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lightshineon -> Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 8:22:28 AM)
Does it matter he just dismissed them, like they were carnage? I happen to think it was arrogant and telling of his really caring for people. Your thoughts on this? Do you think this hurt he campaign? I do, but I keep hearing different things, yes it hurt him, no it did not. Your kind thoughts. Remember nobody needs to get defensive, I value your opinion, or would not ask. I heard they said, they know the type of voters they appeal to, and the white, low income working class is not it. It is the AA vote, or higher income, educated white person. Now who does he have a heart for? That is disturbing, he is a snob, IMHO.[sm=nosestuckup.gif]

cow451 -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 10:11:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lightshineon Does it matter he just dismissed them, like they were carnage? I happen to think it was arrogant and telling of his really caring for people. Your thoughts on this? Do you think this hurt he campaign? I do, but I keep hearing different things, yes it hurt him, no it did not. Your kind thoughts. Remember nobody needs to get defensive, I value your opinion, or would not ask. I heard they said, they know the type of voters they appeal to, and the white, low income working class is not it. It is the AA vote, or higher income, educated white person. Now who does he have a heart for? That is disturbing, he is a snob, IMHO.[sm=nosestuckup.gif] Candidates don't campaign in states where they have no chance. Simple economics and common sense.

lightshineon -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 10:13:03 AM)
Well if acted like they mattered maybe he would have had a chance. quote: ORIGINAL: cow451 quote: ORIGINAL: lightshineon Does it matter he just dismissed them, like they were carnage? I happen to think it was arrogant and telling of his really caring for people. Your thoughts on this? Do you think this hurt he campaign? I do, but I keep hearing different things, yes it hurt him, no it did not. Your kind thoughts. Remember nobody needs to get defensive, I value your opinion, or would not ask. I heard they said, they know the type of voters they appeal to, and the white, low income working class is not it. It is the AA vote, or higher income, educated white person. Now who does he have a heart for? That is disturbing, he is a snob, IMHO.[sm=nosestuckup.gif] Candidates don't campaign in states where they have no chance. Simple economics and common sense.

JimboFletch -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 10:34:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cow451 Candidates don't campaign in states where they have no chance. Simple economics and common sense. But Sen. Obama has money to burn and his refusal to campaign can be interpreted as a snub to the state and what the demographic there represents throughout the rest of the country.

cow451 -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 10:40:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch quote: ORIGINAL: cow451 Candidates don't campaign in states where they have no chance. Simple economics and common sense. But Sen. Obama has money to burn and his refusal to campaign can be interpreted as a snub to the state and what the demographic there represents throughout the rest of the country. Will make zero difference come November. The states that matter are the "contested" states. Fact of life. Some blame the Electoral College, but I don't know whether it would change without it.

Jhud -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 10:40:11 AM)
What is means obviously is that the people love Hillary and want her to keep fighting every last inch of the way, to the convention and beyond if neccesary.

lightshineon -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 10:50:51 AM)
I think it was not a smooth move on Obamas part. It is an attitude perception, is why it was important.

cow451 -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 10:52:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jhud What is means obviously is that the people love Hillary and want her to keep fighting every last inch of the way, to the convention and beyond if neccesary. Finally..... somebody gets it. Plus, Obama hasn't agreed to pay her campaign debt, yet. In Heaven, the promotional campaign slogan is "Almost West Virginia". That would be a bit of regional humor that you "northerners" might not get (actually most of what is now West Virginia was likely populated by Yankees during the War of Northern Aggression).

lightshineon -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 10:58:32 AM)
Ok Cow that was funny, but do not get on a role[:D] quote: ORIGINAL: cow451 quote: ORIGINAL: Jhud What is means obviously is that the people love Hillary and want her to keep fighting every last inch of the way, to the convention and beyond if neccesary. Finally..... somebody gets it. Plus, Obama hasn't agreed to pay her campaign debt, yet. In Heaven, the promotional campaign slogan is "Almost West Virginia". That would be a bit of regional humor that you "northerners" might not get (actually most of what is now West Virginia was likely populated by Yankees).

JimboFletch -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 11:06:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cow451 quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch quote: ORIGINAL: cow451 Candidates don't campaign in states where they have no chance. Simple economics and common sense. But Sen. Obama has money to burn and his refusal to campaign can be interpreted as a snub to the state and what the demographic there represents throughout the rest of the country. Will make zero difference come November. The states that matter are the "contested" states. Fact of life. Some blame the Electoral College, but I don't know whether it would change without it. IOW, poor white Southerners aren't important to Mr. Change.

