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freakofnature -> Liberal peace loving activism (5/7/2008 10:26:22 AM)
We just have to do something about those intrusive pro-life memorials.... I know, "Destroy THEM!! Then we can show the world how we love peace and understanding. And how everyone's view is accepted and appreciated... ACCEPT THOSE DARN BABY LOVERS!!!!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5NeLyMZUYM

TomTurn -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/7/2008 11:23:03 AM)
modern liberalism is not about "free speech" it is about "approved speech"

Evangel70 -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/7/2008 11:44:07 AM)
quote: We just have to do something about those intrusive pro-life memorials.... I know, "Destroy THEM!! Then we can show the world how we love peace and understanding. And how everyone's view is accepted and appreciated... ACCEPT THOSE DARN BABY LOVERS!!!!" Was this "memorial" on the private property of the "pro-lifers"? If so, then we should definitely be upset with those who are tearing the crosses down. If the crosses were put up on public property or property that we NOT that of the "pro-lifers" then, of course, they should be taken down and those who put them up fined for trespassing. Free speech works both ways.

freakofnature -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/7/2008 11:55:56 AM)
http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080502/WDH0101/805020560/1981 Pointers for Life reserved the space but didn't mark its sponsorship of the exhibit. King said the exhibit appeared university-sponsored rather than from a single group. At King's request, students eventually posted a sign reading, "Sponsored by Pointers for Life."

rhippie -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/7/2008 12:21:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Evangel70 quote: We just have to do something about those intrusive pro-life memorials.... I know, "Destroy THEM!! Then we can show the world how we love peace and understanding. And how everyone's view is accepted and appreciated... ACCEPT THOSE DARN BABY LOVERS!!!!" Was this "memorial" on the private property of the "pro-lifers"? If so, then we should definitely be upset with those who are tearing the crosses down. If the crosses were put up on public property or property that we NOT that of the "pro-lifers" then, of course, they should be taken down and those who put them up fined for trespassing. Free speech works both ways. Edited by rhippie to avoid a TOS violation!!!!

1love1God1way -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/7/2008 12:30:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Evangel70 quote: We just have to do something about those intrusive pro-life memorials.... I know, "Destroy THEM!! Then we can show the world how we love peace and understanding. And how everyone's view is accepted and appreciated... ACCEPT THOSE DARN BABY LOVERS!!!!" Was this "memorial" on the private property of the "pro-lifers"? If so, then we should definitely be upset with those who are tearing the crosses down. If the crosses were put up on public property or property that we NOT that of the "pro-lifers" then, of course, they should be taken down and those who put them up fined for trespassing. Free speech works both ways. From what it looks like in the video and the pictures (I've visited this campus multiple times), it is located right out in front on the campus's grounds, making it neutral grounds. I don't know the particular rules of the institute, and what is considered acceptable on the campus grounds as far as being able to put up this display or any other. They would have been better off just going across the street where all the college houses are. It would have been as easily have seen, and privately owned, if they would have just gotten permission.

Jhud -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/7/2008 12:41:42 PM)
quote: Was this "memorial" on the private property of the "pro-lifers"? If so, then we should definitely be upset with those who are tearing the crosses down. If the crosses were put up on public property or property that we NOT that of the "pro-lifers" then, of course, they should be taken down and those who put them up fined for trespassing. Free speech works both ways. Even if this were the case it's not the job of a student to take this into his own hands.

mapachito13 -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/7/2008 12:44:12 PM)
Looks like Roderick's view of "freedom of speech" is destruction. I guess he couldn't come up with a more contructive way to protest against something he doesn't believe in. He reminded me of when my boys were 2-3 years old and would throw tantrums. And his crack about not knowing who was sposoring the cemetary and assuming his tuition dollars were going to pay for it shows how quickly he will resort to violence even if he doesn't have all the facts. If it wasn't OK'd by the university I am sure campus security would have been asking them to take it down the day it was set up.

ik3900 -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/7/2008 1:19:40 PM)
I think it's unfortunate that the term liberal has been so ****ized by politics that it is now associated with the polar opposite behavior of its original meaning. To say that someone is liberal and therefore opposed to free speech is in fact an oxymoron. I consider myself liberal (for the most part) and with regard to speech I think that it should be unregulated. The philosophy being that if someone has something to say which is socially unacceptable they will in the end sideline themselves to the point of social exclusion. Westborough Baptist Church are a good example of this. Edited to add: It also appears that my description of how the word "liberal" has been distorted has been censored in case someone mistakes it for a rude word! Irony score......9.8!

TomTurn -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/7/2008 1:25:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ik3900 I think it's unfortunate that the term liberal has been so ****ized by politics that it is now associated with the polar opposite behavior of its original meaning. To say that someone is liberal and therefore opposed to free speech is in fact an oxymoron. I consider myself liberal (for the most part) and with regard to speech I think that it should be unregulated. The philosophy being that if someone has something to say which is socially unacceptable they will in the end sideline themselves to the point of social exclusion. Westborough Baptist Church are a good example of this. Understood but the word has been hijacked and turned to such a point that the meaning has now become = to progressive, socialist and even marxist and it will never come back. Hence as I said above "modern liberalism" JFK was a liberal, yet if you listen to his words in speeches you would swear it was Ronald Reagan speaking. JFK stood for everything from lower taxes for a stronger economy to the formation of milita's

ik3900 -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/7/2008 1:41:02 PM)
I thought that was the case. It's just interesting to me (a non American) that in the US the word liberal has come to mean something more akin to "annoyingly politically correct"[:D]! I know exactly the type of people who are referred to, we have them here too. I just don't think they're particularly "liberal".

