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tracydolls -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (6/29/2008 3:27:13 AM)

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That's not a sign or a blasphemy! It's a logical contradiction. If someone stands up and says, "I am an Atheist," and then stands up and says, "I am a Muslim," and then stands up and says "I am a Christian," nobody is going to be fooled by that. They're going to laugh them off the political scene.


Sorry, took me so long to answer this.

Fribbles,


But don't you see how many are actually fooled by it. That's eXACTLY what he just did.

He admits he was atheist, he went to a cult of the Moslem leaning Church and became a Christian.


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2, America is not the lone power in the world the way that Babylon and Rome were. We do not rule the known world in the way that they did. As such, I don't see America fitting the description of Babylon, which I think will need to be a world-wide government; something we haven't seen in our age yet.


I will post in America is prophecy.



zhoward1992 -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/7/2008 2:27:43 AM)

I was looking on the Internet for stuff like this...
I found this website that is really interesting.
You guys should check it out.
http://www.satansrapture.com/obamanot.htm



sunshinesoprano -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/7/2008 9:42:43 AM)

Yeah, well, check out this...

http://therefinersfire.org/harry_walther.htm

He's out to scare people....



MrFribbles -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/8/2008 1:09:34 AM)

tracydolls, where you a Christian from birth?



CrimsonMoon -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/12/2008 7:12:58 PM)

The Bible Code shows that OBAMA will be ASSASSINATED by a GUNMAN in the hebrew month of TISHRI (Sept 29 to Oct 30) and that HILLARY will become the USA President who welcomes and accepts The Antichrist in 2010 AD.

Too funny.



cybrjewls -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/13/2008 2:22:15 AM)

LOL!! The Lord will keep this leader from all harm if He so desires to. There is No One Greater than He. He sets up Kingdoms and Empires and gives Leaders their authority on earth. He, Alone, is God and We are the Pasture of His keep. Hillary and her Husband have acknowledged that God is a God of Love publicly. It is written in The Holy Scriptures regarding how King Nebudcadnezer confessed this after enduring the Angelic Judgment proclaimed when He did not acknowledge that God had ordained Him as Ruler of such a Great Empire as the Babylonian Empire was. Jeremiah was set free by him to roam the Kingdom after The King (called my servant by God to subdue nations) had believed the prophecy and relapsed afterwards. Furthermore, Daniel the Prophet of God, as Wise man ,was seated and personally trained in the Kingdom's mores, law and language and appointed as a Governor called a Satrap over Provinces.

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ORIGINAL: CrimsonMoon

The Bible Code shows that OBAMA will be ASSASSINATED by a GUNMAN in the hebrew month of TISHRI (Sept 29 to Oct 30) and that HILLARY will become the USA President who welcomes and accepts The Antichrist in 2010 AD.

Too funny.



bob97 -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/13/2008 1:59:00 PM)

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The Bible Code shows that OBAMA will be ASSASSINATED by a GUNMAN in the hebrew month of TISHRI (Sept 29 to Oct 30) and that HILLARY will become the USA President who welcomes and accepts The Antichrist in 2010 AD.


So Hillary is chosen as Obama's VP and then before the election Obama goes down...Hillary then without campaigning is elected over McCain and becomes President. That is a very interesting scenario.

Bob



bob97 -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/13/2008 2:04:35 PM)

I will say one thing. If Hillary is the VP candidate for Obama and Obama is killed just before the election, she (Hillary) would most likely be a shoe in because of public sympathy.

Bob



cow451 -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/14/2008 11:07:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CrimsonMoon

The Bible Code shows that OBAMA will be ASSASSINATED by a GUNMAN in the hebrew month of TISHRI (Sept 29 to Oct 30) and that HILLARY will become the USA President who welcomes and accepts The Antichrist in 2010 AD.

Too funny.

Link?



Retrobyter -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/14/2008 10:41:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bob97

I will say one thing. If Hillary is the VP candidate for Obama and Obama is killed just before the election, she (Hillary) would most likely be a shoe in because of public sympathy.

Bob

Shalom, Bob.

Just a little levity here; not being serious, okay?

I was just playing around with people's names and discovered this: If "Barack Obama" were a Hebrew name based on a Hebrew phrase, based on pronunciation, it would be spelled in transliteration as "Baraq `Oh-Bamah" which means "Lightning Desire-[of]-Elevation." Interesting, eh?

Retrobyter



bob97 -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/14/2008 11:10:34 PM)

hummmm...yes that is interesting.

Bob



Retrobyter -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/14/2008 11:16:07 PM)

Shalom, everyone.

I think that certain assumptions are made about the "Lawless One" (whom many erroneously call the "Antichrist") that are unfounded by any Scriptures and are dangerous!

