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MrFribbles -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/11/2008 4:53:29 PM)

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Yes that is pretty ridiculous.

However, what about your health? Does God approve of a habit that damages the health?


All the things I mentioned can damage your health (though SUVs are a bit less noticeable) - if they're taken in excess. I would argue that almost anything, taken in excess, is potentially sinful. But, what exactly qualifies as "excess" will, at times, vary from person to person. I have a considerably low weight for my age, so it doesn't take a lot of alcohol to get me drunk compared to others around my age, so to me, "excess" drinking will be less than many of my friends.

Anyway, you seemed to have missed my main point - you claim that those convictions are silly, but there are brothers and sisters in the faith out there who hold those areas as being sinful just as seriously as you hold that metal and screamo are sinful. You, however, ridicule those convictions. Why? My guess would be, it's because the Holy Spirit hasn't led you to share in their convictions, just as He has not led me, personally, to share in yours.



glimmerinthedark -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/12/2008 5:28:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stellaluna
My personality was likely shaped long before I was old enough to have a musical preference.


As was mine. Yet you can't say that your personality stays the same from when you're a child, to when you're an adult. You have a certain personality from childhood, that changes and is undeniably shaped by music (as well as other things). Music plays a huge role.



glimmerinthedark -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/12/2008 6:21:08 AM)

Why isn't everyone conformed to one image of Christ, instead of the many variations of His image? I believe this is because there is only one true image of Christ, yet many want to bend and twist it to match their own preference and desire (idolatry). Are we not supposed to stand out as Christians, instead of blending in with the world?



glimmerinthedark -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/12/2008 6:23:47 AM)

Fribbles,

You say that you were once in the same position I am. I respect you and what you have to say since your my elder. So can you please tell me what exactly brought you to your change of mind.



stellaluna -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/12/2008 8:42:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: glimmerinthedark

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ORIGINAL: stellaluna
My personality was likely shaped long before I was old enough to have a musical preference.


As was mine. Yet you can't say that your personality stays the same from when you're a child, to when you're an adult. You have a certain personality from childhood, that changes and is undeniably shaped by music (as well as other things). Music plays a huge role.

I actually can say that my personality now is very similar to my personality as a child. Ask my mother. And I also can say that music did not play a "huge" role in that. I think you give music way too much credit.



MrFribbles -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/12/2008 11:56:04 AM)

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Why isn't everyone conformed to one image of Christ, instead of the many variations of His image?


I would say it's because God did not make cookie-cutter Christians. He enjoys it when we express our creativity and individuality as His children.
If I may use an illustration - there is only one way to write a sonnet. It has to have a certain number of lines, and those lines need to have a certain rhythm and rhyming scheme. If it doesn't meet these requirements, then it is falling short of being a sonnet. But within those guidelines, there is almost literally infinite possibilities about what a sonnet can express!
In a similar way - there is only one absolute image of Christ. The way to adhere to this image is explicitly stated in Scripture with its guidelines and instructions for our life. Anyone who fails to live up to the explicit commands of Scripture is falling short of the image of Christ (which, heh, we all are, to some degree or another). But within those commands, there is immense freedom to live our lives as individuals for Christ, with personal likes, dislikes, gifts and talents, and yes, convictions.
God loves unifying diversity, not demanding uniformity.

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You say that you were once in the same position I am. I respect you and what you have to say since your my elder. So can you please tell me what exactly brought you to your change of mind.


I think it came about when I realized something along the lines of what I outlined above. God doesn't want us all worshiping Him in the exact same way. Just because a certain approach is unconventional doesn't make it any less pleasing in God's eyes.
Another part of it came from really accepting that no musical style is inherently wrong. If it were, then we have to open the door to any other number of things being inherently wrong - styles of painting, genre of story, subject of non-fiction writing, etc.
And finally and probably greatest, I really studied Romans 14. To me, there's just no room for condemning something universally that is not similarly explicitly condemned in Scripture.



kernsfamily -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/12/2008 12:25:37 PM)

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Music is also what shapes your personality, your style, your thinking, ect.


your personality/style/thinking shapes what type of music you are more apt to PREFER....

not the other way around



MrFribbles -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/12/2008 5:12:04 PM)

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your personality/style/thinking shapes what type of music you are more apt to PREFER....

not the other way around


I think it goes both ways. The media we choose to take in does have an affect on who we are. And if we fill our lives with something God is convicting us away from, then it will have a negative affect on who we are. Obviously that doesn't just involve music - it could be movies/TV, painting, theater, or in my case, video games. It would be foolish to underestimate the power media can have on our lives.



musicboss11 -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/12/2008 6:27:13 PM)

If a feeling makes certian music a sin, than there are some CCM artists and groups that are sinful (in my opinion) based on the way they make me feel. Therefore, everyone should stop listening to them because I don't like how they make me feel? That seems to be what is being said. Feel free to correct me if I'm misunderstanding.



