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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 11:10:15 AM
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tracydolls
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Largely because they don't like what he has to say, not because he frequents the Playboy mansion.
No because he is a HYPOCRITE. He did not march when asked by MLK. Largely ignored it all until now?
just because your family is broke, does not mean white people did not benefit.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 11:26:02 AM
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Largely because they don't like what he has to say, not because he frequents the Playboy mansion.
No because he is a HYPOCRITE. He did not march when asked by MLK. Largely ignored it all until now?
That doesn't mean he's wrong.
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just because your family is broke, does not mean white people did not benefit.
That's not what I said.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 11:54:30 AM
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That doesn't mean he's wrong.
So you agree with what he says about "G-D is tired of you?"
I don't.
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Wow. I'm sorry your life has been so narrow that you think white people are living off your ancestors and black people aren't wealthy. This kind of attitude perpetuates policies like affirmative action, are you not aware of that?
I say that I have not lived a narrow life, I say that white people are living off and continue to live off Black people. and showed you a link where 15 MILLION acres have been stolen since 1900.
So at what time will it be equal? when we get our land back or paid from slavery.
I say no Jesus is the equalizer. These people(people that stole the land, enslaved, etc) will have to pay for their sins.
Again I say scrap AA.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 11:55:32 AM
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No because he is a HYPOCRITE. He did not march when asked by MLK. Largely ignored it all until now?
Let me get this straight; when MLK said frog then all blacks were supposed to jump.
That sounds a little racist to this ole boy.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 12:14:55 PM
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The wealth passed down from their grandparents and parents made off Black people. That's where the problem is.
This is false. Copied from "The Millionaire Next Door"
YOU OR YOUR ANCESTORS?
Most of America's millionaires are first-generation rich. How is it possible for people from modest backgrounds to become millionaires in one generation? Why is it that so many people with similar socioeconomic backgrounds never accumulate even modest amounts of wealth?
Most people who become millionaires have confidence in their own abilities. They do not spend time worrying about whether or not their parents were wealthy. They do not believe that one must be born wealthy. Conversely, people of modest backgrounds who believe that only the wealthy produce millionaires are predetermined to remain non-affluent. Have you always thought that most millionaires are born with silver spoons in their mouths? If so, consider the following facts that our research uncovered about American millionaires:
* Only 19 percent receive any income or wealth of any kind from a trust fund or an estate.
* Fewer than 20 percent inherited 10 percent or more of their wealth.
* More than half never received as much as $1 in inheritance.
* Fewer than 25 percent ever received "an act of kindness" of $10,000 or more from their parents, grandparents, or other relatives.
* Ninety-one percent never received, as a gift, as much as $1 of the ownership of a family business.
* Nearly half never received any college tuition from their parents or other relatives.
* Fewer than 10 percent believe they will ever receive an inheritance in the future.
America continues to hold great prospects for those who wish to accumulate wealth in one generation.
More than one hundred years ago the same was true. In The American Economy, Stanley Lebergott reviews a study conducted in 1892 of the 4,047 American millionaires. He reports that 84 percent "were nouveau riche, having reached the top without the benefit of inherited wealth."
Learn more at http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/s/stanley-millionaire.html
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 12:32:13 PM
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Your stats are fine. But we are talking about those that have inhereted wealth from racism, slavery, etc.
50% of this or that does not cover those we are talking about.
How many of there are they?
how about the stats for companies.
Your stats say worked for SOME rich, does this cover those that worked to steal a black person's land? Like went to court to lie, etc
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 12:36:17 PM
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WINNING ANCESTRY GROUPS
If the English ancestry group does not have the highest concentration of millionaire households, then which group does? The Russian ancestry group ranks first, the Scottish ranks second, and the Hungarian ranks third. Although the Russian ancestry group accounts for only about 1.1 percent of all households in America, it accounts for 6.4 percent of all millionaire households. We estimate that approximately 22 of every 100 households headed by someone of Russian ancestry has a net worth of $1 million or more. This is in sharp contrast to the English ancestry group, in which only 7.71 in 100 of its members are in the millionaire league. How much wealth does this Russian American millionaire group have in total? We estimate approximately $1.1 trillion, or nearly 5 percent of all the personal wealth in America today!
How can one explain the economic productivity of Russian Americans? In general, most American millionaires are manager-owners of businesses. Russians in disproportionate numbers are manager-owners of businesses. Further, this entrepreneurial spirit seems to translate from one generation of Russians to the next.
The Hungarian ancestry group also is entrepreneurially inclined. This group accounts for only 0.5 percent of all households in this country. Yet it makes up 2 percent of the millionaire households. Contrast this with the German ancestry group, which accounts for nearly one in five households (19.5 percent) in this country. Only 17.3 percent of all millionaire households are headed by persons of German ancestry, and only about 3.3 percent of German households are in the millionaire league.
http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/s/stanley-millionaire.html
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 12:36:20 PM
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Your stats say worked for SOME rich, does this cover those that worked to steal a black person's land? Like went to court to lie, etc
What stolen black folk's land?