Here's one as an example: The word "lawless" is from the Greek word "anomia" meaning "no" or "without" ("a-") and the "Law" ("-nomos") of God delivered by Moshe (Moses) at Mount Sinai. Thus, it is someone who believes that we no longer need to keep the Torah. That could apply to ANY Gentile Christian! However, I believe that it makes better sense to see that this "Lawless One" will probably be a Jew, since such a word is most heinous TO the Jews! If a Goy (a Gentile) were "lawless," that would come as no surprise. Jews might even EXPECT a Goy to be "lawless!" BUT, a JEW to be "LAWLESS"?! Other Jews, especially the Orthodox, would be outraged!

Retrobyter



tracydolls -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/15/2008 1:00:55 PM)

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tracydolls, where you a Christian from birth?



Can a person be a Christian from birth? I'm not sure. Have I always been a Christian, as far as I can remember I have. I have never believed in anything else but Jesus.



Peter_Gunn -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/15/2008 1:13:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tracydolls

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tracydolls, where you a Christian from birth?



Can a person be a Christian from birth? I'm not sure. Have I always been a Christian, as far as I can remember I have. I have never believed in anything else but Jesus.


Interesting! This is a bit off subject, but I like old-fashioned testamonies. Please tell us your story...what were the circumstances surrounding your salvation experience and who led you to the Lord?



ta_mosquito -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/15/2008 11:01:11 PM)

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Interesting! This is a bit off subject, but I like old-fashioned testamonies. Please tell us your story...what were the circumstances surrounding your salvation experience and who led you to the Lord?


You're right - this is off topic. If TracyDolls wants to respond, she may do so in a PM. Please don't post it here.


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Sola37 -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/24/2008 2:07:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Birdiecat

Let's go back to Obama's criticism of Hillary Clinton saying she would defend Israel in case of attack. As a Christian I agree with Mrs. Clinton. I don't feel like a Christian would criticize her statement. We should defend Israel. Been reading John Hagee's book, The Jerusalem Countdown. In it he has talks about a possible Democrat winning the White House in 2008. Israel is attacked but the Democrat in the White House refuses military aid to Israel. That would leave America open to the wrath of God! It is our duty to defend Israel and her people. Would Barack Obama do that? I don't think he would. I think there are some mean people behind this man! I am afraid he will get the White House. What will happen to us typical white folks?


Just some advice, I would use extreme caution reading anything from Hagee,l especially concerning Israel



MrFribbles -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/24/2008 11:22:04 AM)

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Can a person be a Christian from birth? I'm not sure. Have I always been a Christian, as far as I can remember I have. I have never believed in anything else but Jesus.


I highly doubt that, in the technical sense that as far as I know, nobody pops out of the womb with faith in Christ. My point being, Obama may have once been an atheist, but technically speaking, so were we all at one point, prior to being developed enough to comprehend the concept of God.
Also, if we go accusing someone of having multiple "heads" just because they converted from another belief, than many Christians are potential many-headed people.
Furthermore, when we become Christians, we are new creations. I contend that holding past beliefs against fellow believers is unbiblical.



WildByNature -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/24/2008 1:38:05 PM)

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He admits he was atheist, he went to a cult of the Moslem leaning Church and became a Christian.


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ORIGINAL: MrFribbles
I highly doubt that, in the technical sense that as far as I know, nobody pops out of the womb with faith in Christ. My point being, Obama may have once been an atheist, but technically speaking, so were we all at one point, prior to being developed enough to comprehend the concept of God.
Also, if we go accusing someone of having multiple "heads" just because they converted from another belief, than many Christians are potential many-headed people.
Furthermore, when we become Christians, we are new creations. I contend that holding past beliefs against fellow believers is unbiblical.


BO never became a Christian -- that is, one who worships the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He began to call himself a "christian" only at the peading of his wife, for the sake of running for office -- just as he began to call himself an African-American while in truth he is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side, 43.75% Arabic and only 6.25% African-Negro from his father's side. His father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African-Negro.

A vote for Obama is a vote for our first Arab-American president, not our first African-American president.

BO claims his grandmother has always been a Christian, yet she does her daily Salat prayers at 5AM according to her own interviews. Not to mention that she was 1 of 14 wives to 1 man -- which Christianity would never allow.

I won't even get into the burning of Christians' homes, and men women and children being burned alive in a Christian Church where they took shelter from Obama's cousin's, Raila Odinga's, followers when he lost the presidential election in Kenya. Not to mention that since losing the election he has violently tried to overthrow the pro-American government to instill Sharia Muslim law in Kenya. OB's half-brother is a follower of Odinga's. The 3 of them have a very tight relationship.

