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howdedoo -> The wife to Leave and Cleave too? (5/14/2008 12:14:57 PM)

In Gen 2:24 it says that "for this reason a MAN shall leave his father and mother and be united to his wife..."

I have always had it in my mind, that this was not just for the man, but both are to leave their families and be united together, not just the man (as someone who pointed out to me recently thinks)

Any thoughts on that? Are both supposed to leave their families? Any scripture to point out your reasoning...? If so, why do you think it only talks about the man here?

Thanks!
Grace and Peace



HisCovenant -> RE: The wife to Leave and Cleave too? (5/14/2008 12:29:52 PM)

Yes, she is. Mt 19:5-6 is Jesus' intrepretation of the Genesis passage and he says that they are to become one and no man is to separate them. That would include her family.

Paul also interprets it in Ephesians 5 where the context is the wife is under the authority of her husband.



evryknee -> RE: The wife to Leave and Cleave too? (5/14/2008 12:34:07 PM)

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Yes, she is. Mt 19:5-6 is Jesus' intrepretation of the Genesis passage and he says that they are to become one and no man is to separate them. That would include her family.

Paul also interprets it in Ephesians 5 where the context is the wife is under the authority of her husband.


Sounds good to me!



GroupW -> RE: The wife to Leave and Cleave too? (5/14/2008 12:38:59 PM)

Why does it apply to the man? I think there is a high probability of a cultural issue here. If memory serves (which it often does not), it was customary for the man to remain with his family within the family's domain either by a multigenerational living arrangement or via an add-on to the family's house or estate. While physically located together, the man would still need the reminder that his primary duty is to his new bride and not the family of his birth. They are a new marital unit although he is still connected by physical necessity to his old family.

I think this verse may reflect that reality in that it was more the husband who had to mentally make the "leaveing" in order to do the "cleaving" properly. For the woman, I think the "leaving and cleaving" was understood & didn't necessarily need to be said.

Just a guess on my part, so the old adage "you get what you pay for" would apply.



ChoirDJ -> RE: The wife to Leave and Cleave too? (5/14/2008 12:39:01 PM)

Good question...I'm wondering if the man leaving is emphasized here to highlight the man's responsibility in becoming independent and setting up a separate household for his wife and family. The woman leaving her household would certainly be implied even though the scripture you mentioned does not specify the woman.



CatholicCritter -> RE: The wife to Leave and Cleave too? (5/14/2008 12:40:08 PM)

On a more practical level, Moses is the author of Genesis. At that time, women cleaved to their family and nothing else. If they were to marry, they could not leave their family and go ask for a man's hand. The man, instead, would decide upon whom he would marry, leave his family, and approach the woman's family to arrange it. So really, it was the man who would first leave his family, marry/cleave to the woman, and then take her into his home (so she participates in the 'leaving and cleaving' as well).

The cultural standard of the time may have been what part of what drove the Holy Spirit to place those words in Genesis in that way.



GroupW -> RE: The wife to Leave and Cleave too? (5/14/2008 1:08:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CatholicCritter

On a more practical level, Moses is the author of Genesis. At that time, women cleaved to their family and nothing else. If they were to marry, they could not leave their family and go ask for a man's hand. The man, instead, would decide upon whom he would marry, leave his family, and approach the woman's family to arrange it. So really, it was the man who would first leave his family, marry/cleave to the woman, and then take her into his home (so she participates in the 'leaving and cleaving' as well).

The cultural standard of the time may have been what part of what drove the Holy Spirit to place those words in Genesis in that way.

I like this answer better than what I wrote.



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