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earthless -> RE: Anyone here a Profet/Profetess? (5/8/2008 1:01:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kingdust

There may be no office of prophet but God still uses ordinary believer to convey His words not recorded in the Bible yet still from His heart.



A resounding amen! [:)]




RJR_fan -> RE: Anyone here a Profet/Profetess? (5/8/2008 9:15:21 PM)

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it is a gift that has suffered abuse. Pride and prophecy are an ugly combination.


Someone I know very well discovered that he could exercise the charismatic gift of prophecy. Ego got into the picture, abuse ensued, followed by nervous breakdown.

God's gifts are not to be trifled with.

(the story has a happy ending, BTW.)




SonInMe1 -> RE: Anyone here a Profet/Profetess? (5/8/2008 9:49:24 PM)

Look at the OT prophets....nuff said. It ain't an easy gig.




Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Anyone here a Profet/Profetess? (5/9/2008 1:04:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1
Look at the OT prophets....nuff said. It ain't an easy gig.

No kidding. Those who want so badly to be purveyors of spontaneous "words of foretelling" from the L-rd show their ignorance of the Scriptures, unless they are just that reliant upon the fact that we can't stone them these days.




Ezra -> RE: Anyone here a Profet/Profetess? (5/9/2008 1:32:01 AM)

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unless they are just that reliant upon the fact that we can't stone them these days.


And here I thought that Torah-observant Jews would follow the Torah to the letter.

IOW we can accommodate the Torah to the times.




Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Anyone here a Profet/Profetess? (5/9/2008 1:37:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ezra
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unless they are just that reliant upon the fact that we can't stone them these days.


And here I thought that Torah-observant Jews would follow the Torah to the letter.

IOW we can accommodate the Torah to the times.

Hee-hee-hee! Sorry! I don't have a pile of stones in the ready!

No, there are teachings/commands that are specific to life while in Israel, and there are teachings/commands that are for life wherever one is. Many teachings/commands cannot be carried out because there is no Temple as well. When I do the commanded feasts, for example, some of them are to be done at the Temple. Well, since there is no Temple, that is impossible. Therefore, what I do is not that feast but a reasonable facsimile, outside of the Land, without sacrifice. It's not really doing them; it's practicing them, so that I will have a better understanding and will learn from them.




Ezra -> RE: Anyone here a Profet/Profetess? (5/9/2008 1:40:12 AM)

BTW how did Prophet/Prophetess get garbled to Profet/Profetess? Or was that an exercise in phonetics?




Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Anyone here a Profet/Profetess? (5/9/2008 1:42:48 AM)

I just thought it was spelled differently from the beginning, but maybe not!!




earthless -> RE: Anyone here a Profet/Profetess? (5/9/2008 8:20:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ezra

BTW how did Prophet/Prophetess get garbled to Profet/Profetess? Or was that an exercise in phonetics?


The misspelling of it has been driving my OCD'ness batty since the thread was first created.




DaveW -> RE: Anyone here a Profet/Profetess? (5/9/2008 8:24:22 AM)

I thought the mis-spelling was intentional, to combine prophet with profit.....You know, how the prophets of a certain-group-that-has- its-own-1- stop-threads are concerned with profits.




kingdust -> RE: Anyone here a Profet/Profetess? (5/9/2008 8:57:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ezra

BTW how did Prophet/Prophetess get garbled to Profet/Profetess? Or was that an exercise in phonetics?


They didn't have to garble anything to utter a prophecy because it always has something to do with new things which never were before.
So, only option is either believe or not, or wait and see, which is not very practical to decide ‘true or false’, realistically and timely.

It is just that they had more guts to claim what they believe was from the Lord.
That is a good quality in another time and place, but not good when a person is not in close relationship with God, being close to His heart and knows His voice, like Isaiah who had to walk around nakedness for 3 years or like Hosea who had to marry a whore, in obedience according to the voice of God they believed as His, not own or satan’s.

If you were to see a person walking around naked claiming that God said so, how would you know for sure that the person is doing the will of God, from a third person point of view?
If no such thing never happened and recorded, there is no way to refer to validate.

God said or not is one thing and believe or not is another.
You can get some interesting results if you pair up the 2 possibilities on both side- claimer and believer.

God said and I believe, God said not and I believe, God said and I don’t believe and God said not and I don’t believe.
It is a very simple method to analyze a prophecy, but in reality, it involves a tough decision making, if not impractical and unrealistic.

The reason why I said that is that either the claimer or believer faces the imagination in our heart plus the deceitful heart.
In there all kinds of voices are sounding all kinds of thoughts.
No doubt there is one true voice of God in the midst of the multitude.
Just like the old false prophets had to deal with their imaginations from own spirit, we as believers face the same giant imaginations from own giant spirit in the way to the one and only true voice of God.