Even the so-called christian church that BO attended practices a false Christianity called Black Liberation Theology. They admittedly won't follow or worship a God that is not black and does not call for the black man to rule over the white man. They don't believe in God bless America, they admittedly believe in "God damn America" -- due to its treatment of the black man. If some of you recall, even Hitler threw in some Christian language in Mein Kampf -- that doesn't make him a Christian. Black Liberation Theology is NOT Christianity -- its closer to Marxism.

I, for one, am not holding his past beliefs against him, I am judging him on his CURRENT beliefs -- and do not find him a Christian in any biblical sense.

However, being that these are the last days, he does seem a good candidate for God to use to fulfill prophecy -- compared to McCain. But ... who knows.



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MrFribbles -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/24/2008 6:23:10 PM)

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BO never became a Christian


Oh, so you've met with him? Talked with him about it personally? Or perhaps God, the only true judge of a man's heart, has told you this?

I find it strange that so many people base their view of Obama's role in prophecy, if he has one at all, on his religious beliefs - and that those views on his religious beliefs seem to come primarily from where? Not Obama himself, I'm quite sure. I am curious, however.

*edited because the first draft was a tad bit testy on my part*



Retrobyter -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/24/2008 6:43:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrFribbles

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BO never became a Christian


Oh, so you've met with him? Talked with him about it personally? Or perhaps God, the only true judge of a man's heart, has told you this?

I find it strange that so many people base their view of Obama's role in prophecy, if he has one at all, on his religious beliefs - and that those views on his religious beliefs seem to come primarily from where? Not Obama himself, I'm quite sure. I am curious, however.

*edited because the first draft was a tad bit testy on my part*


Shalom, MrFribbles.

I'm with you on this point. All of my previous kidding aside, I can only say that there is a SLIGHT chance that Obama could fill some role in prophecy. HOWEVER, we have NOTHING that speaks directly, internal to the Scriptures or external, to verify that he does fulfill a role.

Furthermore, regardless of his "pedigree," he is 100% HUMAN! He is a man who is popular and clean enough to run as a presidential candidate. So, let's cut the man some slack! He is susceptible to the same foibles as any man is; he has certain preconceptions that will slant his decisions in office, and he can make good and bad decisions, like anyone! What we need to do is to start PRAYING for the man! Whether he makes it to the president's office or not, whether he's a legitimate heir to God's kingdom or not, we need to pray for him!

Retrobyter



i-live-2-ride -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/24/2008 7:03:56 PM)

In this news article it sure sounds like Barack Obama is talking about Himself as being the one who'll create a unified planet, or New World Order if you will. Over and over again I find myself thinking that this guy must be a biblical End Times figure from the way he speaks and the way people are enamoured by him though they don't know why.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/12028.html

Obama promises to 'remake the world'
Billed as a speech about Transatlantic relations, it turned out to be a manifesto for the planet, with an appeal to “the burdens of global citizenship.”

* Obama also makes it clear where he stands on the border security fence that America wants between us and Mexico to try too curb illegals aliens and terrorists from entering our country...
“The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand,” he said. The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes, natives and immigrants, Christians and Muslims and Jews cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down.”

* Also, in December of 2001 in Chicago, IL where Barack Obama lives, was it mere coincidence when the president of the Illinois Division of the United Nations Association of the United States said that '...despite the chaos in the world today... "Within 10 years time, you're going to see the beginnings of an embryonic world order." '


* Similarly, in October 2007, in a speech in South Carolina, Barack made this curious request... 'Barack Obama asked a church audience in South Carolina to help him become “an instrument of God” and join him in creating “a Kingdom right here on Earth." '

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Why would a person wanting to be the US president talk about wanting to create a kingdom here on earth? While I don't think he's 'the' anti-christ, given what we know about him, his background, his choice of words and friends, and how people all over the world are drawn to him - though few can give a reasonable answer why... if he is not tied into the end time prophecies, then he's as close as we've ever seen. Time to get our affairs in order don't you think?



Peter_Gunn -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/24/2008 9:54:01 PM)

Did you see the news coverage of Senator Obama's speech in Germany today? I didn't see the speech, but I saw footage of the thousands of Germans gathering to see him! Why on earth would Germans be interested in hearing an American presidential candidate speak?

It only goes to show he has universal appeal. It would be easy for him to totally "take in" the world.



MrFribbles -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/24/2008 11:09:53 PM)

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Why on earth would Germans be interested in hearing an American presidential candidate speak?


...Because he's not Bush? We aren't too liked by pretty much the rest of the world, and be it correct or not, President Bush is one of the major causes for that, so the prospect of a president who is more agreeable to the Germans is likely very exciting for them.



bob97 -> RE: Obama and The End Times... (7/24/2008 11:17:34 PM)

Yes the secular world hates anything of God and it embraces anything that would unite a secular world.

Bob



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