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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/22/2008 11:07:12 AM
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Leslie_JnJs_mom
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I do not have the most popular opinion but I strongly believe in personal responsibility. If someone wants to go to a good school well they need to work for it and not have it handed to them because of their sex, race or sexual orientation. Same thing with jobs. You know my mom was tired of being poor, never having a running car and always having the utilities turned off. It was embarrassing for her to stand in a line waiting for food the government was handing out. So she got some grants worked two jobs and went to school. She became an RN. She now has a very nice home a brand new car and lives quite well. No special hand outs because she is white, female, and even overweight. Sometimes people have to work really hard to get what they want. I think many in our country of every race and gender sometimes think that they should be handed things.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/22/2008 11:30:38 AM
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Leslie, I'm afraid you've hit the nail on the head. "Personal responsibility" seems to have become a four-letter word these days! To say one is responsible for their own actions would require the acceptance of being born with a sinful nature, absolute truth and lots of other nasty things!  And that would be very harmful to ones self-esteem! We must, above all things, protect our self-esteem, now musn't we?
And, Jimbo...right there with you! I spent the first 43 years of my life in Metro Atlanta (I'm now 45!) and went to public school from first grade through high school. We had a very mixed school population and everyone there had the same teachers, same courses and very same tests.
My kids (five of 'em) have also been through the GA school system. We can't/couldn't pay for college for any of them so they've had to rely on plain old hard work and scholorships. The fact that they're blond and blue-eyed hasn't helped one iota. It's been tough, and still is, for them to pay for school. The fact is, if they'd been of a racial minority, they would have probably had a lot more help. There are many, many scholorships that have been closed to them because they happen to be plain old white kids.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/22/2008 12:12:09 PM
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Closie
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Who created AA and who keeps it going? Seems to me white males started it and white males could end it. White males lead the judiciary and legislative branches of this country. Why don't they stop it? If you're a leader - and white males in this country are - why don't they end it? Sure people will fuss but if it's right, why don't they stand on their principles and end it? Babies fuss when you wipe their noses but as the responsible adult, you do it because it's best. Why not AA?
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/22/2008 1:58:43 PM
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rcjames
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Who created AA and who keeps it going? responsible adult, you do it because it's best. Why not AA?
I would say the liberal demokrats who are consumed with false guilt, prejudice, and a really over worked arrogance.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/22/2008 2:16:23 PM
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They use to have me train spec. ed teachers in a behavior room. I used to wanna cry at what was coming out of college.
Well: ignorant in; ignorant out.
This is just the normal result of letting low SAT scorers into college before they are qualified and ahead of the higher scorers.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/22/2008 2:17:40 PM
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AA has turned into an entitlement program. Can you imagine the war that would erupt if a white man introduced a bill in congress that repealed AA? Too many people have their power invested in AA. Unfortunately it won't end. There's probably a better chance of getting rid of the IRS than AA.
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Who created AA and who keeps it going? Seems to me white males started it and white males could end it. White males lead the judiciary and legislative branches of this country. Why don't they stop it? If you're a leader - and white males in this country are - why don't they end it? Sure people will fuss but if it's right, why don't they stand on their principles and end it? Babies fuss when you wipe their noses but as the responsible adult, you do it because it's best. Why not AA?
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/22/2008 2:23:18 PM
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Closie
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Who created AA and who keeps it going? responsible adult, you do it because it's best. Why not AA?
I would say the liberal demokrats who are consumed with false guilt, prejudice, and a really over worked arrogance.
Thanks
RC
Richard Nixon? liberal?
Anyway, I still don't understand then why, when Republicans controlled both the legislative and executive branches between 2000-2006, it wasn't eliminated from Federal statutes since it is so harmful to white men and in those it seeks - in theory - to help? Yes there would fussing, but the war in Iraq isn't popular but President felt it was right so he did it, convinced others who thought like him that it was right. White males could end it tomorrow at the state and federal levels. My guess is they won't end it in business since so many of them benefit via their spouses.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/22/2008 2:26:29 PM
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Anyway, I still don't understand then why, when Republicans controlled both the legislative and executive branches between 2000-2006, it wasn't eliminated from Federal statutes since it is so harmful to white men and in those it seeks - in theory - to help? Yes there would fussing, but the war in Iraq isn't popular but President felt it was right so he did it, convinced others who thought like him that it was right. White males could end it tomorrow at the state and federal levels. My guess is they won't end it in business since so many of them benefit via their spouses.
