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Jhud -> RE: Real-world benefits of evolutionary biology (5/27/2008 3:48:10 PM)

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. . . Both of which are irrelevant to my original point: God did not create livestock.


Or more properly, didn't domesticate them; whether He created what could be domesticated is of course the subject of much debate around here.



Jhud -> RE: Real-world benefits of evolutionary biology (5/27/2008 3:53:19 PM)

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Adv Genet. 2008;60:655-97. Links
Comparative genomics for detecting human disease genes.

Moreno C, Lazar J, Jacob HJ, Kwitek AE.

Human and Molecular Genetics Center, Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee, WI 53226, USA.

Originally, comparative genomics was geared toward defining the synteny of genes between species. As the human genome project accelerated, there was an increase in the number of tools and means to make comparisons culminating in having the genomic sequence for a large number of organisms spanning the evolutionary tree. With this level of resolution and a long history of comparative biology and comparative genetics, it is now possible to use comparative genomics to build or select better animal models and to facilitate gene discovery. Comparative genomics takes advantage of the functional genetic information from other organisms, (vertebrates and invertebrates), to apply it to the study of human physiology and disease. It allows for the identification of genes and regulatory regions, and for acquiring knowledge about gene function. In this chapter, the current state of comparative genomics and the available tools are discussed in the context of developing animal model systems that reflect the clinical picture.


Actually, I this reminds me of a corollary of Gonzales Privileged Planet hypothesis, one that I think helps us understand the design benefit of similar genetics (beside the more obvious necessity of life being chemically interdependent), that being that life seems to be designed in such a way so so as to teach us much about how we ourselves work, and so might be able to utilize such information for the betterment of humanity.



drmark -> RE: Real-world benefits of evolutionary biology (5/27/2008 3:57:31 PM)

Jack, your patience with these preposterous attempts which grossly misinterpret such clear evidence of design is truly humbling. I salute you, Sir Jhud!



Jhud -> RE: Real-world benefits of evolutionary biology (5/27/2008 4:32:41 PM)

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Jack, your patience with these preposterous attempts which grossly misinterpret such clear evidence of design is truly humbling. I salute you, Sir Jhud!


I don't know drmark, according to Agahnim, he and his friends are on the verge of putting me to rout. I don't know if I can withstand the onslaught much longer.



swan42 -> RE: Real-world benefits of evolutionary biology (5/27/2008 4:39:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jhud

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Jack, your patience with these preposterous attempts which grossly misinterpret such clear evidence of design is truly humbling. I salute you, Sir Jhud!


I don't know drmark, according to Agahnim, he and his friends are on the verge of putting me to rout. I don't know if I can withstand the onslaught much longer.

I don't either. Jhud's the best I've seen in a long long time.



Jhud -> RE: Real-world benefits of evolutionary biology (5/27/2008 4:41:40 PM)

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I don't either. Jhud's the best I've seen in a long long time.


Well, thanks swan.



Jhud -> RE: Real-world benefits of evolutionary biology (6/8/2008 12:03:49 AM)

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This thread contains peer reviewed papers APPLYING the theory of evolution, with success, to real world problems. Not only is the theory strongly supported by evidence but it is also very useful to biologists doing realy world research. Where are the ID papers?


I am not sure why pointing out the sad, ignorant, and tired methods of discussion oft on display here by evolutionists would cause you to think I would be saddened by them; I am used to them, it is evolutionists who keep thinking they are somehow original.

Oh, and here is one of the latest ID papers.



swan42 -> RE: Real-world benefits of evolutionary biology (6/8/2008 12:26:04 AM)

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Oh, and here is one of the latest ID papers.


I see it.. It will take awhile to digest and gives me a good excuse to install Stylus.



swan42 -> RE: Real-world benefits of evolutionary biology (6/8/2008 8:20:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Method

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ORIGINAL: Jhud
Oh, and here is one of the latest ID papers.


How was ID applied in this paper? A word search does not turn up the phrase "intelligent design" anywhere in the paper.


The superficial explanation is that this research was supported by the Biologic Institute; and by association the Discovery Institute itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biologic_Institute
The original Discovery Institute plan laid out in the Wedge Document, leaked in 1999, called for Douglas Axe, the current Biologic Institute director, senior researcher and spokesman, to head up a research effort in support of intelligent design. However, the Discovery Institute did not begin executing this part of the Wedge Strategy plan until 2005.[4]

I'm guessing this article is the beginning of an attempt to cement Irreducible Complexity with a foundational basis.

The article looks interesting on its own merits; but as with all computer models the conclusions are only as valid as the assumptions.

<editorial>
This is where ID should begin and probably end, rather than being directly injected into a high school curriculum of a small town named Dover.

p.s.
plosone is an open journal and not automatically part of the science establishment, so I'm guessing that there was no anti biologic institute bias occurring when the article was reviewed.
</editorial>



swan42 -> RE: Real-world benefits of evolutionary biology (6/8/2008 8:42:33 PM)

Ah, now I get it. The Biological Institute isn't as much using Stylus, as having invented Stylus in the first place.

http://austringer.net/wp/index.php/2008/06/05/biologic-institute-releases-stylus/


I am now compiling Stylus on my RedHat box.



Jhud -> RE: Real-world benefits of evolutionary biology (6/8/2008 11:04:11 PM)

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How was ID applied in this paper? A word search does not turn up the phrase "intelligent design" anywhere in the paper.


It was the product of the Biologic institute, an ID research lab (actually, the author, Douglas Axe, has a number of papers to his name).

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<editorial>
This is where ID should begin and probably end, rather than being directly injected into a high school curriculum of a small town named Dover.


Your entire post was an editorial; why the tag here?

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ta_mosquito -> RE: Real-world benefits of evolutionary biology (6/9/2008 9:16:45 AM)

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ta_mosquito -> RE: Real-world benefits of evolutionary biology (6/9/2008 9:46:02 AM)

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Method -> RE: Real-world benefits of evolutionary biology (6/11/2008 7:18:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jhud
It was the product of the Biologic institute, an ID research lab (actually, the author, Douglas Axe, has a number of papers to his name).


I didn't ask where the research was done. I asked how ID was implemented in this research. They argue that their protein modeling program is valid because they can show how proteins evolve. This doesn't sound like ID to me.

Abstract: "To demonstrate the utility of Stylus, we generated a sample set of homologous vector proteins by evolving successive lines from a single starting gene. These homologues show sequence and structure divergence resembling those of natural homologues in many respects, suggesting that the system may be sufficiently life-like for informative comparison to biology."

Introduction: "Here we describe such a model and introduce an open-source computational system that implements it, providing a complete environment for evolutionary experimentation on model genes that resemble bacterial genes."



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