GroupW -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/7/2008 1:41:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ik3900 I think it's unfortunate that the term liberal has been so ****ized by politics that it is now associated with the polar opposite behavior of its original meaning. To say that someone is liberal and therefore opposed to free speech is in fact an oxymoron. I consider myself liberal (for the most part) and with regard to speech I think that it should be unregulated. The philosophy being that if someone has something to say which is socially unacceptable they will in the end sideline themselves to the point of social exclusion. Westborough Baptist Church are a good example of this. Edited to add: It also appears that my description of how the word "liberal" has been distorted has been censored in case someone mistakes it for a rude word! Irony score......9.8! As someone who could be described as liberal (really a mix of classical liberal and modern liberal), I agree wholeheartedly on the statement re: defense of free speech. I might not like your speech, but I will fight to the death for your ability to say it freely, including the Westborough Baptist Church which I find offensive. Love the edit! Very amusing.

rnershigh -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/7/2008 3:18:35 PM)
Well, I think it was mentioned in the video that the group had permission to set up there. That student is nuts. He is throwing a tantrum because some people have a different opinion than his own. So it's okay for some groups to march for abortion and not groups that oppose it to have their own gathering? When did it become, "Only my opinions and perspectives are the right ones that deserve to be heard"?

freakofnature -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/7/2008 3:41:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rnershigh Well, I think it was mentioned in the video that the group had permission to set up there. That student is nuts. He is throwing a tantrum because some people have a different opinion than his own. So it's okay for some groups to march for abortion and not groups that oppose it to have their own gathering? When did it become, "Only my opinions and perspectives are the right ones that deserve to be heard"? In the 60's and 70's. Vietnam protesters, women's lib types, abortion rights activist. Shoutdown any decentors, you can't let them have a word in otherwise, "My argument may actually be weak."

rnershigh -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/7/2008 6:18:02 PM)
It's obvious that people that behave in that fashion are so insecure in their position that they can't have any dissenters or differences of opinions around. No way will they even hear of someone else believing differently as they, it will disrupt their little world where everyone thinks or believes as they do.[8D] You know, I welcome discussions with others that believe differently than me. I get to learn more about a different perspective or see the same issue at a different light that helps me understand from another's point of view. Trying to silence another's voice because you don't agree with them is wrong and really deplorable behavior, especially when tactics like the one shown in the video are used.

ljmac -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/8/2008 12:57:11 PM)
This is routine stuff. A few years ago a teacher did a similar thing. I think it was at the University of Kentucky. Whenever GAP (Genesis Awareness Project) shows up on a campus, they are frequently met by pro-abortionists who try to obstruct others from seeing the displays. And then there's the whole notion of a "bubble" zone around abortuaries, where pro-life people aren't allowed to protest, picket or pray.

davemiller7 -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/8/2008 4:44:49 PM)
Modern "liberalism" is all about control of "the masses" by the "enlightened." Can we say ELITISTS? quote: ORIGINAL: ik3900 I think it's unfortunate that the term liberal has been so ****ized by politics that it is now associated with the polar opposite behavior of its original meaning. To say that someone is liberal and therefore opposed to free speech is in fact an oxymoron. I consider myself liberal (for the most part) and with regard to speech I think that it should be unregulated. The philosophy being that if someone has something to say which is socially unacceptable they will in the end sideline themselves to the point of social exclusion. Westborough Baptist Church are a good example of this. Edited to add: It also appears that my description of how the word "liberal" has been distorted has been censored in case someone mistakes it for a rude word! Irony score......9.8!

ljmac -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/8/2008 5:38:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ljmac This is routine stuff. A few years ago a teacher did a similar thing. I think it was at the University of Kentucky. Whenever GAP (Genesis Awareness Project) shows up on a campus, they are frequently met by pro-abortionists who try to obstruct others from seeing the displays. And then there's the whole notion of a "bubble" zone around abortuaries, where pro-life people aren't allowed to protest, picket or pray. April, 2006 A college professor has been put on leave and will retire at the end of the semester after admitting she told students to destroy an anti-abortion display on campus. Sally Jacobsen, a professor in the literature and language department at Northern Kentucky University, will not return to the school, President James Votruba said. http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/4/17/234851.shtml?s=ic

McFatty -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/9/2008 2:57:29 AM)
While personally I believe that liberals don't have everything right (and I assume many others here agree with that statement), you can't fault someone for loving peace.

ljmac -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/9/2008 12:52:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: McFatty While personally I believe that liberals don't have everything right (and I assume many others here agree with that statement), you can't fault someone for loving peace. 50 million unborn killed since Death Roe. That's not peace.

Marcus. -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/9/2008 3:31:31 PM)
That's the silence of the grave.

TomTurn -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/9/2008 3:51:10 PM)
The video of the men pulling up the crosses is a very good represntaion of their view on the unborn in the womb. Just something to pitch aside quickly and move on.

Marcus. -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/9/2008 3:55:12 PM)
Did you hear him something to the effect that you can't challenge abortion? It's 12 seconds in.

davemiller7 -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/9/2008 4:14:14 PM)
Peace is wonderful, but at what price? It's no bargain if we have to give up our rights to have peace. -Dave quote: ORIGINAL: McFatty While personally I believe that liberals don't have everything right (and I assume many others here agree with that statement), you can't fault someone for loving peace.

davemiller7 -> RE: Liberal peace loving activism (5/9/2008 4:16:44 PM)
I thought that's what I heard too, but the audio is kinda muffled. Pretty arrogant, huh? -Dave quote: ORIGINAL: Marcus. Did you hear him something to the effect that you can't challenge abortion? It's 12 seconds in.

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