To see why it will not go away examine the popularity of Sharpton, Jackson, etc. Has nothing to do with white men's spouses. It has to do with claiming victimhood and unsubstantiated reward.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/22/2008 2:34:55 PM
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davemiller7
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You and Leslie35 are so right. AA has turned into an entitlement program.
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Leslie, I'm afraid you've hit the nail on the head. "Personal responsibility" seems to have become a four-letter word these days! To say one is responsible for their own actions would require the acceptance of being born with a sinful nature, absolute truth and lots of other nasty things! And that would be very harmful to ones self-esteem! We must, above all things, protect our self-esteem, now musn't we?
And, Jimbo...right there with you! I spent the first 43 years of my life in Metro Atlanta (I'm now 45!) and went to public school from first grade through high school. We had a very mixed school population and everyone there had the same teachers, same courses and very same tests.
My kids (five of 'em) have also been through the GA school system. We can't/couldn't pay for college for any of them so they've had to rely on plain old hard work and scholorships. The fact that they're blond and blue-eyed hasn't helped one iota. It's been tough, and still is, for them to pay for school. The fact is, if they'd been of a racial minority, they would have probably had a lot more help. There are many, many scholorships that have been closed to them because they happen to be plain old white kids.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/22/2008 2:42:53 PM
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Closie
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Anyway, I still don't understand then why, when Republicans controlled both the legislative and executive branches between 2000-2006, it wasn't eliminated from Federal statutes since it is so harmful to white men and in those it seeks - in theory - to help? Yes there would fussing, but the war in Iraq isn't popular but President felt it was right so he did it, convinced others who thought like him that it was right. White males could end it tomorrow at the state and federal levels. My guess is they won't end it in business since so many of them benefit via their spouses.
To see why it will not go away examine the popularity of Sharpton, Jackson, etc. Has nothing to do with white men's spouses. It has to do with claiming victimhood and unsubstantiated reward.
Sharpton, Jackson, etc are popular with the white males who can end AA? Excuse me, the white males who started and can end AA.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/22/2008 2:43:23 PM
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rcjames
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That is about money, not AA. I cannot get into them either.
It is not about money (more money is spent on tnter-city schools than anyother), it is about political correctness and AA.
Why graduate someone who is not qualifies to graduate; fear of law suits, promoting the liberal agenda, and knowing that AA will get them in a college no matter how ignorant they are or how bad their SAT scores are.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/22/2008 2:45:17 PM
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Ok, who was the black man Will Smith played, sorry so much is going on I cannot think. He was homeless and rose above his lot in life with a son to boot. I feel no sense of entitlement as I said before, if I am not the best do not pick me for a job, I want to get by on work ethic, and talent that is given by God. who wants to be the have to pick person, not this woman. I have confidence in the abilities given to me by God, and his goodness.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/22/2008 2:51:22 PM
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Anyway, I still don't understand then why, when Republicans controlled both the legislative and executive branches between 2000-2006, it wasn't eliminated from Federal statutes since it is so harmful to white men and in those it seeks - in theory - to help? Yes there would fussing, but the war in Iraq isn't popular but President felt it was right so he did it, convinced others who thought like him that it was right. White males could end it tomorrow at the state and federal levels. My guess is they won't end it in business since so many of them benefit via their spouses.
To see why it will not go away examine the popularity of Sharpton, Jackson, etc. Has nothing to do with white men's spouses. It has to do with claiming victimhood and unsubstantiated reward.
Sharpton, Jackson, etc are popular with the white males who can end AA? Excuse me, the white males who started and can end AA.
They are popular with minorities and liberals, not white males in general. White males also cannot just end AA. How many court cases challenge laws, etc. just to give minorities of all persuasions (race, sex, sexual preference, etc.) a right that most folks do not have. Reality bites! 
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/22/2008 2:59:29 PM
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Closie
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Anyway, I still don't understand then why, when Republicans controlled both the legislative and executive branches between 2000-2006, it wasn't eliminated from Federal statutes since it is so harmful to white men and in those it seeks - in theory - to help? Yes there would fussing, but the war in Iraq isn't popular but President felt it was right so he did it, convinced others who thought like him that it was right. White males could end it tomorrow at the state and federal levels. My guess is they won't end it in business since so many of them benefit via their spouses.
To see why it will not go away examine the popularity of Sharpton, Jackson, etc. Has nothing to do with white men's spouses. It has to do with claiming victimhood and unsubstantiated reward.
Sharpton, Jackson, etc are popular with the white males who can end AA? Excuse me, the white males who started and can end AA.
They are popular with minorities and liberals, not white males in general. White males also cannot just end AA. How many court cases challenge laws, etc. just to give minorities of all persuasions (race, sex, sexual preference, etc.) a right that most folks do not have. Reality bites!