HisFish -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/12/2008 8:28:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: glimmerinthedark

Why isn't everyone conformed to one image of Christ, instead of the many variations of His image? I believe this is because there is only one true image of Christ, yet many want to bend and twist it to match their own preference and desire (idolatry). Are we not supposed to stand out as Christians, instead of blending in with the world?

Well said.



davemiller7 -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/13/2008 10:35:24 AM)

But isn't putting Christian, or somewhat Christian, lyrics to rock 'n' roll music "blending in with the world?" The same goes for wearing tee shirts and blue jeans to church (if you do indeed own better clothing).

I'm sure this will garner flames, but oh well! Just my humble opinion.............

-Dave

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ORIGINAL: glimmerinthedark

Why isn't everyone conformed to one image of Christ, instead of the many variations of His image? I believe this is because there is only one true image of Christ, yet many want to bend and twist it to match their own preference and desire (idolatry). Are we not supposed to stand out as Christians, instead of blending in with the world?



doinkdom -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/13/2008 10:41:35 AM)

IMO, we all have our personal forms of legalism. Music is not one for me.

However, that doesn't mean that I don't have my own lil legalism moments when it comes to other areas of my life that I simply don't understand how someone calling themselves a Christian can do.

The only difference might be is a recognizition for what it is - a personal conviction for my own sanctification.



Conundrum -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/13/2008 11:23:37 AM)

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But isn't putting Christian, or somewhat Christian, lyrics to rock 'n' roll music "blending in with the world?"


If a Christian writes the music, not just the lyrics, is it still "worldly" music? What about certain music is "worldly"? Is it the beat? The chords?

Do we all need to write classical music?

What music is "godly"?



MrFribbles -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/13/2008 11:29:24 AM)

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The same goes for wearing tee shirts and blue jeans to church (if you do indeed own better clothing).


Oooh... Heh, no, I will refrain. It would be too off topic. So, I'll make a new thread!



glimmerinthedark -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/14/2008 4:24:39 AM)

So far, my challenge is still standing. If anyone can find a metal or screamo song that can inspire me to be more Christ like, please tell me.

Just to make things clear, i'm not against rock and roll. I already stated that I have neutral standing on the subject. I'm asking other's opinions on it. Can someone please go to google, and search "Christian rock exposed". Give me your opinions on what the writer says. The only thing that makes me uncomfortable, are the occultic symbols and writings found on some cd cases.



whatislove -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/14/2008 7:24:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stellaluna

I think you give music way too much credit.


I think you underestimate music a little too much.



ta_mosquito -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/14/2008 10:17:16 AM)

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If anyone can find a metal or screamo song that can inspire me to be more Christ like, please tell me.


If for you it's uninspiring, then it's uninspiring for you. However, another MAY find it inspiring.

Romans 14. [;)]



humbleinspirit -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/14/2008 11:03:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: glimmerinthedark

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ORIGINAL: humbleinspirit

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ORIGINAL: Heavendweller

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ORIGINAL: 1love1God1way

I was led INTO Christian heavy metal by the Spirit. . .

How about that?

One of us must be wrong.

Can one be a "head banger, mosh pit, scream-at-the-top-of-yer-lungs" Christian? Yeeeaaaahhhh, alriiiiiiight, Jeeeeesuuuuuuuus! Yeeeaaahhhh!

Heavendweller


Yes.


No. At that point, you would be no different than Todd Bentley. He was demon possesed, and was cursing, jumping around , drooling, yelling, and yet, saying "I love Jesus".


I have no idea who that is, and nor do I really care either. The Bible says some preach the Gospel for personal gain, however Paul said whatever the reason, as long as the Gospel is preached then that is a good thing.



1love1God1way -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/14/2008 12:37:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: glimmerinthedark

So far, my challenge is still standing. If anyone can find a metal or screamo song that can inspire me to be more Christ like, please tell me.



This wasn't quite the song I was looking for, I have one that is even more worshipful from the same band, but couldn't find the lyrics, and didn't feel like typing them all out myself.

They are a metal band called Fasedown. By their very CD cover, I'm sure you would think they are of the devil.

Every song on their album is coupled with Scripture and an explanation to writing their song, except one, which was written about some genocide that would take place, and why the body of Christ needs to step up and help the women and children.

Anyway, although not even their best song, here are the lyrics:

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It is for Freedom That Christ has set us free, so then let us not be burdened by the yoke of slavery. Mark my words, it is not wise to be circumcised, to be justified by the law that we must abide. Yeah, alienated from Christ we have fallen away from grace, but faith eagerly awaits the spirit of righteousness we hope to face. For Christ neither circumcised nor the others have any value. What counts is faith expressing itself through love and truth.

We Were Running the good race, what kept us from the truth? Persuasion of the dark one. For the Lord we take no other view.

The one who brings confusion will pay the penalty whoever he may be, but all the while, while I preach the law do you still persecute me? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished by the law. For those who agitate go the whole way and emasculate yourselves. You my brothers the appointed were called to rise up and be free, but do not use your freedom to indulge in sin and betray. Rather serve one another and lift each up in love. The entire law is written as this: To love your neighbor as yourself.

