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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/25/2008 7:46:03 AM
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Actually a privately funded college in my opinion should be able to recruit on any basis. Usually they would go mostly on merit because the success rate of their students in the real world is "free advertising".
The exclusivity is another "selling point" for colleges. Remember a privately owned college IS a business. I would totally be against AA in privately owned colleges.
State colleges...they are under the State and you get what you get.
( That's right. I support the individual's right to associate with the people he/she wants to associate with in privately owned clubs/associations. Now, that could define someone as racist, which to me is better because its in the open, not covered up in laws forcing them to intigrate. Forcing a privately owned golf course to intigrate, in my opinion is wrong. I will also add, going to a privately owned golf course that does this makes you a racist but I believe in our country people have the God given right to be stupid )
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/25/2008 11:59:11 AM
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I just love Bill Cosby! Here are his thoughts on all of this.
Bill Cosby
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/25/2008 4:36:55 PM
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I just love Bill Cosby! Here are his thoughts on all of this.
LOL Bill Cosby is a"frightened atheist" as he says in first book. He also refused to march during the Civil Rights Movement, actually turned down MLK. Now on a DVD at Amazon, he has been going to the Playboy Mansion since the '60's. A lover of prostitutes. He's like a joke in our community, no one really listens to him.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/25/2008 7:33:08 PM
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I always think of him from the Cosby Show. I loved that show. I know Oprah likes him I turned on the news and Oprah was still on. There was Bill Cosby. My daughter also loves Little Bill. He made that cartoon in fact the lady that played his wife plays Little Bill's mom.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/25/2008 7:37:30 PM
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I always think of him from the Cosby Show. I loved that show. I know Oprah likes him I turned on the news and Oprah was still on. There was Bill Cosby. My daughter also loves Little Bill. He made that cartoon in fact the lady that played his wife plays Little Bill's mom.
Oprah? Go look up Oprah on here.
Bill was "acting" on his show. Read what his actual daughters say.
Back to OP
I wish they would scrap it, AA.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/27/2008 6:25:06 AM
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Here's an old article that I recently ran across. Are any of you familiar with the term "Development Admits" as it relates to college admissions?
One part of the debate regarding affirmative action in college admissions, is what seems to me to be an underlying assumption, that college admissions other than for racial preferences, are always based on academic merit alone.
So after you read the following article, tell me what you think about this kind of preference. From reading most of the opponents views on AA, I don't think rich kids or any other minority group, getting an "unearned" benefit, bothers them as much as black kids getting it.
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/Polk_Rich_Applicants.htm
"Most universities acknowledge favoring children of alumni who support their alma mater. But to attract prospective donors, colleges are also bending admissions standards to make space for children from rich or influential families that lack longstanding ties to the institutions. Through referrals and word-of-mouth, schools identify applicants from well-to-do families. Then, as soon as these students enroll, universities start soliciting gifts from their parents."
- Julius
This is the type of preference is why AA programs are still needed. I'm actually surprised that this report was put out and don't think for 1 minute that Duke University is the only private(in some cases public) institution that is practicing "Development Admits".
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This is exactly how GWB got into Yale. I wish my parents were wealthy, maybe I would have been admitted to Yale also. 
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/27/2008 7:41:37 AM
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I support the individual's right to associate with the people he/she wants to associate with in privately owned clubs/associations.
Now when it comes to political threads Son you and I are pretty much on the same page.
I believe we should have the right in this country to associate with whom we please without fear of discrimination or being called ugly names.
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I just love Bill Cosby! Here are his thoughts on all of this.
I like Bill Cosby too because he tells people to take responsibility for their own actions and don't expect others to come in behind you and clean up the mess you have made of your own life or blame them because "you" wasted opportunities to imporve your lot in life.
For some reason I could not make the link work. Maybe it's busy or something.
I believe the reason so many insitutions of higher learning ask him to speak at their campuses is because he exhibits a higher degree of thinking.
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This is the type of preference is why AA programs are still needed.
Duke is a private university. It's really none of our business what a group of people decide to do with their money or how they choose to educate their children. If I am jealous or covet what they have then it's my problem not theirs.
I don't believe the government needs to stick it's nose into our private home, school, church, clubs, organizations or anything else as long as what we are doing is not illegal. I believe in the right to be a "private citizen' in this country.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/27/2008 10:52:12 PM
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"Development admits" are as old as education. Just like legacies in sororities and fraternities. If I needed a multi-million dollar building and someone would pay for it in return for Junior getting admitted, I'd do it, too. There are very few of these admissions and such donations far exceed the amount of money spent educating a student.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/27/2008 11:25:29 PM
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"''Have you seen the facts, brothers and sisters? Our schools are being resegregated. Today 80 percent of white students go to all-white schools. Wealthy white schools get the most money and they hire the best teachers and have the best facilities, computers for every student, send them to the best colleges so they get the best jobs.""'
http://www.nathanielturner.com/ifwhiteamericahadbillcosby.htm
Billy Graham and what he says about it. The Preacher.
