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todd_t -> Shocker: Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Proven A Hoax (5/7/2008 8:06:09 PM)

Although, as expected, he bellowed on-air today that "Operation Chaos" was proven a grand success during the Indiana and North Carolina primaries, Rush Limbaugh never quite explained how Hillary narrowly beating Obama in Indiana and getting crushed by him in NC by 14 percentage points constitutes victory for his master plan to drag out Hillary's candidacy, and hobble the Democratic Party.

Hillary's bid is all over now - save for the proverbial shouting.

Limbaugh also did a bizarre 360 and asked his "Operation Chaos" folks to go after Obama now. How, I'm not sure considering he'll likely have the nomination sewed up by Memorial Day.

Nevertheless, on the televised coverage of the primaries last night, Chris Mathews had an interesting comment for anyone (like Limbaugh) who attempts to create "mischief" in elections. That is, by doing so such people are is insulting the sacrifices of Americans who have fought and died to ensure basic constitutional liberties (such as voting) by twisting them for partisan sport (be it liberal or conservative).

I don't often agree with Mathews, but IMO, he's dead right here.



TomTurn -> RE: Shocker: Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Proven A Hoax (5/7/2008 8:43:55 PM)

Was Rush keeping people from voting?



SovereignIsHe -> RE: Shocker: Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Proven A Hoax (5/7/2008 9:26:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: todd_t

Although, as expected, he bellowed on-air today that "Operation Chaos" was proven a grand success during the Indiana and North Carolina primaries, Rush Limbaugh never quite explained how Hillary narrowly beating Obama in Indiana and getting crushed by him in NC by 14 percentage points constitutes victory for his master plan to drag out Hillary's candidacy, and hobble the Democratic Party.

Hillary's bid is all over now - save for the proverbial shouting.

Limbaugh also did a bizarre 360 and asked his "Operation Chaos" folks to go after Obama now. How, I'm not sure considering he'll likely have the nomination sewed up by Memorial Day.

Nevertheless, on the televised coverage of the primaries last night, Chris Mathews had an interesting comment for anyone (like Limbaugh) who attempts to create "mischief" in elections. That is, by doing so such people are is insulting the sacrifices of Americans who have fought and died to ensure basic constitutional liberties (such as voting) by twisting them for partisan sport (be it liberal or conservative).

I don't often agree with Mathews, but IMO, he's dead right here.


I wonder how much mouthwash Chris Mathews had to use to get the taste out of his mouth after saying that? As if he cares...lol

John



todd_t -> RE: Shocker: Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Proven A Hoax (5/7/2008 9:49:15 PM)

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Was Rush keeping people from voting?


No, but he is advocating that his listeners switch parties for the express purpose of sandbagging (with little success, apparently) the electoral process.

By the way, what Limbaugh is suggesting is also illegal in various states including Kentucky, which is coming up on the Dems' primary calendar.



ElmerFishpaw -> RE: Shocker: Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Proven A Hoax (5/7/2008 9:56:59 PM)

Limbaugh is soooo 90's! His schtick was old 10 years ago. It is a insult (to advocate "sandbagging" I never knew that was the term .. thank you) to people who actually did service in the military....of course his story with the deferment is pretty well known.



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That is, by doing so such people are is insulting the sacrifices of Americans who have fought and died to ensure basic constitutional liberties (such as voting) by twisting them for partisan sport (be it liberal or conservative).





TomTurn -> RE: Shocker: Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Proven A Hoax (5/7/2008 10:09:27 PM)

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No, but he is advocating that his listeners switch parties for the express purpose of sandbagging (with little success, apparently) the electoral process.


Is that not a legal vote?

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By the way, what Limbaugh is suggesting is also illegal in various states including Kentucky, which is coming up on the Dems' primary calendar


Has this been done in States where it is illegal? Has he directed people to break the law in those states?



inthysite -> RE: Shocker: Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Proven A Hoax (5/7/2008 10:16:15 PM)

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Nevertheless, on the televised coverage of the primaries last night, Chris Mathews had an interesting comment for anyone (like Limbaugh) who attempts to create "mischief" in elections. That is, by doing so such people are is insulting the sacrifices of Americans who have fought and died to ensure basic constitutional liberties (such as voting) by twisting them for partisan sport (be it liberal or conservative).

I don't often agree with Mathews, but IMO, he's dead right here.


Where was Mathews when Democrats were voting in Republican primaries for John McCain? They don't seem to have a problem with the practice when they are doing it.

