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carolyninomaha -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/6/2008 10:02:55 AM)

Hi friends, I rarely visit the internet but I was noticing some things about the election campaign that led me back to look into old studies of the endtimes. Here, I respectfully submit that we all need to be careful about what we voice so that we do not lead others astray. With this said, I would like to point out that Daniel is a powerful resource for prophecy as is Revelation but there are many other scriptural references too and all must be read prayerfully to get a complete picture. We can't just pick and choose a few passages and expect to get a full picture of God's prophecy to us. The last chapter of Revelation specifically says the Bible is prophecy, by the way...it also a book of learning to live, history and much more. I don't think anyone has mentioned Daniel Chapter 11 verses 17-38. It is very "heavy" but maybe you can glean some more info about the nature of the antichrist. Also note God's final instructions to Daniel at the end of Chapter 11 to go live his life and let the Lord complete His plan. Thank you for reading . God bless you all.



sunshinesoprano -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/6/2008 12:59:21 PM)

Okay, just a thought....

We're all a mixture of "kingdoms" if you think about it, so I think to make a conclusion that someone is the beast based on that, and additionally by the mutliple religions associated with his family, that it's just stepping a little outside of our bounds.

I don't like Obama because I think he's unprepared to get us out of the mess we're in and will go cryin' for mamma when it gets hard, but I don't think he's the Anti-Christ.



tsnody2001 -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/6/2008 7:05:13 PM)

tracydolls, I am trying to be disrespectful, but could you start citing some sources? I mean, you are making some big claims about BO: his many racial, religious, and cultural attributes. While I think he is a liar (and many things other that I will not post publicly, simply because they're not verified), I have no grounds to make him out to be AC. Yes, I know what Scripture says, and I know well the passages you quote. But what do know about him that we don't? Please rest assured that no amount of bickering back and forth amonst each other is going to thwart God's plan, or change the pool of people He uses to accomplish it. We will know when the time comes. Afterall, BO isn't even our president yet, and may never be.



tracydolls -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/7/2008 12:40:15 PM)

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But he cannot be all those things at once, it's not possible. One cannot be a Muslim, a Christian and an Atheist simultaneously. So, while he may have been each of those at one time, he cannot be all three of them any longer.




sign... a blashephmer as the verse says. That's all that tells me.


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Also, if we're basing his "mixes" on his descent, well, many people here in America probably have some mixed blood in them. We're a nation of immigrants, after all. I doubt if God would have wasted time in Scripture saying that the Beast would have an ancestry from multiple nations, since He knew that would become more and more common as time went on



But how many are about to become president of America? That's the key. The lone superpower. The richest nation, head of the Babylonion Empire, read, follow Babylon.

Nebachadazzar?, Caesar, on down to now BO.

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tracydolls, I am trying to be disrespectful, but could you start citing some sources?


Why be disrespecful, these are my opinions, strictly, I'm talking for me. The Bible is my source.


Ask G-d for it. He who has understanding, listens, gathers up wisdom, looks. Discerns the spirits behind it.

Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.


Open your ears to G-d's voice, not all the @$^%#&%^#&*^%*^%* everyone is saying.


It's BO.



MrFribbles -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/7/2008 4:33:24 PM)

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sign... a blashephmer as the verse says. That's all that tells me


That's not a sign or a blasphemy! It's a logical contradiction. If someone stands up and says, "I am an Atheist," and then stands up and says, "I am a Muslim," and then stands up and says "I am a Christian," nobody is going to be fooled by that. They're going to laugh them off the political scene.
Also, I haven't heard anything from anyone reliable about Mr. Obama being a Muslim, and nothing from anybody except for you about him being an Atheist.

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But how many are about to become president of America? That's the key. The lone superpower. The richest nation, head of the Babylonion Empire, read, follow Babylon.

Nebachadazzar?, Caesar, on down to now BO.


Two problems - 1, I can't say for sure, but I'd guess that Mr. Obama is not the first president who has had a mixed genealogy. I feel confident in assuming many others in the past have had parents, grandparents, etc., from any number of different countries.
2, America is not the lone power in the world the way that Babylon and Rome were. We do not rule the known world in the way that they did. As such, I don't see America fitting the description of Babylon, which I think will need to be a world-wide government; something we haven't seen in our age yet.