Evangel70 -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 12:59:01 PM)
quote: Candidates don't campaign in states where they have no chance. Simple economics and common sense. Agreed. It would be fool-hardy of Obama to spend millions on advertising when the polls were already giving Hillary an 80% win margin. It's not like he didn't visit the state at all. I wouldn't have spent much time or money in a state with those odds.

Closie -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 2:39:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch quote: ORIGINAL: cow451 quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch quote: ORIGINAL: cow451 Candidates don't campaign in states where they have no chance. Simple economics and common sense. But Sen. Obama has money to burn and his refusal to campaign can be interpreted as a snub to the state and what the demographic there represents throughout the rest of the country. Will make zero difference come November. The states that matter are the "contested" states. Fact of life. Some blame the Electoral College, but I don't know whether it would change without it. IOW, poor white Southerners aren't important to Mr. Change. He campaigned in Alabama. No one ever campaigns much in Kentucky. Why not?

JimboFletch -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 2:45:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Closie quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch quote: ORIGINAL: cow451 quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch quote: ORIGINAL: cow451 Candidates don't campaign in states where they have no chance. Simple economics and common sense. But Sen. Obama has money to burn and his refusal to campaign can be interpreted as a snub to the state and what the demographic there represents throughout the rest of the country. Will make zero difference come November. The states that matter are the "contested" states. Fact of life. Some blame the Electoral College, but I don't know whether it would change without it. IOW, poor white Southerners aren't important to Mr. Change. He campaigned in Alabama. No one ever campaigns much in Kentucky. Why not? Alabama is much more affluent and probably has more blacks than WVA. I can't speak for Kentucky. [;)]

davemiller7 -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 3:17:59 PM)
He seems to be one of the most arrogant, snobbish individuals I've ever seen or heard - right up there with Teddy Kennedy and John "Viet Nam War Hero" Kerry. Probably associating with common working people leaves a bad taste in his mouth. Like those in small town Pennsylvania, they probably cling to their religion and their guns. -Dave quote: ORIGINAL: lightshineon Does it matter he just dismissed them, like they were carnage? I happen to think it was arrogant and telling of his really caring for people. Your thoughts on this? Do you think this hurt he campaign? I do, but I keep hearing different things, yes it hurt him, no it did not. Your kind thoughts. Remember nobody needs to get defensive, I value your opinion, or would not ask. I heard they said, they know the type of voters they appeal to, and the white, low income working class is not it. It is the AA vote, or higher income, educated white person. Now who does he have a heart for? That is disturbing, he is a snob, IMHO.[sm=nosestuckup.gif]

lightshineon -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 3:24:34 PM)
Do not forget religon, and bitterness was it? quote: ORIGINAL: davemiller7 He seems to be one of the most arrogant, snobbish individuals I've ever seen or heard - right up there with Teddy Kennedy and John "Viet Nam War Hero" Kerry. Probably associating with common working people leaves a bad taste in his mouth. Like those in small town Pennsylvania, they probably cling to their religion and their guns. -Dave quote: ORIGINAL: lightshineon Does it matter he just dismissed them, like they were carnage? I happen to think it was arrogant and telling of his really caring for people. Your thoughts on this? Do you think this hurt he campaign? I do, but I keep hearing different things, yes it hurt him, no it did not. Your kind thoughts. Remember nobody needs to get defensive, I value your opinion, or would not ask. I heard they said, they know the type of voters they appeal to, and the white, low income working class is not it. It is the AA vote, or higher income, educated white person. Now who does he have a heart for? That is disturbing, he is a snob, IMHO.[sm=nosestuckup.gif]

davemiller7 -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 3:51:45 PM)
See, that's what happens when you get old...................... uh, what was the question again? [;)] -Dave quote: ORIGINAL: lightshineon Do not forget religon, and bitterness was it? quote: ORIGINAL: davemiller7 He seems to be one of the most arrogant, snobbish individuals I've ever seen or heard - right up there with Teddy Kennedy and John "Viet Nam War Hero" Kerry. Probably associating with common working people leaves a bad taste in his mouth. Like those in small town Pennsylvania, they probably cling to their religion and their guns. -Dave quote: ORIGINAL: lightshineon Does it matter he just dismissed them, like they were carnage? I happen to think it was arrogant and telling of his really caring for people. Your thoughts on this? Do you think this hurt he campaign? I do, but I keep hearing different things, yes it hurt him, no it did not. Your kind thoughts. Remember nobody needs to get defensive, I value your opinion, or would not ask. I heard they said, they know the type of voters they appeal to, and the white, low income working class is not it. It is the AA vote, or higher income, educated white person. Now who does he have a heart for? That is disturbing, he is a snob, IMHO.[sm=nosestuckup.gif]