""Brothers and sisters, today we are living through the worst moral crisis that’s ever threatened our Christian nation. Tonight I want to be like Jesus and get right to the heart of the matter. We need to stop blaming the victims. That's right. We need to look at ourselves first, at where we’re at today morally."''
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/27/2008 11:40:26 PM
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I think we might be talking about two different things?
Universities--public or private--are different than elementary and secondary schools. They're different because everyone has to pay to attend.
The problem with elementary and secondary schools--at least in my state--is that schools are funded by a formula that basically adds property taxes to state money. The state allocates $x.xx for each student. But one school district might be quite wealthy, while the one next door isn't. We have this exact same situation in my city. One rural school district is rolling in money. There are fewer than 500 kids benefiting from the taxes of not only wealthy landowners, but also the school taxes paid by three very large companies.
Not five miles away is another district serving about 1500 students. This district is situated directly in one of our area's poorest neighborhoods--predominantly white--with zero large businesses to contribute. Their scores are lower, they have trouble recruiting teachers, etc.
The state has suggested a "Robin Hood" plan in which all school taxes would be equally distributed statewide, but as you can imagine, property owners are loudly against the plan. They want the money they pay to benefit the kids where they live. That is understandable, but it certainly isn't equitable.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 7:40:14 AM
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"''Have you seen the facts, brothers and sisters? Our schools are being resegregated. Today 80 percent of white students go to all-white schools. Wealthy white schools get the most money and they hire the best teachers and have the best facilities, computers for every student, send them to the best colleges so they get the best jobs.""'
http://www.nathanielturner.com/ifwhiteamericahadbillcosby.htm
Billy Graham and what he says about it. The Preacher.
""Brothers and sisters, today we are living through the worst moral crisis that’s ever threatened our Christian nation. Tonight I want to be like Jesus and get right to the heart of the matter. We need to stop blaming the victims. That's right. We need to look at ourselves first, at where we’re at today morally."''
These are not quotes from Billy Graham or Bill Cosby. They are taken from a article in The Black Commentator. The quotes come from Johnathan Scott. Scott said "...the sermon that Reverend Billy Graham would have delivered on to the heads of white America had he forgotten, for just a day or two, his own whiteness – if he had been a white Bill Cosby." The title of the Article was "If White American had a Bill Cosby"
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 9:11:56 AM
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I did'nt say they were from Bill Cosby. From my understanding this was Billy Graham in
Ford Field, Detroit, Michigan
70,000 people in attendance, June 5, 2005
I'll reread article.
Bill Cosby said from his NAACP
http://www.eightcitiesmap.com/transcript_bc.htm
""The church is only open on Sunday. And you can’t keep asking Jesus to ask doing things for you (clapping). You can’t keep asking that God will find a way. God is tired of you (clapping and laughing). God was there when they won all those cases. 50 in a row. That’s where God was because these people were doing something. And God said, “I’m going to find a way.” I wasn’t there when God said it… I’m making this up (laughter). But it sounds like what God would do (laughter). ""
Bill Cosby not allowed to give speeches after this because of a sexual assualt charge by a woman. The case has been settled.
""Cosby's attorneys filed a motion last week asking for an order barring the parties from discussing any information disclosed during the discovery phase of the trial, including the depositions of other women who claim to have been harassed or assaulted by the comedian.""
http://www.courttv.com/people/2005/0511/cosby_ap.html
Bill Cosby on DVD going back to the '60's at Playboy Mansion
http://www.amazon.com/Playboy-Inside-Mansion/dp/B00005V1XN
"""Includes rare footage, vintage photographs and interviews with Pam Anderson, Drew Carey, Bill Cosby and many more. """
He also punched Tommy smothers.
Now a man that DID NOT march in the Civil Rights during the '60's, goes to the Playboy Mansion while married, Uses violence, and sexually asssaults women?
WE are suppose to listen to him? No thanks.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 9:18:19 AM
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I think we might be talking about two different things?
Universities--public or private--are different than elementary and secondary schools. They're different because everyone has to pay to attend.
They are connected. If the elementary schools are producing low scoring kids, these are the same kids that have to take SAT's to get into college. It's not their fault these schools are terrible and ran the way they are.
I personally hope they scrap AA. It has not helped Black people as a whole.
Saved" The wealth passed down from their grandparents and parents made off Black people. That's where the problem is.
WE don't have the passed down wealth. Even if it is said that we are equal in other fields. Which is a lie also.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 9:25:50 AM
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...he has been going to the Playboy Mansion since the '60's. A lover of prostitutes....
Just for clarification: Do you believe the Payboy Mansion is a bordello and Playboy Bunnies are prostitutes?