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It's BO.


If I may ask a hypothetical question...
What will you do four or eight years from now (assuming he gets elected at all) if nothing happens? If he's not the Beast?



Sinner-Saint -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/8/2008 6:43:00 PM)

Still catching up here...

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ORIGINAL: MrFribbles
One problem - that happens after the head wound. So, if he gets shot in the head and recovers, then I'll be willing to admit he is a possibility.

You have to remember the "head" suffers a fatal wound but does not die: false death.

It does not have to be a "head wound." Just that the "beast of a man" suffers a fatal wound. It could be to the heart. The "head" is just the man.

If Obama were to survive an assassination which should have killed him, he might be the one, but as far as I'm concerned, he's not "Roman" enough. The only reason he's made it this far is because of the color of his skin. He's not saying anything new otherwise.



mikejonesoftn -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/8/2008 11:14:27 PM)

Wow at this thread. You could almost find ANY individual and wonder if they are THE Anti-Christ.



bob97 -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/8/2008 11:51:02 PM)

Mike...

I think a prerequisite is for the person to be in a situation to gain much political power. It’s kind of like becoming president…maybe anyone could accomplish the feat but one almost has to make that their life goal, building a history that allows taking the next step. As a result, you look for a person ascending in power. The Antichrist will not just appear out of the blue..once known, he will have a commanding background.

Bob



tracydolls -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/9/2008 11:11:20 AM)

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That's not a sign or a blasphemy! It's a logical contradiction. If someone stands up and says, "I am an Atheist," and then stands up and says, "I am a Muslim," and then stands up and says "I am a Christian," nobody is going to be fooled by that. They're going to laugh them off the political scene.
Also, I haven't heard anything from anyone reliable about Mr. Obama being a Muslim, and nothing from anybody except for you about him being an Atheist.



Then you havent read his books, He says he was athesit until about 26. HE SAYS his mother was a atheist. So no it's not just me. Read his books!

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If I may ask a hypothetical question...
What will you do four or eight years from now (assuming he gets elected at all) if nothing happens? If he's not the Beast
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What are you gonna do if he is?
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If Obama were to survive an assassination which should have killed him, he might be the one, but as far as I'm concerned, he's not "Roman" enough. The only reason he's made it this far is because of the color of his skin. He's not saying anything new otherwise.


How not Roman enough? Don't understand that. there were 3 African Roman Popes, Rome conquered Europe, not was Europe.


He's only made it this far because of color? LOL LOL.



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As a result, you look for a person ascending in power. The Antichrist will not just appear out of the blue..once known, he will have a commanding background


Now where is that in the Bible?



bob97 -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/9/2008 11:31:10 AM)

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Now where is that in the Bible?


Tracy...my point is that you or I might not have sufficient political recognition to develop into the Antichrist but Obama is playing on a world stage and might. This comment was in response to the statement that anyone could be the Antichrist.

Bob



MrFribbles -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/9/2008 11:40:57 AM)

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Then you havent read his books, He says he was athesit until about 26. HE SAYS his mother was a atheist. So no it's not just me. Read his books!


Does Revelation 13 say the Beast had one head, then got rid of it, and then got another head, and got rid of it, etc.? No, it doesn't. It says it will have 7 heads, simultaneously. Obama used to be an Atheist, but he no longer is. Therefore, Atheism cannot be one of his "heads." Same thing with either Christianity or Islam (depending on which pundit you listen to) - one is really present in his life, and the other is not, so one of them cannot be one of his "heads".

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What are you gonna do if he is?


Then I'll adapt. I'm ready for Christ to come back at any time, so if Obama is part of His end-times plan, then I'll be glad to see the Lord coming all the more soon.
Now, please answer my question with more than a question mark.



MrFribbles -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/12/2008 5:51:36 PM)

Thought I'd share this... The whole website looks interesting, but I felt this particular page was especially pertinent to this discussion.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/christian



Peter_Gunn -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/12/2008 6:04:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrFribbles

Thought I'd share this... The whole website looks interesting, but I felt this particular page was especially pertinent to this discussion.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/christian


I really like the line about them not keeping the e-mail addresses. Yeah...right.