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Limbaugh also did a bizarre 360 and asked his "Operation Chaos" folks to go after Obama now. How, I'm not sure considering he'll likely have the nomination sewed up by Memorial Day.


Actually Rush was speaking directly to the Super Delegates and told them to go ahead and support Obama. Rush thinks that Obama is so damaged now that he will easily be beaten.

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By the way, what Limbaugh is suggesting is also illegal in various states including Kentucky, which is coming up on the Dems' primary calendar.


Actually Liberals want people to think that it is illegal. There may be a law in place but it would never hold up in a Constitutional challenge. You cannot restrict a persons right to vote, plus all voting is done by secret ballot so they can't even prove how you voted.

They try to say that they will compare you past registration and if it has changed for this election they your vote will be put aside as suspicious to be followed up later. However, they don't know which vote is yours because it is secret.

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No, but he is advocating that his listeners switch parties for the express purpose of sandbagging (with little success, apparently) the electoral process.


If it has had little success then why are the Liberals complaining.

I find it ironic and extremely funny that all this time the Liberals were laughing about this and saying that it had no effect, but now that Barack lost Indiana, a state they all thought he would win because Gary is like East Chicago, all of a sudden it's because of Operation Chaos.



freakofnature -> RE: Shocker: Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Proven A Hoax (5/8/2008 9:22:23 AM)

Actually, it appears that Limbaugh's plan worked to a tee...according to the Barak Obama people:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/07/limbaugh.obama/index.html

Some quotes from the article:

Sen. John Kerry -- an Obama supporter -- credited Clinton's win entirely to Limbaugh.

It remains unclear how much influence Limbaugh has actually wielded. The Obama campaign estimates 7 percent of Clinton's vote in Indiana could be attributed to crossover Republicans.



also see HERE

IndyStar.com (Indianapolis local newspaper) exit polling indicated that a full 10% of those voting for Hillary were in fact republican... She only won by 2% overall. Barak would have won Indiana and the primary would most assuredly had been over by now. Hillary would not stand a chance on any level at that point.

Otherwise, as long as liberals exist, Limbaugh will be relevant.



todd_t -> RE: Shocker: Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Proven A Hoax (5/8/2008 6:44:32 PM)

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Is that not a legal vote?


It all depends on where it is cast.

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Has this been done in States where it is illegal? Has he directed people to break the law in those states?


I don't know, but if the answer to question #2 is yes, I think the election board of that particular state might want to have a chat with Rush.



todd_t -> RE: Shocker: Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Proven A Hoax (5/8/2008 6:49:43 PM)

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Actually, it appears that Limbaugh's plan worked to a tee...according to the Barak Obama people:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/07/limbaugh.obama/index.html

Some quotes from the article:

Sen. John Kerry -- an Obama supporter -- credited Clinton's win entirely to Limbaugh.

It remains unclear how much influence Limbaugh has actually wielded. The Obama campaign estimates 7 percent of Clinton's vote in Indiana could be attributed to crossover Republicans.


Kerry should keep his mouth shut. He has no idea what he's talking about.

Hillary's win in Indiana or not, after the numerical dust settled Obama came away with both more elected delegates and popular votes. As a result, Hillary's campaign is now all but over.

If Limbaugh's zombie-like listeners had any real impact on last Tuesday, none of this would have happened.

I will give El Drugbo credit for one thing, though: he is a master of self-promotion.



rcjames -> RE: Shocker: Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Proven A Hoax (5/8/2008 7:06:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: todd_t
I will give El Drugbo credit for one thing, though: he is a master of self-promotion.


I also give him credit for giving you flaming liberals a really good case of diaper rash.

Thsnks
RC



ElmerFishpaw -> RE: Shocker: Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Proven A Hoax (5/8/2008 7:29:59 PM)

What on earth is a flaming Liberal? LOL
I'm left wing in my beliefs and the only time I really gave him a good listen he confused "liberal" and "left" (a pretty common thing in fairness to him) that tells you something right there. Frankly, I have no respect for someone getting off military service like him, not to mention the drug thing.


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ORIGINAL: rcjames

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ORIGINAL: todd_t
I will give El Drugbo credit for one thing, though: he is a master of self-promotion.


I also give him credit for giving you flaming liberals a really good case of diaper rash.

