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drmark -> RE: Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin? (5/10/2008 10:21:31 PM)

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Sin is anything that falls short of missing God's mark.
Well then, is there a command from God's Word that prohibits us from changing our moods? Is "God's mark" that we all have totally even moods every moment of every day? Jesus certainly did not do this! Would it be a sin for someone to alter their mood if God specifically told them to maintain an absolutely flat affect? Would God make such a ridiculous command of anyone in the first place? Have you answered your own question by now, humbleinspirit?



humbleinspirit -> RE: Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin? (5/10/2008 10:23:53 PM)

Ok, this is going to be my last post on the subject, most Christians know what sin is. I do not believe that we have to define what "sin" is because most Christians already know.



drmark -> RE: Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin? (5/10/2008 10:34:02 PM)

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I do not believe that we have to define what "sin" is because most Christians already know.
Hmm, that's not what I see from posting on these forums almost two years now.

So, what's your answer, humbleinspirit? I gave you mine in post #17.



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lightshineon -> RE: Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin? (5/10/2008 11:23:23 PM)

Is PMS included in sin and moods?



drmark -> RE: Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin? (5/10/2008 11:31:05 PM)

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Is PMS included in sin and moods?
Hard to say, lightshineon, since we're not supposed to discuss the meaning of sin. Do you feel that women have any control over their hormonal effects or only over how they may respond to those physical changes?



humbleinspirit -> RE: Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin? (5/10/2008 11:33:14 PM)

Someone just brought to my attention, if taking anti-depressants count as well? I think for the sake of "mood altering" that it could be included as part of the discussion as well.



drmark -> RE: Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin? (5/10/2008 11:36:11 PM)

Well, that gets right back to my previous question. Do we have any control over chemical imbalances in our brains? Does God hold us accountable for physical circumstances that result from living in a fallen world? Can these issues be discussed without defining sin in some particular way?



lightshineon -> RE: Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin? (5/10/2008 11:50:28 PM)

Oh sorry did not read sin warning. Hormones alter my moods, I try and try to be nice, and pray, and pray, Take Midol, and still no one likes me.[sm=widecry.gif][sm=fireanger.gif][sm=rollingeyes.gif] I need chocolate. Mood swings every thirty minutes.[sm=halo.gif]



SonInMe1 -> RE: Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin? (5/11/2008 1:17:57 AM)

Self control is a fruit of the Spirit. It would seem that the extreme sides to emotions shouldn't be in a christians walk.

Love is perfectly christian but if you emotionalize love to the point that it is too permissive then its not christian love.....for example.



Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin? (5/11/2008 1:25:27 AM)

I'll tell you what: I had a major mood-altering experience today, when I spent hours with my daughter and granddaughter. It was the most mood-altering experience I have ever had with them. Fabulous!

But while I have not been one for taking mood-altering chemicals into my body, when wine is considered in a positive way in the Bible, there are Scriptures that see wine as mood-altering, yet the Bible does not decry it.

When I see someone who is in a life-altering state of depression, I hope that they can find a solution that will alter their mood to one more conducive to enjoying life.

I was depressed until I was 42, when through prayer, the depression lifted completely. That was certainly mind-altering but it was certainly not negative.

There are mind-altering things we can do that certainly should not be done, and there are mind-altering things we can do that benefit. We just have to do the right things -- things like a job well done, recognition of our need for salvation and turning to G-d for the remedy, Diane's lovely list, and more.



drmark -> RE: Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin? (5/11/2008 9:41:57 AM)

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There are mind-altering things we can do that certainly should not be done, and there are mind-altering things we can do that benefit. We just have to do the right things -- things like a job well done, recognition of our need for salvation and turning to G-d for the remedy, Diane's lovely list, and more.
Which is exactly why I trust the vast majority of us will be heading off this morning to the church of our choice and God's Will to alter both mind and mood with praise and worship! 1 Cor 2:16b



tenfour -> RE: Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin? (5/11/2008 11:46:55 PM)

This is something I've been unsure of. I've debated with a Christian before about whether smoking marijuana would be wrong if it were legal. I was saying that being high would be akin to being drunk, and we know from the Bible that drunkenness is a sin. But maybe drunkenness is a sin not because of the mood alteration but because of the excess it involves (it is often paired with gluttony in the Bible). I can't see why God would consider it sin for a person with chemical depression to use Prozac, but how would that be different than pot smoking, in moderation (if it were legal)?



car2ner -> RE: Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin? (5/12/2008 6:15:35 AM)

People usually smoke pot as recreation. It is very harmful to the body and from watching folks, I notice that they have a tendency to forget how to have fun without getting high first. I tend to lean on the, "hardly any good reason to legalize it" side.



JimboFletch -> RE: Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin? (5/12/2008 2:59:04 PM)

I think a guide in this matter is if the substance renders me incapable of rendering assistance or calling for help when another person's life is in danger then its use might be sinful. I've seen cases where someone was high, their friend was seriously hurt, but they thought it was uproariously funny to was their friend bleed and writhe in agony.

I don't think there's anyway to justify the use of anything that does that to the user. And it makes any mood altering effect that coffee might have seem pretty trivial.



OLEEguacamole -> RE: Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin? (5/12/2008 3:08:37 PM)

mind altering and mood altering are different.

a mood is just about the feelings you have. it is not about impairment.

moods are affected by brain chemistry and if that chemistry reaches imbalance, you have a medical/health issue. be it significant or mild. depression can become an impairment but this is a health issue that needs a return to healthy chemistry.

sunshine, appropriate blood sugar levels, music, laughter etc are all mood altering, and changes in brain chemistry are included.



drmark -> RE: Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin? (5/12/2008 3:24:35 PM)

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mind altering and mood altering are different.
Different but related, OLEE. An impaired mood can seriously alter function of the mind. Just ask any severely depressed patient, as you mentioned. The mind is also affected by brain chemistry - in fact, brain function results from the effects of neurochemicals. Blood sugar levels also may be mind altering - coma can be caused by very low blood sugar. I'm not so sure we really understand a whole lot about the difference between mind and mood!



OLEEguacamole -> RE: Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin? (5/12/2008 3:42:24 PM)

the differences are in what we are using for mood alteration. recreational drug use for instance, mind altering. causes impairment at the time of use and long term harm. these substances also affect the judgment and reasoning and reality centers of the brain causing our character and morals to be rendered differently.

depression is an impairment but it is a health caused impairment not a recreational use/abuse impairment. depression is like arthritis as an impairment.

i don't think many on purpose alter their mood toward depression anyway. so mood altering here would likely only mean purposely inducing a good or better mood.



P31W -> RE: Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin? (5/12/2008 3:44:12 PM)

Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin?

Sex alters my mood as does prayer.



lightshineon -> RE: Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin? (5/15/2008 6:51:45 PM)

Oh goodness, that was shocking[:D]
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ORIGINAL: P31W

Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin?

Sex alters my mood as does prayer.



Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Is Anything That Is Mood-Altering Sin? (5/16/2008 1:06:33 AM)

Monday morning, going to work alters my mood, because I love my job, but then completing a week does, too. Fridays are major mind-altering, because I try to plan my week so that I get there late and leave early, so I can get prepared for Sabbath, which is MAJOR mind-altering!

Tomorrow is Friday!
Tomorrow is Friday!
Tomorrow is Friday!



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