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EZE 13:1 The word of the LORD came to me: [2] "Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: `Hear the word of the LORD! [3] This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing!


Christianity is neither like Islam which has the last prophet, meaning Allah is no talking no more after the last speaker, nor like LDS which added more prophecies to the sealed Bible, which was forbidden.
It is only that God removed the title of prophet and allows any believer to prophesy whenever the Spirit of God came upon whomever.

It is not that God needs to add more to His completed thoughts in the Bible or to correct any mistake He made, but that He still is doing the same thing He has been doing- talking to His people. (Mis-translation or mis-interpretation is an exception)
If one is not in close distance to hear, then, it is logical for Him to send someone to carry His messages.

If you are not convinced, consider an old prophecy of ‘I have plans for you’.
Is anything recorded in the Bible in regard to your personal planning from God?

When I got out of the Army at Ft. Knox, KY, I planed to go to Florida, but my wife who was, is closer to God than me told me that God told her to go to NY.
Surely that is not written in the Bible for me to validate.
However, when we believed and obeyed, it was like a table all set for us in NY.

It was only possible because my wife was in close contact with God, and was able to identify the voice of God and had a gut to proclaim.
She didn’t say like ‘Thus saith the Lord’, but convincingly.
That is my perspective, though.
I guess God worked on both, like He let her to heed His voice and worked on me to go with her.
In this case, my wife worked as a prophetess.

What do you think?




Kath -> RE: Anyone here a Prophet/Prophetess? (5/9/2008 9:27:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ezra

BTW how did Prophet/Prophetess get garbled to Profet/Profetess? Or was that an exercise in phonetics?



It was spelled correctly in the OP but it looks like it was changed in the second post. Anyone can change a title.

Back to your regularly scheduled topic.




DaveW -> RE: Anyone here a Prophet/Prophetess? (5/9/2008 11:55:58 AM)

It actually looks like the OP went back and fixed it after the 2nd post was submitted. He quotes her with the misspellings.




Kath -> RE: Anyone here a Prophet/Prophetess? (5/9/2008 11:58:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DaveW

It actually looks like the OP went back and fixed it after the 2nd post was submitted. He quotes her with the misspellings.


ah! you are right. My apologies for the error and jumping to conclusions. [&o]




Dakotasunbeam -> RE: Anyone here a Profet/Profetess? (5/11/2008 12:36:00 AM)

To the OP:

(Italics mine)
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Earthless wrote:

What I am judging is that the Word of God for all of mankind is complete and closed - it is not open and waiting for RHEMA (revelation knowledge).


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Earthless wrote:
I am not doing any justice to my posts here. What I mean is that the threads I linked you to more than reveal why I do not accept the role of people today having the actual Office of Apostle or the Office of Prophet.


Beware of those who tell you to dismiss certain parts of the Bible. The work of a prophet is clearly outlined in both the old testament and the new testament right along side the role of an evangelist and teacher. Many sincerely believe what they say, but it is our job as believers to believe what the Word of God says first. Just because one or even a few men have not experienced that gift is no indication to dismiss the words of our Lord. We cannot know if they are believers or unbelievers who have never experienced such. So our source must always be the Word of God. Those who say this are using circular reasoning, because they conclude that because they have not seen it (in their experience), it therefore has ceased. That is an encouragement to follow experience instead of the logos (written) Word of God which clearly lists prophets along side teachers and evangelists.

You will find this doctrine in many churches and among many learned men. But to study and learn how the prophecy works and more about it, I encourage you to study your Bible--and not the words of men. What does your Bible say? There will always be doubting thomases . . . God may have to let them put their hand in His side at some point . . . but do not let their doubt become yours.

Saturate yourself in the word of God. Get a concordance, look up the words: prophet, prophetess, seer, vision, dreams, dreamer, prophecy, and prophesy. Study their application, read the scriptures in context. God will teach you!

God bless you!




SonInMe1 -> RE: Anyone here a Profet/Profetess? (5/11/2008 1:56:52 AM)

The bible warns against false prophets.

I think there were many back then...and there are many today.




kingdust -> RE: Anyone here a Profet/Profetess? (5/11/2008 7:05:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1

The bible warns against false prophets.

I think there were many back then...and there are many today.


Yes, truly so.
Guess whom God uses to give warnings?
The true prophets of God.

I mentioned about my wife once being a prophetess, saying, 'God wants us to go to NY'.

Surely, you can't find the word 'NY' in the Bible.

But, what is the difference between Moses who said, 'God wants us to go to the promised land' and my wife who said, 'God wants us to go to NY'?

When our church building with 1300 seats was packed beyond the capacity, utilizing the lobby with folding chairs and TV monitors, even standing on the side, extending into 4 services, our pastors looked all over the downtown Brooklyn to find a bigger building.
Building a new building was out of picture not only because of the huge cost but also of the new building codes that requires a parking lot big enough in proportion to the size of building.

