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cow451 -> RE: Stephen King Stands By Comments On Military (5/19/2008 12:55:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mapachito13

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

Under the protection of the miltary, standing the line between us and those who do not want us to have that freedom .

It means there are people who want the U.S. and its freedoms, gone. There are even people outside the U.S. who want Cow451 dead. And someone is standing in between you and them, protecting you and your freedoms

And many of those powerful nations where/are not our frineds and would be happy to see you not have the freedom you do. Who is standing the line between you and them?

You remarks bother me just about as much as his.


Your last comment echoes my sentiments about naive "patriotic" platitudes! (How big is that soap box anyway? [;)])

You enthusiastically defend the 2nd Amendment but NOT the 1st? Why do you not see that Mr. King has every RIGHT to air his silly opinion. (Putting it nicely. This is a Christian board, yes?) Those rights that are contained in the US Constitution are what set us apart NOT the military (other than the fact that it is civilian controlled)!

My concern is how more power is being given to "law enforcement" and the military in response to terrorism a la Patriot Acts I & II at the expense of our civil rights. They were the first step towards a police state. The government has a RIGHT now to spy on you for any reason of "National Security". But that's a subject for another thread!

Mr. King is guaranteed the RIGHT to talk like an idiot!! If the military isn't defending this right, then a police state IS definitely here already!

Ditto. A bologna sandwich wrapped in the flag is still a bologna sandwich.[sm=flagamerican.jpg]



davemiller7 -> RE: Stephen King Stands By Comments On Military (5/19/2008 12:59:52 PM)

I don't remember about Dick Cheney, but GW did sever in the National Guard. I served three years active duty in the US Army, but it was during "peacetime." Is that a problem too?

-Dave

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I only wish most of these cowards had to fight.

Like Bush, Cheney, et al did?



cow451 -> RE: Stephen King Stands By Comments On Military (5/19/2008 1:13:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: davemiller7

I don't remember about Dick Cheney, but GW did sever in the National Guard. I served three years active duty in the US Army, but it was during "peacetime." Is that a problem too?

-Dave

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ORIGINAL: cow451

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ORIGINAL: lightshineon

I only wish most of these cowards had to fight.

Like Bush, Cheney, et al did?



LOL, W likely did next to nothing in the Guard. Most of his time served may well have been spent politicking. He did what many connected individuals did : either got some type deferment or some cushy stint in the Guard. Back then the Guard was the place to go to avoid combat assignment. Only one Guard unit went to Nam in the entire war. Remember, the draft was in effect then, so every "able-bodied" male was supposed to serve a military stretch.

I don't fault W for taking advantage of his connections because that was the legal way many young men took to avoid the draft. I do object to the notion that he "bravely served his country".



TomTurn -> RE: Stephen King Stands By Comments On Military (5/19/2008 10:01:44 PM)

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Back then the Guard was the place to go to avoid combat assignment Only one Guard unit went to Nam in the entire war


Setting aside GWB, please do not misspeak about the Air Guard or anyone who bravely did their duty in it.

Four ANG tactical fighter squadrons--the 120th (Colorado), 174th (Iowa), 188th (New Mexico), and 136th (New York)-- alone deployed F-100s to Vietnam, served at Phan Rang AB, Vietnam, for eleven months of 1968-1969, flying over 24,000 combat sorties

There are more than that

Numerous individual Air National Guard personell filled slots in Vietnam flying and serving with active duty units.

Am not going to stand by and let you write off the service of any of these people.



ljmac -> RE: Stephen King Stands By Comments On Military (5/19/2008 10:51:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

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Back then the Guard was the place to go to avoid combat assignment Only one Guard unit went to Nam in the entire war


Setting aside GWB, please do not misspeak about the Air Guard or anyone who bravely did their duty in it.

Four ANG tactical fighter squadrons--the 120th (Colorado), 174th (Iowa), 188th (New Mexico), and 136th (New York)-- alone deployed F-100s to Vietnam, served at Phan Rang AB, Vietnam, for eleven months of 1968-1969, flying over 24,000 combat sorties

There are more than that

Numerous individual Air National Guard personell filled slots in Vietnam flying and serving with active duty units.

Am not going to stand by and let you write off the service of any of these people.


Don't expect logical, fact based discussions about GWB. Facts are only obstacles to discard when rewriting history. Don't you recall that so-called journalist named Rather?



TomTurn -> RE: Stephen King Stands By Comments On Military (5/20/2008 12:46:15 AM)

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Your last comment echoes my sentiments about naive "patriotic" platitudes! (How big is that soap box anyway? )

You enthusiastically defend the 2nd Amendment but NOT the 1st? Why do you not see that Mr. King has every RIGHT to air his silly opinion.


When you can find where I stated that he did not have the right to say or write what he has, your post will mean something, until then I respectfully say it is worthless.



TomTurn -> RE: Stephen King Stands By Comments On Military (5/20/2008 12:58:26 AM)

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Don't expect logical, fact based discussions about GWB.


Setting aside GWB

The ANG 147th Fighter Interceptor Group (which the ANG 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron was under operating F-102's) were conducting combat missions in Vietnam in 1968. Air Force F-102 squadrons had been stationed in South Vietnam since March 1962.

But it's main mission remained airspace protection flying the air defense line in the Gulf of Mexico



cow451 -> RE: Stephen King Stands By Comments On Military (5/20/2008 10:26:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

Am not going to stand by and let you write off the service of any of these people.


I was writing off only one. Though, to his credit, the Viet Cong were held at bay in the Gulf of Mexico.

The unit I was referring to was an Army Guard unit. Thanks for the clarification about the Air Guard.

I have steered the thread off topic of Stephen King's comments and apologize.



mapachito13 -> RE: Stephen King Stands By Comments On Military (5/22/2008 3:58:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

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Your last comment echoes my sentiments about naive "patriotic" platitudes! (How big is that soap box anyway? )

You enthusiastically defend the 2nd Amendment but NOT the 1st? Why do you not see that Mr. King has every RIGHT to air his silly opinion.


When you can find where I stated that he did not have the right to say or write what he has, your post will mean something, until then I respectfully say it is worthless.


Which is your right under the 1st Amendment!



aslouie -> RE: Stephen King Stands By Comments On Military (6/14/2008 2:59:39 AM)

In trying to get back subject here, I just can't help but think that the onetime novelist behind Salem's Lot, Carrie, and a whole slew of other seminal works, some outside of the horror genre, is probably trying to rejuvenate his scare-fest, career heyday by toying around a new kind of spine-chiller... to no productive avail![8D]*

*you know... making foot-in-mouth, political statements--especially when it comes to rehashing a "botched joke" by a certain Massachusetts Senator!

'Looks like ol' Stephen King is trying to follow in the footsteps of some of his colleagues, trying out politically-sermonizing/windbag horror stories, like that geezer of a zombie guy, George A. Romero, or that pretentious/pompous upstart, Eli Roth!



Jeff_from_Kentucky -> RE: Stephen King Stands By Comments On Military (6/14/2008 3:14:44 AM)

When I retired from the Air Force five years ago, they were still requiring every enlisted person to be a high school graduate plus they had the highest requirement of any branch of service on the ASVAB test. They also would not allow anyone convicted of a crime to enlist. As far as I know that has not changed.

Mr. King may have a right to express his idiotic comments but in this case he has insulted every man and woman to ever wear a military uniform! I guess he does not realize that if it wasn't for them, he would not be able to utter his stupid opinions in public.



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