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P31W -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 2:54:36 PM)

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I don't define 1 out of 10 babies dying as safe.


In 2005 11.4 out of every 1,000 died before their first birthday.

We have been using the wrong stats.




tracydolls -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 4:01:28 PM)

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Our children are "safe".

OK so do you want a little medical background here? Half the babies born in Mississippi are to black women. For some unknown reason Black women tend to have high risk pregnancies. We don't exactly know the reason for this but it's across the board in the black community reguardless of education or income.

We are able to bring those "high risk" pregnancies to delivary. Still many are at low birth rate or are born with many health problem.

What percentage of "black" women are giving birth in other states? We must take that into consideration if we want to discover the reasons "why" more babies born during the first year of life in Miss. than in other states
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Ok, racism is involved, we know that.

Wheres the stats for the "half of babies born are black in Miss?

Wheres the stats that say it's the black community regardless of income and education.

I would love to see them.


Who's we?

Mississippi is 50 th in most everything including education and income.




Closie -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 6:40:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: P31W

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Are there none to protect the born?


Yes there are hundreds of them. For example you cannot take your child into the doctor's office and tell the doctor to suck it's brains out or put a knife in his head because you don't want the child any longer.

You cannot put your child in the middle of the road and leave them there.

You cannot give your child clorox to drink.

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I don't define 1 out of 10 babies dying as safe.


Our children are "safe".

OK so do you want a little medical background here? Half the babies born in Mississippi are to black women. For some unknown reason Black women tend to have high risk pregnancies. We don't exactly know the reason for this but it's across the board in the black community reguardless of education or income.

We are able to bring those "high risk" pregnancies to delivary. Still many are at low birth rate or are born with many health problem.

What percentage of "black" women are giving birth in other states? We must take that into consideration if we want to discover the reasons "why" more babies born during the first year of life in Miss. than in other states.


Do you and those politicans you support do as much for the babies born in your state for the 9 months following birth as you do for the 9 months prior to birth? With a 10% infant mortality rate, the highest in the country, there's a problem. You're saying it's black women's fault something in their bodies or genes. And that's it? Surely the attitude isn't "No big deal cause they're black babies"? I bet lots of the ones who die are born to teens who abuse drugs. Do those babies matter or just the nice white ones? As I said before, sterilize the mom but what about the baby? My point is that babies dying is a big deal. I don't want to support politicians who want abortion mills on every corner. Nor will I vote for one who doesn't speak just as loudly about infant mortality after birth. The issue should be dead babies - not when in their development they die.




P31W -> RE: My Political Vote (5/20/2008 8:43:39 AM)

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With a 10% infant mortality rate, the highest in the country, there's a problem.


AGAIN WE DON'T HAVE A 10% INFANT MORTALITY RATE.

WE HAVE A 1.14% INFANT MORTAILTY RATE




P31W -> RE: My Political Vote (5/20/2008 8:55:09 AM)

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Ok, racism is involved, we know that.
Well of course YOU would say that. I don't believe you are involved in a thread where you don't use "racism" as a reason for something.


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Wheres the stats that say it's the black community regardless of income and education.

I would love to see them.




http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102212092.html


Analysis of pregnancy outcomes among women enrolled in the South Carolina Medicaid high risk channeling project.

Schulman ED.

AHSR FHSR Annu Meet Abstr Book. 1994; 11: 98-9.
Graduate Program in Hospital and Health Administration, College of Medicine, University of Iowa, Iowa City 52242.

PROBLEM AND OBJECTIVES. The purpose of this study was to determine the relative impact of various demographic and medical characteristics, and prenatal interventions upon the birth outcomes of women enrolled in the South Carolina Medicaid High Risk Channeling Project. DATA AND METHODS. Pregnancy outcomes of women uninterruptedly enrolled in the South Carolina Medicaid High Risk Channeling Project between January 1, 1989 and June 30, 1991, were analyzed using multiple logistic regression to determine the likelihood of delivering a preterm infant (i.e., gestational age less than 37 complete weeks). The population studied was 5,012 matched mothers and infants; 1,763 white pairs and 3,249 black pairs. RESULTS AND CONCLUSIONS. Maternal age, parity, socioeconomic status, and infant sex were found to be non-significant. The odds of delivering preterm were 50% greater for black women. The mean gestational age was 37.3 weeks for black babies and 38.2 weeks for white babies. Black babies were more likely than white babies to die (1.9% vs. 1.5%), to be extremely premature or have Respiratory Distress Syndrome (3.7% vs. 3.0%), to be premature with a major problem (7.0% vs. 6.6%), to be premature without a major problem (8.2% vs. 7.0%), and to be term with a major problem (9.1% vs. 8.8%). White babies were more likely to be diagnosed as term with a significant problem (15.4% vs. 13.4%) and full term/normal (57.7% vs. 56.5%). Women having more than one identified risk factor were more predisposed to early deliveries than women having only one risk (odds ratio 1:4). Women who had a previous low birth weight infant were 1.5 times more likely to deliver preterm. Approximately 25% of the women in this study (n=1,234) had had a previous low birth weight infant and 75% of these women were black. Channeled women who had diabetes or upper renal tract disease were less likely to deliver preterm babies (odds ratios .7 and .6 respectively). These conditions were significantly more prevalent in white women. High risk women who received one nutritional education session and those receiving more than one session were less likely to deliver a preterm infant than women who received no nutritional education (odds ratios .8 and .6 respectively). In conclusion, this study confirmed other studies that report that black women are at higher risk for preterm deliveries even after controlling for various demographic and medical factors. This study highlighted the importance of prenatal nutritional education. IMPLICATIONS FOR AUDIENCE: The implications of this study will be discussed with respect to the planning and delivery of health care services to high risk Medicaid eligible women.