MrFribbles -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/12/2008 6:18:01 PM)

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I really like the line about them not keeping the e-mail addresses. Yeah...right.


*shrugs* I didn't try the e-mail function, so I wouldn't know. But I'm guessing spamming potential voters would not be a good call for any politician.



cow451 -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/12/2008 10:52:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrFribbles

Thought I'd share this... The whole website looks interesting, but I felt this particular page was especially pertinent to this discussion.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/christian


Unlike Kerry, Obummer is taking a more aggressive approach to the swiftboat wannabes. Time will tell if it's wise.



tsnody2001 -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/14/2008 2:20:17 PM)

Tracydolls, I apoligize for the typo..... I meant to say I was NOT trying to disrespect you.



lightshineon -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/19/2008 12:04:55 AM)

How many people ( George Lucus) and others call him the new Messiah, the great hope and light of the world?



Doc65 -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/21/2008 9:58:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MrFribbles

Thought I'd share this... The whole website looks interesting, but I felt this particular page was especially pertinent to this discussion.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/christian


...I'd be more inclined to believe that the gentleman standing next to Michelle Obama (not her husband) is the A.C.

[8D]



SeminoleTom -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/26/2008 1:00:36 PM)

I've thought about it for sometime now and I really think Obama could be the anti-Christ:

1. He's (his families origins) are of middle eastern descent (I believe deep down he is not Christian...maybe Muslim)
2. He has a rock star following that includes the important media
3. The world will love him- face facts the world does not love a Republican-- they hate Bush
4. He's about to have the most powerful position in the world


Regardless, this is just speculation. For those saying we could say anyone could meet some of the characteristics of the anti-Christ then that maybe true. Like I siad this is speculation-- the AC will have a major position of power.... so it couldn't be just anyone. Needless to say we need to keep our eyes open and keep them on Jesus....



mikejonesoftn -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/26/2008 1:50:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SeminoleTom

I've thought about it for sometime now and I really think Obama could be the anti-Christ:

1. He's (his families origins) are of middle eastern descent (I believe deep down he is not Christian...maybe Muslim)
2. He has a rock star following that includes the important media
3. The world will love him- face facts the world does not love a Republican-- they hate Bush
4. He's about to have the most powerful position in the world


Regardless, this is just speculation. For those saying we could say anyone could meet some of the characteristics of the anti-Christ then that maybe true. Like I siad this is speculation-- the AC will have a major position of power.... so it couldn't be just anyone. Needless to say we need to keep our eyes open and keep them on Jesus....


Do we really know if Bush is a Christian? Was the Media not important for any President? I'm certain that if Obama ran when Bush ran the first time, Bush was still have won, your number 3 isn't a fact its pure speculation (Like you did admit). Bush has the most powerful position in the world.

My point is that, this could be said about almost all the people who are President and Obama hasn't even been selected yet. I think this argument is silly, but hopefully it has nothing to do with race.



bob97 -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/26/2008 2:49:10 PM)

Bush has professed Christ as Savior...have you ever heard Obama make such a statement? The Antichrist acknowledges Christ but not as Savior.

Bob



cow451 -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/26/2008 2:56:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SeminoleTom

I've thought about it for sometime now and I really think Obama could be the anti-Christ:

1. He's (his families origins) are of middle eastern descent (I believe deep down he is not Christian...maybe Muslim)
2. He has a rock star following that includes the important media
3. The world will love him- face facts the world does not love a Republican-- they hate Bush
4. He's about to have the most powerful position in the world


Regardless, this is just speculation. For those saying we could say anyone could meet some of the characteristics of the anti-Christ then that maybe true. Like I siad this is speculation-- the AC will have a major position of power.... so it couldn't be just anyone. Needless to say we need to keep our eyes open and keep them on Jesus....

