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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/2/2008 5:53:33 PM
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rcjames
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AA is whatever you want it to be, preacher. Isn't that why you started this thread? Not to learn, or debate, but to vent, hopefully fan some flames and eventually, hopefully get someone to take your bait and call you a racist. Still hasn't happened, has it. Disappointed?
Again you err, I stqrted this thread in the hopes that someone could help me understan why that telling a certain segment of the population that they cannot suceed on an even playing field is not dissing, demeaning, and racist or sexi9st against the folks they claim to be trying to help.
How very demokratic liberal of those who support this obvious racism.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/2/2008 7:15:21 PM
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Again you err, I stqrted this thread in the hopes that someone could help me understan why that telling a certain segment of the population that they cannot suceed on an even playing field is not dissing, demeaning, and racist or sexi9st against the folks they claim to be trying to help.
How very demokratic liberal of those who support this obvious racism.
Thanks
RC
Until people can understand the fact that a level playing field didn't magically appear the day after civil rights legislation passed, then it will be impossible to help you understand.
Why don't we do away with certain provisions of the ADA as well. Special treatment for a minority! Tsk! Tsk! And discount prices for senior citizens is discrimination due to a person's age. What makes them so special that they deserve special treatment?
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/2/2008 7:18:19 PM
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Again you err, I stqrted this thread in the hopes that someone could help me understan why that telling a certain segment of the population that they cannot suceed on an even playing field is not dissing, demeaning, and racist or sexi9st against the folks they claim to be trying to help.
How very demokratic liberal of those who support this obvious racism.
Thanks
RC
Until people can understand the fact that a level playing field didn't magically appear the day after civil rights legislation passed, then it will be impossible to help you understand.
Why don't we do away with certain provisions of the ADA as well. Special treatment for a minority! Tsk! Tsk! And discount prices for senior citizens is discrimination due to a person's age. What makes them so special that they deserve special treatment?
Do you think that affirmative action is still necessary for minorities?
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/2/2008 9:52:36 PM
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I remember how things were in the early 70's.
Its much different than it is today. Yes there are still fools out there and there will always be racist fools until Jesus comes back but they have much less real power.
Is life fair? No.
What reparations were given to the Jews and Japanese?
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/3/2008 8:08:28 AM
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...and those reparations were given to that generation?
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/3/2008 8:11:42 AM
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""'The redress program made $20,000 payments to 82,210 Japanese Americans or their heirs, department officials said yesterday. Under a federal court settlement approved last month, the balance of the fund was left over to make $5,000 payments to Latin American Japanese.""'
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/3/2008 8:13:32 AM
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Do you think that affirmative action is still necessary for minorities?
Itr was never necessary for minorites, it was for the people that didnt want to hire minorities. Laws had to be made so it can try to be fair.
But in my town the fair comes in August.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/3/2008 8:16:27 AM
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""'The redress program made $20,000 payments to 82,210 Japanese Americans or their heirs, department officials said yesterday. Under a federal court settlement approved last month, the balance of the fund was left over to make $5,000 payments to Latin American Japanese.""'
Go get 'em girl!!!
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Do you think that affirmative action is still necessary for minorities?
In a word. Yes.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/3/2008 11:37:05 AM
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""'The redress program made $20,000 payments to 82,210 Japanese Americans or their heirs, department officials said yesterday. Under a federal court settlement approved last month, the balance of the fund was left over to make $5,000 payments to Latin American Japanese.""'
Go get 'em girl!!!
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Do you think that affirmative action is still necessary for minorities?
In a word. Yes.
What would need to occur for affirmative action programs for minorities to be unnecessary?
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/3/2008 11:59:37 AM
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What would need to occur for affirmative action programs for minorities to be unnecessary?
Once the races are represented socio-economically according to their representation in the population at large. I am not looking for an exact mirror but one that is closer than what we see today.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/3/2008 12:05:16 PM
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So you believe that business is the salvation for minorities' socio-economic status?
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/3/2008 2:48:01 PM
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mapachito13
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So you believe that business is the salvation for minorities' socio-economic status?
No. Education is. But our government refuses to put a higher priority on education. It's the first thing to get cut when the going gets tough. At least government wants business to succeed because that means more tax revenue but even more important - more campaign dollars!!
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/3/2008 3:21:32 PM
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This is beginning to sound a little like Karl Marx.................
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Once the races are represented socio-economically according to their representation in the population at large. I am not looking for an exact mirror but one that is closer than what we see today.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/3/2008 7:01:38 PM
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This is beginning to sound a little like Karl Marx.................
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Once the races are represented socio-economically according to their representation in the population at large. I am not looking for an exact mirror but one that is closer than what we see today.
 Whatever..... That was an intelligent rebuttal worthy of McCartyism America. Insinuate communism or socialism and don't address the issue.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/4/2008 8:19:43 AM
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What would need to occur for affirmative action programs for minorities to be unnecessary?
Oppression of the majority.
The supporters of AA today do not want fairness. They want special consideation. An easy way out.
Or just plain ol' revenge.
One way to galvanise a portion of society to your thinking is to make an enemy out of another part of society. Minorities are being used by the liberal idology to garner power for those promoting these ideals. Its plain. Its simple.