We Were Running the good race, what kept us from the truth? Persuasion of the dark one. For the Lord we take no other view.

I will live by the spirit (4x). I Live by the spirit (4x). Spirit (4x).



davemiller7 -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/14/2008 3:06:58 PM)

Ah, methinks it is the intent behind the music or lyrics writing.-Dave

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ORIGINAL: Conundrum

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But isn't putting Christian, or somewhat Christian, lyrics to rock 'n' roll music "blending in with the world?"


If a Christian writes the music, not just the lyrics, is it still "worldly" music? What about certain music is "worldly"? Is it the beat? The chords?

Do we all need to write classical music?

What music is "godly"?



davemiller7 -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/14/2008 3:12:38 PM)

Please beware that Old Scratch will also try to appeal to us in that way. He is known as a great liar, counterfitter, etc. He will use any means necessary to gain your trust. And all that glitters is not gold (to coin a phrase [;)] )

-Dave

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ORIGINAL: 1love1God1way

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ORIGINAL: glimmerinthedark

So far, my challenge is still standing. If anyone can find a metal or screamo song that can inspire me to be more Christ like, please tell me.



This wasn't quite the song I was looking for, I have one that is even more worshipful from the same band, but couldn't find the lyrics, and didn't feel like typing them all out myself.

They are a metal band called Fasedown. By their very CD cover, I'm sure you would think they are of the devil.

Every song on their album is coupled with Scripture and an explanation to writing their song, except one, which was written about some genocide that would take place, and why the body of Christ needs to step up and help the women and children.

Anyway, although not even their best song, here are the lyrics:

quote:


It is for Freedom That Christ has set us free, so then let us not be burdened by the yoke of slavery. Mark my words, it is not wise to be circumcised, to be justified by the law that we must abide. Yeah, alienated from Christ we have fallen away from grace, but faith eagerly awaits the spirit of righteousness we hope to face. For Christ neither circumcised nor the others have any value. What counts is faith expressing itself through love and truth.

We Were Running the good race, what kept us from the truth? Persuasion of the dark one. For the Lord we take no other view.

The one who brings confusion will pay the penalty whoever he may be, but all the while, while I preach the law do you still persecute me? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished by the law. For those who agitate go the whole way and emasculate yourselves. You my brothers the appointed were called to rise up and be free, but do not use your freedom to indulge in sin and betray. Rather serve one another and lift each up in love. The entire law is written as this: To love your neighbor as yourself.

We Were Running the good race, what kept us from the truth? Persuasion of the dark one. For the Lord we take no other view.

I will live by the spirit (4x). I Live by the spirit (4x). Spirit (4x).



relady -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/14/2008 3:19:30 PM)

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Do you even know how metal came about? It was dedicated satanic music.
Evidence please?

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Are we not supposed to stand out as Christians, instead of blending in with the world?
We are to be, among other things, light and salt. what does salt do when added to a dish...besides being a preservative? It flavors. But it does so by BLENDING with the dish to which it was added.



tafkam -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/14/2008 5:34:20 PM)

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But isn't putting Christian, or somewhat Christian, lyrics to rock 'n' roll music "blending in with the world?"


Fact. We all look like the world, to a certain degree. Is there anything about your hairstyle or dress that would instantly identify you if I met you on the street for the first time?

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So far, my challenge is still standing. If anyone can find a metal or screamo song that can inspire me to be more Christ like, please tell me.


That's kind of a useless challenge, isn't it, given the fact that you've already indicated your dislike for the music? But just because a Christian metal song doesn't edify you, that does not automatically mean that it cannot edify someone else.

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The only thing that makes me uncomfortable, are the occultic symbols and writings found on some cd cases.


Is this poor dead horse still being trotted out? With the number of decorative fonts that are available to graphic designers, it's pretty much certain that SOME of them might resemble a design that has it's roots in occultism or paganism, or whatever "-ism" you care to name. Apparently those with WAY too much time on their hands have chosen CD cover fonts as their particular witch hunt.



1love1God1way -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/14/2008 5:46:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: davemiller7

Please beware that Old Scratch will also try to appeal to us in that way. He is known as a great liar, counterfitter, etc. He will use any means necessary to gain your trust. And all that glitters is not gold (to coin a phrase [;)] )

-Dave




If this comment is serious about what I posted, then I don't think I can take you serious anymore.



Conundrum -> RE: Rock n' roll? (6/14/2008 6:50:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: davemiller7

Ah, methinks it is the intent behind the music or lyrics writing.-Dave

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ORIGINAL: Conundrum

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But isn't putting Christian, or somewhat Christian, lyrics to rock 'n' roll music "blending in with the world?"


If a Christian writes the music, not just the lyrics, is it still "worldly" music? What about certain music is "worldly"? Is it the beat? The chords?

Do we all need to write classical music?

What music is "godly"?


So, what you're saying is that if a Christian writes "rock 'n' roll music" with Christian lyrics, it's okay and "godly" since the intent behind it is Christian?

Good. We agree. [;)]



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