Sounds a lot like Benny Hinn.[sm=aside.gif]



SeminoleTom -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/26/2008 3:30:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mikejonesoftn

quote:

ORIGINAL: SeminoleTom

I've thought about it for sometime now and I really think Obama could be the anti-Christ:

1. He's (his families origins) are of middle eastern descent (I believe deep down he is not Christian...maybe Muslim)
2. He has a rock star following that includes the important media
3. The world will love him- face facts the world does not love a Republican-- they hate Bush
4. He's about to have the most powerful position in the world


Regardless, this is just speculation. For those saying we could say anyone could meet some of the characteristics of the anti-Christ then that maybe true. Like I siad this is speculation-- the AC will have a major position of power.... so it couldn't be just anyone. Needless to say we need to keep our eyes open and keep them on Jesus....


Do we really know if Bush is a Christian? Was the Media not important for any President? I'm certain that if Obama ran when Bush ran the first time, Bush was still have won, your number 3 isn't a fact its pure speculation (Like you did admit). Bush has the most powerful position in the world.

My point is that, this could be said about almost all the people who are President and Obama hasn't even been selected yet. I think this argument is silly, but hopefully it has nothing to do with race.



Bush is a Christian. Did you ever read his book? I did. Did you hear him profess it? I did as well. Does this mean he's Christian. Nope. But I definetly NEVER heard Obama hear him say it.

The media hates Bush. That is the point. He would never get the rock star status that the AC would need. The media loves Obama.

The world is mostly liberal (minus the US). They generally don't like Conservative USA presidents. Again, like the media they hate Bush. Obama is a bleeding heart liberal that fits well into the ideology of the liberal world. I think the UN has the US president they have always wanted.

No, as I've posted above it can't be proven about all the presidents. Most definetly not a pro-life, gun right supporting president like George Bush.

And if your a supporter of Obama hopefully it has nothing to do with race. Vote for the man or women on his/her policies not on the color of the skin.



mikejonesoftn -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/26/2008 7:45:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SeminoleTom

quote:

ORIGINAL: mikejonesoftn

quote:

ORIGINAL: SeminoleTom

I've thought about it for sometime now and I really think Obama could be the anti-Christ:

1. He's (his families origins) are of middle eastern descent (I believe deep down he is not Christian...maybe Muslim)
2. He has a rock star following that includes the important media
3. The world will love him- face facts the world does not love a Republican-- they hate Bush
4. He's about to have the most powerful position in the world


Regardless, this is just speculation. For those saying we could say anyone could meet some of the characteristics of the anti-Christ then that maybe true. Like I siad this is speculation-- the AC will have a major position of power.... so it couldn't be just anyone. Needless to say we need to keep our eyes open and keep them on Jesus....


Do we really know if Bush is a Christian? Was the Media not important for any President? I'm certain that if Obama ran when Bush ran the first time, Bush was still have won, your number 3 isn't a fact its pure speculation (Like you did admit). Bush has the most powerful position in the world.

My point is that, this could be said about almost all the people who are President and Obama hasn't even been selected yet. I think this argument is silly, but hopefully it has nothing to do with race.



Bush is a Christian. Did you ever read his book? I did. Did you hear him profess it? I did as well. Does this mean he's Christian. Nope. But I definetly NEVER heard Obama hear him say it.

The media hates Bush. That is the point. He would never get the rock star status that the AC would need. The media loves Obama.

The world is mostly liberal (minus the US). They generally don't like Conservative USA presidents. Again, like the media they hate Bush. Obama is a bleeding heart liberal that fits well into the ideology of the liberal world. I think the UN has the US president they have always wanted.

No, as I've posted above it can't be proven about all the presidents. Most definetly not a pro-life, gun right supporting president like George Bush.

And if your a supporter of Obama hopefully it has nothing to do with race. Vote for the man or women on his/her policies not on the color of the skin.



Nothing you state can considered to be a fact, only pure speculation.
Even if Bush said he is a Christian doesn't necessarily make him one, but I do not judge him I am making a point.

Last, I considered it a privilege to even live in the US (not offense to other countries) but I support anyone who is strong enough to be President.



DreadPirateRandy -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/27/2008 5:56:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lightshineon

How many people ( George Lucus) and others call him the new Messiah, the great hope and light of the world?


I'm going to go burn my Star Wars collection.



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