Thsnks
RC



TomTurn -> RE: Shocker: Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Proven A Hoax (5/8/2008 11:30:32 PM)

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but if the answer to question #2 is yes, I think the election board of that particular state might want to have a chat with Rush.


Under what jurisdiction would they have the right to even call him on the phone and ask how is the weather there?



freakofnature -> RE: Shocker: Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Proven A Hoax (5/9/2008 8:57:31 AM)

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If Limbaugh's zombie-like listeners had any real impact on last Tuesday, none of this would have happened.


I think you have missed the point of the operation. 1)It is to drag out the nomination process as looooong as possible. 2) Cause intertermoil and confusion in the democrat party

It has been a successfull campaign, but not a hoax by any means. If Barrak would've went on to win in Indiana, Hillary most assuredly would have seen the writing on the wall at that point. With her win in Indy, I believe she has a sense of hope and her attempts at this point in the race are to get the superdelegates to nominate her, the win in Indiana only puts another "Card" in her deck to convince those delegates that she is the better candidate.



1dblthnk02 -> RE: Shocker: Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Proven A Hoax (5/9/2008 9:28:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: todd_t
Nevertheless, on the televised coverage of the primaries last night, Chris Mathews had an interesting comment for anyone (like Limbaugh) who attempts to create "mischief" in elections. That is, by doing so such people are is insulting the sacrifices of Americans who have fought and died to ensure basic constitutional liberties (such as voting) by twisting them for partisan sport (be it liberal or conservative).

I'm glad Rush meddled. Maybe now more people will wake up to the fact that the whole primary process, and the election itself, are in dire need of reform.



freakofnature -> RE: Shocker: Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Proven A Hoax (5/9/2008 9:34:45 AM)

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I'm glad Rush meddled. Maybe now more people will wake up to the fact that the whole primary process, and the election itself, are in dire need of reform.


Wow! 1dblthink02. Very intuitive, and something you and I can agree 100%. National primary day in May or June 2 months or so prior to the conventions and 6 mos before general election. Have the Dems take a Monday and Repubs take the Tuesday, next day. BOOM! Whip your hands it is done.



1dblthnk02 -> RE: Shocker: Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Proven A Hoax (5/9/2008 10:21:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: freakofnature
Wow! 1dblthink02. Very intuitive, and something you and I can agree 100%.

Will miracles never cease?

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National primary day in May or June 2 months or so prior to the conventions and 6 mos before general election. Have the Dems take a Monday and Repubs take the Tuesday, next day. BOOM! Whip your hands it is done.

Well, I gotta love your plan's simplicity and brevity of time. So, no state or region goes first? It's all on Monday and Tuesday? I like it.

Now, if we only we could make the whole process actually beholden to the popular vote . . .



rcjames -> RE: Shocker: Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Proven A Hoax (5/9/2008 10:34:27 AM)

Rush's concern seems to be for all demokratic voters votes to count. Heis desire was for the process to go on until someone has a majority of the votes.

Just like happened with the Republicans where Huckabee stayed in the rece until McCain had a majority of the republican delagates.

Now because of Rush's sense of Justice and equality he is pushing for Mich. and Fla. votes to count. He is especially concerned for the minority voters in those states who are being ignored and thrown under a but by the Demokrat party leaders.

Praise God for Rush.

Thanks
RC



todd_t -> RE: Shocker: Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Proven A Hoax (5/9/2008 6:33:48 PM)

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I also give him credit for giving you flaming liberals a really good case of diaper rash.


So disliking Limbaugh makes me a liberal?

Sorry, Karnak. You missed.



todd_t -> RE: Shocker: Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Proven A Hoax (5/9/2008 6:41:16 PM)

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I believe she has a sense of hope and her attempts at this point in the race are to get the superdelegates to nominate her


A hope which has almost zero chance of success.

As of today, Obama now leads Hillary in superdelegates in addition to the popular vote and elected delegates.

There's no way the supers are going to revoke the nomination from Obama now despite Hillary's dreams to the contrary.

She's done.



inthysite -> RE: Shocker: Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" Proven A Hoax (5/9/2008 8:21:10 PM)

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There's no way the supers are going to revoke the nomination from Obama now despite Hillary's dreams to the contrary.


If this is the case then why aren't the rest of the Superdelegates announcing their support? What are they waiting for? From everything I've read the majority of the undeclared Superdelegates are going to wait until the primaries are over. If they've all decided to support Barack then why wait, wouldn't it be best for them to announce it now and get Hillary out of the race?



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