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 1:26:22 PM
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ttp://www.seeingblack.com/2005/x040105/land_theft.shtml
Torn from the Land," a three-part series published by the Associated Press in December 2001, documented how generations of African Americans in the South and in Southern-border states have been driven from their land by thievery, intimidation, violence and murder. Through more than 1000 interviews and an examination of tens of thousands of public records, the exhaustive project revealed how 406 Black land owners lost 24,000 acres of farm and timber land, and dozens of smaller properties, including beachfront land, city lots and stores. According to the report, these cases are "only the tip" of a larger pattern that has led to a 91-year decline in Black land-ownership in the U.S. "Today," the series concludes, "virtually all of this property, valued at tens of millions of dollars, is held by Whites or corporations."
now we can go there and say that land did not belong to Blacks. It's the Natives, ok.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 1:31:24 PM
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What are you trying to say? That there are no people or companies TODAY that have no inhereted wealth from slavery, Jim Crow?
These stats cannot take away from that group. Where's the stats for them?
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 1:37:22 PM
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ttp://www.seeingblack.com/2005/x040105/land_theft.shtml
Torn from the Land," a three-part series published by the Associated Press in December 2001, documented how generations of African Americans in the South and in Southern-border states have been driven from their land by thievery, intimidation, violence and murder. Through more than 1000 interviews and an examination of tens of thousands of public records, the exhaustive project revealed how 406 Black land owners lost 24,000 acres of farm and timber land, and dozens of smaller properties, including beachfront land, city lots and stores. According to the report, these cases are "only the tip" of a larger pattern that has led to a 91-year decline in Black land-ownership in the U.S. "Today," the series concludes, "virtually all of this property, valued at tens of millions of dollars, is held by Whites or corporations."
now we can go there and say that land did not belong to Blacks. It's the Natives, ok.
Well, by your own logic, Native Americans should get all of the land back, and we should have nothing. Or, perhaps, we are to pay them all of our money to make it ok? Regardless, you cannot hold the people in today's society at fault for something someone else did 100 years ago.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 1:46:07 PM
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ttp://www.seeingblack.com/2005/x040105/land_theft.shtml
Torn from the Land," a three-part series published by the Associated Press in December 2001, documented how generations of African Americans in the South and in Southern-border states have been driven from their land by thievery, intimidation, violence and murder. Through more than 1000 interviews and an examination of tens of thousands of public records, the exhaustive project revealed how 406 Black land owners lost 24,000 acres of farm and timber land, and dozens of smaller properties, including beachfront land, city lots and stores. According to the report, these cases are "only the tip" of a larger pattern that has led to a 91-year decline in Black land-ownership in the U.S. "Today," the series concludes, "virtually all of this property, valued at tens of millions of dollars, is held by Whites or corporations."
now we can go there and say that land did not belong to Blacks. It's the Natives, ok.
Well, by your own logic, Native Americans should get all of the land back, and we should have nothing. Or, perhaps, we are to pay them all of our money to make it ok? Regardless, you cannot hold the people in today's society at fault for something someone else did 100 years ago.
My logic? ok, YEs, go back to Europe. You got stuff over there, right?
Everything that belongs to Europeans, rightfully you can have, all Europes natural resources. Give back the land to Natives.
FYI, AA was not started 100 years ago. 1965
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 1:48:13 PM
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You are arguing for it, so share the stats with us, please.
I gave the stats on land, business's , etc being stolen. Start there.
That land is being passed on to whites.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 2:00:29 PM
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I have nothing in Europe or in America. You make the argument that land here was taken from blacks. I make the argument that it was taken from indians first. Who has the greater claim
Natives have the greater claim, let's ask them what they would do? I'll go along with them
Do they want you to go back to Europe?
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 2:14:38 PM
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Natives have the greater claim, let's ask them what they would do? I'll go along with them
Do they want you to go back to Europe?
Are you trying to say that they would want me gone instead of or quicker than you? That is not a nice insinuation.
Man, wiping tears from my eyes , whew. I asked a question , apparently you answered it in your mind and then got mad at me!
Ps they would'nt put me out, got to much Choctaw that is provable.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 2:33:13 PM
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I am not mad at all. Some of your answers make me very sad though. Snide comments are not conducive to pleasant conversation. God bless.
I did'nt answer the question. YOU did apparently. I asked it.
Forgive me, for bluntness. And truth telling, I know alot of people want sugary words and lies.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 3:59:53 PM
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I gave the stats on land, business's , etc being stolen. Start there.
That land is being passed on to whites.
I went through some of the article and the vast majority of the 'Stolen" land was forclosed on for non-payment, sold for back taxes, or paid for in an immenant domain proceedure. White folks are equally subject immenant domain proceedure and forclosure if they don't pay the land payments or taxes.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 4:28:26 PM
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If a man admires your figure at work or on the beach, does that make you a prostitute? Definitions apparently have changed quite a lot since I was growing up.
We re getting off topic. Jimbo. You can say it's ok for a married man to frequent the Playboy Mansion for over 40 years. What doe he do after he leaves , sexually assault women? It's just that no one listens to Bill in my community.
If you read all my comments on the matter, you'll see I did not say that it's okay. But to call someone something they are obviously not sort of diminishies your point.
I only commented because you made the remark twice, as if it was key to your point.
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