I would never go there and it's a place I think no Christian should visit, but bordello & prostitutes?
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 9:28:37 AM
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WE don't have the passed down wealth. Even if it is said that we are equal in other fields. Which is a lie also.
Without a lot of thought, just two of my childhood heroes come to mind: George Washington Carver and Louis Armstrong. And quite a number since the 70s!
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 9:39:54 AM
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Without a lot of thought, just two of my childhood heroes come to mind: George Washington Carver and Louis Armstrong. And quite a number since the 70s!
they had passed down wealth? Since I was born BEFORE the 60's I guess I would not be affected?
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 9:41:05 AM
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...he has been going to the Playboy Mansion since the '60's. A lover of prostitutes....
Just for clarification: Do you believe the Payboy Mansion is a bordello and Playboy Bunnies are prostitutes?
I would never go there and it's a place I think no Christian should visit, but bordello & prostitutes?
What are they selling-sex? A prostitute.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 10:05:03 AM
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I think we might be talking about two different things?
Universities--public or private--are different than elementary and secondary schools. They're different because everyone has to pay to attend.
They are connected. If the elementary schools are producing low scoring kids, these are the same kids that have to take SAT's to get into college. It's not their fault these schools are terrible and ran the way they are.
And there are many schools that don't take SATs and ACTs into consideration. I work at one.
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The wealth passed down from their grandparents and parents made off Black people. That's where the problem is.
WE don't have the passed down wealth. Even if it is said that we are equal in other fields. Which is a lie also.
Wow. I'm sorry your life has been so narrow that you think white people are living off your ancestors and black people aren't wealthy. This kind of attitude perpetuates policies like affirmative action, are you not aware of that?
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 10:13:58 AM
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Without a lot of thought, just two of my childhood heroes come to mind: George Washington Carver and Louis Armstrong. And quite a number since the 70s!
they had passed down wealth? Since I was born BEFORE the 60's I guess I would not be affected?
A. They are not just equal, but excelled in their field,
B. The "wealth" they passed down transcends money, though their descendents may or may not receive financial benefits. Somebody is benefitting from the CDs I have of Louis.
Beyond that, I don't personally know anyone that has received financial wealth from a previous generation. I haven't. None of my grandparents left me more than good memories and neither my wife or I will receive anything from our parents. There are white folk with mounds of money to pass on, but none in my family or those I know.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 10:33:33 AM
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Wow. I'm sorry your life has been so narrow that you think white people are living off your ancestors and black people aren't wealthy. This kind of attitude perpetuates policies like affirmative action, are you not aware of that?
I got facts to for my family. And since I do alot of geneolgy free for black people, I have looked up many, many families.
The Whitfields owned over 4000 slaves. They now own banks, oil co. railroads, etc. The Whitfields are my family.
Here's another story
http://www.seeingblack.com/2005/x040105/land_theft.shtml
Torn from the Land," a three-part series published by the Associated Press in December 2001, documented how generations of African Americans in the South and in Southern-border states have been driven from their land by thievery, intimidation, violence and murder. Through more than 1000 interviews and an examination of tens of thousands of public records, the exhaustive project revealed how 406 Black land owners lost 24,000 acres of farm and timber land, and dozens of smaller properties, including beachfront land, city lots and stores. According to the report, these cases are "only the tip" of a larger pattern that has led to a 91-year decline in Black land-ownership in the U.S. "Today," the series concludes, "virtually all of this property, valued at tens of millions of dollars, is held by Whites or corporations."
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 10:36:50 AM
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If a man admires your figure at work or on the beach, does that make you a prostitute? Definitions apparently have changed quite a lot since I was growing up.
We re getting off topic. Jimbo. You can say it's ok for a married man to frequent the Playboy Mansion for over 40 years. What doe he do after he leaves , sexually assault women? It's just that no one listens to Bill in my community.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 10:57:15 AM
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Beyond that, I don't personally know anyone that has received financial wealth from a previous generation. I haven't. None of my grandparents left me more than good memories and neither my wife or I will receive anything from our parents. There are white folk with mounds of money to pass on, but none in my family or those I know.
Me neither. A good number of my ancestors immigrated in the late 1800s and early 1900s and we've always been poor...my grandparents, great-grandparents, great-great-grandparents died without a penny to their name.
There's a terrible misconception, I think, that all white people have money and were slave owners. That fact of the matter is that only a few white people owned slaves--it's just that those few owned a lot. And they owned a lot of land, too. Most white people do not own land. And as far as racist laws and policies back in the day, they benefited for the same reason black people did not: skin color. It was not because they were rich or smart or anything else. It was randomly being born one color and not another.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 10:59:21 AM
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It's just that no one listens to Bill in my community.
Largely because they don't like what he has to say, not because he frequents the Playboy mansion.
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