Reality does indeed bite. It's easier to play the victim that it is to accept the facts. Courts across the country have placed limits or eliminated preferences. The courts are controlled by white males. A white male, Bakke, started the end of it. All by himself. One white guy. Why didn't the others - judges, lawyers, construction workers, fishermen, ordinary people who felt disenfranchised- do the same? A guy here said he's a dispatcher and affected by AA. He can complain here or do something about through the Kentucky courts. There are 4 or 5 black people in the Kentucky legislature. The Senate is Republican; the state is conservative. Why can't the white males in that state end it?
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/22/2008 4:46:56 PM
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You need to move to the South. Down here, all kids, red & yellow, black & white, all attend the same schools from pre-K through 12th grade - and even at the state college level. And they have since I was in 9th grade - some 42 years ago. Same schools, same classes, same teachers, same textbooks, same opportunity to learn and excel.
jimbo,
here in the north, the inner-city schools are a far cry from the suburban schools.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/22/2008 4:53:38 PM
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You need to move to the South. Down here, all kids, red & yellow, black & white, all attend the same schools from pre-K through 12th grade - and even at the state college level. And they have since I was in 9th grade - some 42 years ago. Same schools, same classes, same teachers, same textbooks, same opportunity to learn and excel.
jimbo,
here in the north, the inner-city schools are a far cry from the suburban schools.
We don't have "inner-city" schools where I live, just one school system.
If you want to go back to the last century: My city had two elementary schools (1-6) and one high school (7-12) for all children. It had not been that way in the 50s and early 60s, but when I began 7th grade, there was only the one set of schools. After my class graduated, there were no children from that point on that received a different education in public schools.
Like I said, you should move South.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/22/2008 5:14:39 PM
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tracydolls
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If someone wants to go to a good school well they need to work for it and not have it handed to them because of their sex, race or sexual orientation
How can a 6, 7 or 8 years old WORK for a good school in their community?
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There are many, many scholorships that have been closed to them because they happen to be plain old white kids .
no scholarships were closed to white people, some were created for black people.
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To see why it will not go away examine the popularity of Sharpton, Jackson, etc. Has nothing to do with white men's spouses. It has to do with claiming victimhood and unsubstantiated reward.
Racism will not go away. Or those that say there is no racism.
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It's easier to play the victim that it is to accept the facts.
I agree, whites are now playing the victim of reverse and just won't accept the fact that this is a racist country that needs AA.
Won't admit they kept black people down with their "get whipped if I catch you reading"
Won't admit that they burned schools, churches to keep the negro from progressing.
Now they are the victims of discrimination.
I'm like this has got to be the cruelest joke ever.
We were dicriminated against for 100's of years, but a few blacks get thru with AA, and then
that is a false victimhood for real!
please scrap it.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/22/2008 5:25:20 PM
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Won't admit they kept black people down with their "get whipped if I catch you reading"
Won't admit that they burned schools, churches to keep the negro from progressing.
Now they are the victims of discrimination.
I'm like this has got to be the cruelest joke ever.
We were dicriminated against for 100's of years, but a few blacks get thru with AA, and then
that is a false victimhood for real!
This is exactly why affirmative action should end. It does nothing but perpetuate victimhood in people who weren't victimized.
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who was the black man Will Smith played, sorry so much is going on I cannot think. He was homeless and rose above his lot in life with a son to boot. I feel no sense of entitlement as I said before, if I am not the best do not pick me for a job, I want to get by on work ethic, and talent that is given by God. who wants to be the have to pick person, not this woman. I have confidence in the abilities given to me by God, and his goodness.
His name is Chris Gardner. I had the distinct pleasure of meeting Mr. Gardner and hearing him speak just a few months ago. Not only did he tell a mixed-race audience that no one is responsible for their education or employment but themselves, I watched and heard him tell a room full of homeless men that they were the only thing keeping them homeless. And he said if they didn't want to be homeless, they'd find a way not to be.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/22/2008 5:43:43 PM
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tracydolls
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a false victimhood for real!
This is exactly why affirmative action should end. It does nothing but perpetuate victimhood in people who weren't victimized
Agreed, Scrap it.
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His name is Chris Gardner. I had the distinct pleasure of meeting Mr. Gardner and hearing him speak just a few months ago. Not only did he tell a mixed-race audience that no one is responsible for their education or employment but themselves, I watched and heard him tell a room full of homeless men that they were the only thing keeping them homeless. And he said if they didn't want to be homeless, they'd find a way not to be.
did'nt like him when I heard him
one success story does not cover millions of people
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