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CCCdnt -> RE: Darwin, Hitler, and the Culture of Death (5/12/2008 4:14:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: 1dblthnk02

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ORIGINAL: CCCdnt
Actually since the Bible teaches that all are descended from the same two people...Adam and Eve, the Bible taught long before "the scientific study of human evolution" that there is only one "race"...the human race.

. . . But offers us nothing of scientific value to test, evaluate, or base falsifiable predictions on.


It offers plenty of value if one chooses as his starting premise that the Bible is true and also lets the Bible be his authority.



1dblthnk02 -> RE: Darwin, Hitler, and the Culture of Death (5/12/2008 4:17:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CCCdnt
It offers plenty of value if one chooses as his starting premise that the Bible is true and also lets the Bible be his authority.

This is the foundation of faith, not scientific research. I can assume the authenticity of anything a priori, but where does this lead?



CCCdnt -> RE: Darwin, Hitler, and the Culture of Death (5/12/2008 4:18:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: henny
...and left the demonization to the creationists who really have no interest in the science of evolution one way or another.


Fortunately, I have not come across many creationists, if at all, that fit your description.



CCCdnt -> RE: Darwin, Hitler, and the Culture of Death (5/12/2008 4:21:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: 1dblthnk02

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ORIGINAL: CCCdnt
It offers plenty of value if one chooses as his starting premise that the Bible is true and also lets the Bible be his authority.

This is the foundation of faith, not scientific research.


Secular scientists have faith too as they have presuppostions as well. (I do not intend to heavily debate this here as this is done plenty in the Science folder and anything we debate has most likely already been debated over and over in that folder already.)



1dblthnk02 -> RE: Darwin, Hitler, and the Culture of Death (5/12/2008 4:27:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CCCdnt
Secular scientists have faith too as they have presuppostions as well.

If they are good scientists, they do not let their presuppositions interfere with scientific procedure.

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I do not intend to heavily debate this here as this is done plenty in the Science folder and anything we debate has most likely already been debated over and over in that folder already.

. . . Likely so.



Jhud -> RE: Darwin, Hitler, and the Culture of Death (5/12/2008 4:51:55 PM)

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This is also about the same time that genetics delved into DNA. In any event, evolutionary science has continued to render that kind of eugenics untenable.


Actually, it was well before we could make such assessments; we didn’t have the structure of DNA until 1953; and evolutionary science has done no such thing.

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This has nothing to do with racism or superior breeds, but rather with eliminating those with birth defects. Again, I don't see how the theory of evolution plays into this, but I'll grant that it is an example of eugenics.

On the positive side, eugenic testing (e.g. amniocentesis) can also identify children born with defects other than Downs (e.g. 22nd chromosome disorders) thereby allowing the parents to prepare for potential risks (e.g. Hypoplastic Left Heart Syndrome) in case they do go through with the birth.


Well, the sad fact is it appears 90% of Down’s Syndrome babies are eliminated; apparently the way modernist secular philosophies help people ‘prepare’ is by simply eliminating the need to prepare.



blessedinnyc -> RE: Darwin, Hitler, and the Culture of Death (5/12/2008 5:09:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CCCdnt

It offers plenty of value if one chooses as his starting premise that the Bible is true and also lets the Bible be his authority.

This, of course, is the problem with Christian forays into science.

The search for scientific truth shouldn't contain a premise, other than the notion that what we observe is real. I mean, we could look for evidence that there really is a Greek God named Hepaestus who lives under mount Etna and causes it to erupt every time he is working on a project. Let's start with that premise and question gaps in vulcanological explanations of the eruptions (of which there are many), and then attribute these gaps to Hephaestus.

Perhaps a better approach, though, would be to use Aquinas's first cause argument. That way, we can trust that whatever science comes up with, it will eventually point to God.



1dblthnk02 -> RE: Darwin, Hitler, and the Culture of Death (5/12/2008 5:12:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jhud
Actually, it was well before we could make such assessments; we didn’t have the structure of DNA until 1953; and evolutionary science has done no such thing.

The article did not indicate that there is a renaissance of Hitler-esque eugenics, but rather indicated why such a thing should not happen.

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Well, the sad fact is it appears 90% of Down’s Syndrome babies are eliminated; apparently the way modernist secular philosophies help people ‘prepare’ is by simply eliminating the need to prepare.

You completely ignored everything that I pointed out about non-Downs cases, didn't you.
Why am I not surprised?



ta_mosquito -> RE: Darwin, Hitler, and the Culture of Death (5/12/2008 6:05:14 PM)

Please continue in one of the following two threads currently running on this topic:

Expelled

Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants

Closing this thread.


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