AA is one way the liberal ideology is controlling minorities. Welfare is another.
Be careful when someone offers you the easy way out. They are only using you. Its the first thing you learn as a con artist.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/4/2008 9:32:39 AM
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bzirk
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So you believe that business is the salvation for minorities' socio-economic status?
No. Education is. But our government refuses to put a higher priority on education. It's the first thing to get cut when the going gets tough. At least government wants business to succeed because that means more tax revenue but even more important - more campaign dollars!!
How should affirmative action be applied in educational institutions?
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/4/2008 10:00:09 AM
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What would need to occur for affirmative action programs for minorities to be unnecessary?
Oppression of the majority.
The supporters of AA today do not want fairness. They want special consideation. An easy way out.
Or just plain ol' revenge.
One way to galvanise a portion of society to your thinking is to make an enemy out of another part of society. Minorities are being used by the liberal idology to garner power for those promoting these ideals. Its plain. Its simple.
AA is one way the liberal ideology is controlling minorities. Welfare is another.
Be careful when someone offers you the easy way out. They are only using you. Its the first thing you learn as a con artist.
Son , it's 2008. Bill Clinton got rid of Welfare in 1995. Him and Senator Lott. The Welfare Reform ACT.
Also never in the history of Welfare, were there ever more minorities than whites. WE don't outpace whites in sheer numbers in ANYTHING..
Not crimes committed, welfare, whatever.
Fairness is why AA started. They want a level playing field. Liberals do not just make up enemies. For along time even until TODAY, there are some parts of society that will ALWAYS consider Black, Mexicans, the enemy.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/4/2008 1:32:22 PM
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For along time even until TODAY, there are some parts of society that will ALWAYS consider Black, Mexicans, the enemy
and whites.....
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/4/2008 6:59:53 PM
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If the shoe fits, wear it! When you begin to dictate social and economic status and quotas, that's communism. Call my remarks McCarthyism if you like. It doesn't change the truth. Besides, I think Sen. Joe McCarthy was on the right track.
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This is beginning to sound a little like Karl Marx.................
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Once the races are represented socio-economically according to their representation in the population at large. I am not looking for an exact mirror but one that is closer than what we see today.
Whatever..... That was an intelligent rebuttal worthy of McCartyism America. Insinuate communism or socialism and don't address the issue.
Sorry but that shoe don't fit. Why aren't people all taxed the same on our "level" playing field? Maybe we should put everyone in the same tax bracket. Why give a financial bonus in the form of tax break for every child? Why do certain businesses or sectors of the economy given special tax breaks which is akin to being partially subsidized by the government? That's socialism!!!
See how shallow that argument is?
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/4/2008 7:16:26 PM
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So you believe that business is the salvation for minorities' socio-economic status?
No. Education is. But our government refuses to put a higher priority on education. It's the first thing to get cut when the going gets tough. At least government wants business to succeed because that means more tax revenue but even more important - more campaign dollars!!
How should affirmative action be applied in educational institutions?
By giving minorities a support mechanism to get them through the two roughest times of their educational lives; high school and college. This just doesn't consist of giving out tuition money in the form of grants but also support organizations that would give tutoring support, after school programs, counseling, etc. Anything that will keep them on track and prepare them for higher education.
Minorities can do the work, they just need a little more support because of their low socio-economic background. Minorities are over represented in the ranks of the poor and this has a historical basis for that. Declaring everything and everyone equal are not magic words that make the past injustices that have created the current uneven situation disappear.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/4/2008 7:28:34 PM
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By giving minorities a support mechanism to get them through the two roughest times of their educational lives; high school and college. This just doesn't consist of giving out tuition money in the form of grants but also support organizations that would give tutoring support, after school programs, counseling, etc. Anything that will keep them on track and prepare them for higher education.
Minorities can do the work, they just need a little more support because of their low socio-economic background. Minorities are over represented in the ranks of the poor and this has a historical basis for that. Declaring everything and everyone equal are not magic words that make the past injustices that have created the current uneven situation disappear.
And the attitude that minorities must be dumb or at least ignorant and need special help is demeaning towards minorities.
Ths
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/4/2008 7:42:28 PM
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By giving minorities a support mechanism to get them through the two roughest times of their educational lives; high school and college. This just doesn't consist of giving out tuition money in the form of grants but also support organizations that would give tutoring support, after school programs, counseling, etc. Anything that will keep them on track and prepare them for higher education.
Minorities can do the work, they just need a little more support because of their low socio-economic background. Minorities are over represented in the ranks of the poor and this has a historical basis for that. Declaring everything and everyone equal are not magic words that make the past injustices that have created the current uneven situation disappear.
And the attitude that minorities must be dumb or at least ignorant and need special help is demeaning towards minorities.
Ths
Where did I say they were dumb? I said that they needed a little extra help to overcome the disadvantages of growing up in a low socio-economic environment.
As an analogy I'll use the people who were devastated by a tornado in a small town. The Feds come in with low interest loans and other assistance to help get people on their feet. Are those people too dumb to get back on their feet by themselves? No. But they need a little extra help to get past a bad situation.
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