Closie -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 4:04:57 PM)
Kentucky is poorer than W. Va. and has an unemployment rate higher than the national average. It has the least number of high school graduates than any other state. I don't know the racial makeup of WVa but I heard that KY is less than 10% minority and is predominantly rural. The question is for the OP and others, would you vote for him had he gone to W. Va?

landabee -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 4:21:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lightshineon Does it matter he just dismissed them, like they were carnage? I happen to think it was arrogant and telling of his really caring for people. Your thoughts on this? Do you think this hurt he campaign? I do, but I keep hearing different things, yes it hurt him, no it did not. Your kind thoughts. Remember nobody needs to get defensive, I value your opinion, or would not ask. I heard they said, they know the type of voters they appeal to, and the white, low income working class is not it. It is the AA vote, or higher income, educated white person. Now who does he have a heart for? That is disturbing, he is a snob, IMHO.[sm=nosestuckup.gif] I have to agree with cow451 on this one. ************** Racism on the campaign trail http://www.racewire.org/archives/2008/05/racism_on_the_campaign_trail_1.html Why campaign energy and monies were spent elsewhere http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2a50425a-1f86-11dd-9216-000077b07658,s01=1.html?nclick_check=1 If you need a hundred pounds of fish caught in four hours, you fish off the wharf.... not in the fishbowl. [;)]

SuspenseWriter -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 4:23:18 PM)
quote: The question is for the OP and others, would you vote for him had he gone to W. Va? I won't vote for him, regardless of where he campaigns. I just found out (though I'm not surprised) he has a 100% approval rate from NARAL. One hundred per cent. That's like winning the SuperBowl for an ol' baby-vacuumer like Obama.

landabee -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 4:24:05 PM)
quote: IOW, poor white Southerners aren't important to Mr. Change. Au contraire........ the larger demographic in that area finds Mr. Obama unimportant. [;)]

landabee -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 4:25:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Evangel70 quote: Candidates don't campaign in states where they have no chance. Simple economics and common sense. Agreed. It would be fool-hardy of Obama to spend millions on advertising when the polls were already giving Hillary an 80% win margin. It's not like he didn't visit the state at all. I wouldn't have spent much time or money in a state with those odds. Yup. Yup.

JimboFletch -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 4:27:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: landabee quote: IOW, poor white Southerners aren't important to Mr. Change. Au contraire........ the larger demographic in that area finds Mr. Obama unimportant. [;)] So he's just returning the sentiment and effectively saying they aren't even worth a token effort?

landabee -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 4:29:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SuspenseWriter quote: The question is for the OP and others, would you vote for him had he gone to W. Va? I won't vote for him, regardless of where he campaigns. I just found out (though I'm not surprised) he has a 100% approval rate from NARAL. One hundred per cent. That's like winning the SuperBowl for an ol' baby-vacuumer like Obama. If that is the main issue as a voter, one may wish to consider that NARAL has supported Hilary Clinton through out her career. The parting of the ways was only to back Obama. Something to consider if that is the swing issue for a voter.

JimboFletch -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 4:30:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: landabee quote: ORIGINAL: Evangel70 quote: Candidates don't campaign in states where they have no chance. Simple economics and common sense. Agreed. It would be fool-hardy of Obama to spend millions on advertising when the polls were already giving Hillary an 80% win margin. It's not like he didn't visit the state at all. I wouldn't have spent much time or money in a state with those odds. Yup. Yup. In other states, Sen. Obama was willing to spend even when Hillary had him soundly beaten in the polls. Suddenly, he can't exert any effort?

landabee -> RE: Was it telling of Obamas' arrogance to ignore West Virginia? (5/14/2008 4:31:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch quote: ORIGINAL: landabee quote: IOW, poor white Southerners aren't important to Mr. Change. Au contraire........ the larger demographic in that area finds Mr. Obama unimportant. [;)] So he's just returning the sentiment and effectively saying they aren't even worth a token effort? You slay me. [:)] [8\|] I agree with cow451 and the financial analysis that was made.

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