Above is just "one" of the many studied conducted over the past couple of decades. You can google is you want to know more.




P31W -> RE: My Political Vote (5/20/2008 9:29:59 AM)

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the highest in the country


To be factual here. Mississippi is the state with the highest infant mortality death rate- that being 11.4 per 1,000 births or 1.14%. The number one cause is low birth weight and the problems associated with that. FACTS say Black women are more likely to give birth to low birth weight babies no matter what health care or what their income is or education.......NO ONE IN THE WORLD has been able to figure out WHY. FACTS tells us that Mississippi has the highest population of blacks by state.

FACT Washington DC has the highest concentration of blacks than Miss as a whole and a higher infant mortality death rate over the past decade.

One reason our state has been higher than normal is because of Katrina.

Don't believe me. Google it. The "facts" are easy to find.




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The issue should be dead babies - not when in their development they die.


The question for me is HOW do they die.

Because of an act of God or an act of man chosing to suck the brains out of a babies head and the people find it "ok".

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Surely the attitude isn't "No big deal cause they're black babies"?


I guess your politicians have not found the reason for it in "your" state either otherwise it would not be a "national" or "worldwide" problem.

People who sit around all day and yell racism at every problem oftentimes fail to find any solutions to the "real problem". They are too busy not examining the facts to know there are "other" reasons certain problem exist within a community.




Closie -> RE: My Political Vote (5/20/2008 4:01:20 PM)

I'm not yelling racism. I didn't bring up race as an excuse. If you're comfortable with babies dying in Mississippi, then you're comfortable with it. If you choose to deal with one reason they die - abortion - then that's up to you too. I just want babies to live. And I want politicians to want babies to live.




tracydolls -> RE: My Political Vote (5/20/2008 9:09:53 PM)

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Well of course YOU would say that. I don't believe you are involved in a thread where you don't use "racism" as a reason for something


That's because there are SO MANY RACISTS.. So Mississippi ain't racist?

LOL! Ya'll in the history books too much as pure racists.

emit Till, Medgar Evers, Fannie Lou Hamer, list is too long.

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Analysis of pregnancy outcomes among women enrolled in the South Carolina Medicaid high risk channeling project.



Huh? Mississippi, not SC.


There's no defense for Mississippi, that's just the truth.


there's a glimmer of hope though, A dem just won there. Now he would've got my vote.




gmc4Jesus -> RE: My Political Vote (5/21/2008 1:24:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JefferyT

Should I vote for the candidate who supports the one issue that is most important to me? Or should I vote for the candidate that supports the largest number of issues that are important to me? Almost every election seems to come down to this question.


I noticed a lot of discussion early on about abortion. Although I strongly agree with the posts opposing abortion, I believe that we cannot vote on one issue alone. (Some will decry a woman's right to choose as justification for allowing them to murder their unborn children. Why doesn't anyone proclaim that a woman's right to choose should be to say "NO" to sex outside of marriage. Why isn't more being said about the guilt, shame and future problems that women, who have aborted their babies, have?)

Abortion is only a measuring rod to whether a particular candidate respects God or not. Even though liberals may attend church, that does not mean that they respect God. Something is wrong with anyone who believes that you can deny your sin by murdering the unborn results.

There are many other serious issues which will arise during the next term.

Justices for the Supreme Court who will respect our Constitution, honor God and not legislate from the bench is very important.

Reducing government spending and reducing taxes is very important if we are going to maintain financial stability. The idea of spend more, tax more is destroying us.

Protecting our borders and protecting us from terrorists world wide is also important.

I would like to see a President that is strongly committed to following God and fighting the ACLU (which is not American, Civil, for Liberties and which is destroying our Union).

There is way too much to ride on just one issue.

God Bless America (our new National Anthem)




earlbooks -> RE: My Political Vote (5/25/2008 2:22:53 AM)

I am prolife, however, if a candidate is prolife and seems he/she would not be a competent president, I would be wrong to not look at the big picture. I would need to take into consideration the results of the special elections which found Republicans losing conservative strongholds (Mississippi, etc..), sends a signal that a Prolifer may not have the support needed. Abortion will be a top issue for me, but I will look at many facets of the race.




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