conditions much worse than usual. But to say it's "evil" corporations fault for the poverty in these countries is wrong. Look at the corrupt African government officials. I know someone who works at Neiman Marcus, the high-end department store, and she has told me it disgusts her when she sees these African government officials waltzing in the store with their wives dropping thousands of dollars and living the good life. Corruption in the governments and a general malaise of this is how it's always been done and always will be done is probably big factors in why many Africans can't get out of the poverty they live in.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 1:46:10 PM
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You don't get it. It took all of your ancestors to make you, even those Europeans. It took all of my ancestors, good, bad and ugly to make me. The same goes for everyone else . We must learn from the past and move on however, we can't change what happened. I do get it. My mom is white. My father is black. I get it Steph, did I type that, NO. I was asked what I would do? I typed that. Can I do it, no.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 1:48:59 PM
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The U.S. or any other country is not obligated to provide aid to those in Africa. We aren't required to, but we know it's the right thing to do for those in need so we do so! This 770 million is in addition to the aid the U.S. government usually gives to the African continent, and doesn't also include private donations from individuals and organizations as well. The U.S. has given so much to these countries. A joke compared to our income, the US has stolen much from these countries in AFRICA. america has a corrupt gov't.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 2:00:46 PM
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I am not advocating $AID, this is what I would do, that's what I was asked Exo 12:35 And the children of Israel did according to the word of Moses; and they borrowed of the Egyptians jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment: Arent you glad I don't have the power to borrow it all back? Hmmm..., beings I can only find the word 'borrowed' in 3 (KJV Strong's Version, Third Millennum, Webster's Translation) out of 28 Translations; all the others say, 'asked' or 'requested'; I can't help but wonder if the meaning of the word 'borrowed' in these 3 translations and the way you are using it are one and the same interpretation/meaning. From: King James Reference Edition (which I use more than any other) Borrowed = Lit. asked Lent (v. 36) = Lit. gave
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 2:06:34 PM
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ORIGINAL: StephK You fail to get the point I'm making. Had history not happened the way it did, both good and bad 99.99999999% of us would not exist today. I agree Steph. I can bemoan and get angry or frustrated all I want about what happened beyond my control that has led to where I am today. That has led the countries to be how they are today, with the people populating them, etc. But you know what, I'm not going to. It's pointless to live in the past. Yes, we are to learn from the past, but not dwell in it. Learn from the mistakes, move on. It's when people continually insist that someone has to "give" back what was "stolen" or other such nonsense when we can't move beyond it all. It's really not doing anything but causing unnecessary arguments about who's in the right. None of us are. The U.S. or any other country is not obligated to provide aid to those in Africa. We aren't required to, but we know it's the right thing to do for those in need so we do so! This 770 million is in addition to the aid the U.S. government usually gives to the African continent, and doesn't also include private donations from individuals and organizations as well. The U.S. has given so much to these countries. One can pour all the money one wants, but that is not a permanent solution to the problem. Even before this foot shortage and rise in prices, Africa was still poor and hungry. This situation has just made conditions much worse than usual. But to say it's "evil" corporations fault for the poverty in these countries is wrong. Look at the corrupt African government officials. I know someone who works at Neiman Marcus, the high-end department store, and she has told me it disgusts her when she sees these African government officials waltzing in the store with their wives dropping thousands of dollars and living the good life. Corruption in the governments and a general malaise of this is how it's always been done and always will be done is probably big factors in why many Africans can't get out of the poverty they live in. Same here. I'm half Cajun. Those Brits weren't too nice to my ancestors. I do understand that politics and government has a lot to do with this mess too. Theirs more than ours. The US has given billions upon billions in aid plus that much or more in food, medicine, building infrastructure but it doesn't seem to get to the people who need it most. All the money seems to help fund the people in power's greed. If those dictators cared about their people you would think they would make such things as the malaria vaccine and mosquito nets available to their people since they are so cheap. If those governments would take care of the basic infrastructure like they are supposed to then the people themselves could get out of the mess. I remember the famines from the 80's and the one thing that bothered me most was seeing all that food rot on the wharves because of politics. The world responded to the need with great generosity but the local tin pot dictators failed to get the food to the starving and just let it rot instead.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/3/2008 2:12:35 PM
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ORIGINAL: tracydolls I'll take all these also, they were invented by black people air conditioning unit: Frederick M. Jones; July 12, 1949 His dad was white, so we'll keep half. quote:
almanac: Benjamin Banneker; Approx 1791 His grandmother was a European American, so we'll keep at least a fourth. Come on! I guess if we're going to give a bunch of stuff back, maybe we should take back electricity and every other thing invented by a white American? It's ridiculous. As far as slavery, it's estimated (based on census records) that 1.4% of white Americans owned slaves. That means more than 98% did not. The US actually wasn't the final destination for most slaves...that distinction falls to Brazil. (Spain, Britain and France are also ahead of the US.) And from African History: The Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade: quote:
Between 1450 and the end of the nineteenth century, slaves were obtained from along the west coast of Africa with the full and active co-operation of African kings and merchants. (There were occasional military campaigns organised by Europeans to capture slaves, especially by the Portuguese in what is now Angola, but this accounts for only a small percentage of the total.) In return, the African kings and merchants received various trade goods including beads, cowrie shells (used as money), textiles, brandy, horses, and perhaps most importantly, guns. The guns were used to help expand empires and obtain more slaves, until they were finally used against the European colonisers. The export of trade goods from Europe to Africa forms the first side of the triangular trade. Why do you want to lay all your anger on the US? Plenty of places for that to go around. And I'm really curious about some of the people you want to send "back" to Africa. I'm fairly positive they would not accept the invitation. The US sends billions to Africa. I can think a few people here--of all colors--that would benefit from just a few thousand. That amount could get whole American families back on their feet. Or on their feet for the first time.
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