Where in downtown area was a building suitable for us?
WE can't go out of city because most of the congratulation are poor and in need of public transportation to come to church.

They looked into a huge building abandoned by the NY daily News which moved to NJ, several blocks away and another theater building in bad shape, like roof was leaking, a mile away in the heart of the downtown where no church loves to go, good for shopping bad for living.

Which way would you go?

Finally, after a lot of prayer, my pastor said, 'We go to the heart of the downtown'!
Did we have the money?
Yes, way too short.

How could he know to go extra one mile to a ruined theater building, not to go several blocks to a fairly good and strong building, is the will of God, which of course is not worded in the Bible.
What is your common sense telling?

Who was to know the area with the Daily News building is condemned, a few years later, now, by the city code of eminent domain for a developer to knock down every buildings to build a new stadium for Nets?

How would you know where to go without prophesy from God saying, 'This is the way, walk in it'?




oldmethuselah -> Many may have missed the ENTIRE point! (5/11/2008 7:28:45 AM)

Don't you folks know PROFET is a word?

As in "Creflo Dollar is a PROFET"

ROFL

BTW this particular "silly thought" IS completely in keeping with some earlier serious comments by myself and others...

insofar as there are LOTS of "PROPHETS" who are in it for the "PROFIT" - a fact that several post-ers have alluded to.

Having worked for a world reknown TV evangelist (Paul B. Smith) who drove a 6 year old rusty Gremlin and lived in modest one bedroom, (I can assure you that not ALL TV evangelists are gimmick driven) but, I must say, MOST make me throw up with their perversion of the truth.

p.s. in case you DON'T know who Paul B. Smith was, you should have seen who sent messages, and who eulogized him at his funeral (Ravi Zacharias among others)... Ah ... but THAT's the point, Paul would not have gloried in that... he pointed people to the ONE who DESERVES our praise... I think THAT may help people decide who IS a prophet and who is not... where do they focus their attention?




SonInMe1 -> RE: Many may have missed the ENTIRE point! (5/11/2008 9:29:28 AM)

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But, what is the difference between Moses who said, 'God wants us to go to the promised land' and my wife who said, 'God wants us to go to NY'?


The promise land had milk and honey. New York only has snow and weird accents.

[:D]




oldmethuselah -> A "NOMINAL EGG" (5/11/2008 1:06:49 PM)

SonInMe...

Apparently visitor to New York picked up the phrase "Nominal Egg" to refer to an expensive item...

as in "It'll cost a nominal egg"..

Only Later did he realize the New Yorker was trying to say...

"It will cost AN ARM AND A LEG" [:D]




Kath -> RE: a word from a Prophet/Prophetess (5/11/2008 1:08:20 PM)

This thread is NOT about false prophets. We have plenty of threads on that topic. Please do not discuss false prophets in this thread. The OP has specific questions she wants answered.

Is it true that the word you receive should confirm what you already know?
Has anyone ever received a word like this?
Was it a confirmation?




maddog4god -> RE: Anyone here a Profet/Profetess? (5/11/2008 1:18:36 PM)

Of course there are not "famous prophets" that is rather oxymoronic.

God is the only famous one -without him there would be no prophets.

I have been given many prophetic words for people - they are usually highly personalized (and sometimes often personal) and make little sense to me - the receiver typically knows exactly what it means which is as it should be. If they wish to share with me I listen, if not then that is okay too.

I do not consider myself a prophet (for the record) I am a pray-er.




SonInMe1 -> RE: Anyone here a Profet/Profetess? (5/11/2008 8:17:06 PM)

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Is it true that the word you receive should confirm what you already know?
Has anyone ever received a word like this?
Was it a confirmation?


I am not sure the people at Ninivah already knew they needed to repent.

The OT kings who killed God's messengers I am sure didn't know what they were doing.

I would say if what someone is saying to you is something you already know, then why would God send someone to say it to you...He already did by convicting you of it. Maybe its a reinforcement...I don't know but it seems to be...redundant.




EJA -> RE: Anyone here a Prophet/Prophetess? (5/12/2008 12:25:28 PM)

Hi christsgirl,

What is the name of the Prophetess who gave you the word? I would like to research her, her associations and theology.

I would stress you do the same.




Dakotasunbeam -> RE: Anyone here a Profet/Profetess? (5/14/2008 12:20:01 AM)

Good point, SonInMe

Handily, the Bible tells us how to spot false ones and real ones. God's word is complete.
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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1

The bible warns against false prophets.

I think there were many back then...and there are many today.


Oldmeth,

I'm not sure about the quotation boxes, but I certainly was not trying to disparge you.[:)]




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