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What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 5/20/2008 8:54:09 PM
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Okay - I know this will probably start a landslide discussion, but I really want to get the full view of these positions.
1. Bob George teaches that the New Covenant was ushered in with the death of Christ, and at Jesus' fulfilling of the Old Covenant. There are many references to the issue of the New Covenant in Hebrews, but the quote from Jeremiah addresses the recipients of the New Covenant as the people of Israel and Judah. As a believer in 2008 America, when I tell someone "I am under the New Covenant" - I am wrong aren't I?
2. When Jesus was at the Last Supper, and He spoke of the blood of the New Covenant poured out for you, He was speaking about His blood being poured out on WHOSE behalf, all who read that passage or specifically those who He was speaking to that night, who were Jews of that time.
3. Much discussion about Old/New Covenant also with regards to the sayings of Jesus and their intention. As Jesus was alive pre-cruxifixion, He was living under the Old Covenant. He died and rose again, ushering in a New Covenant.....when? During the milenial reign? Or for everyone who believes?
Okay, thats only the half of it, but a good place to start.
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 5/21/2008 1:45:31 AM
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 5/21/2008 1:54:54 AM
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The New Convenant was sealed at the cross by the blood of Jesus but it existed from ages past because Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world.
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 5/21/2008 12:29:47 PM
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The obedience/sacrifice and Victory of Jesus is the New Covenant in His Blood. The beginning of the New Covenant for the new covenant saints started 50 days later at that Pentecost when the Holy Spirit indwelt the saints.
Hebrews 9:20-"...saying, “This is the blood of the covenant which God commanded you.” 21 And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and all the vessels used in worship. 22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
23 Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has entered, not into a sanctuary made with hands, a copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf."
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 5/21/2008 6:08:15 PM
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 5/21/2008 7:04:18 PM
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ORIGINAL: Holiday
Okay - I know this will probably start a landslide discussion, but I really want to get the full view of these positions.
1. Bob George teaches that the New Covenant was ushered in with the death of Christ, and at Jesus' fulfilling of the Old Covenant. There are many references to the issue of the New Covenant in Hebrews, but the quote from Jeremiah addresses the recipients of the New Covenant as the people of Israel and Judah. As a believer in 2008 America, when I tell someone "I am under the New Covenant" - I am wrong aren't I?
2. When Jesus was at the Last Supper, and He spoke of the blood of the New Covenant poured out for you, He was speaking about His blood being poured out on WHOSE behalf, all who read that passage or specifically those who He was speaking to that night, who were Jews of that time.
3. Much discussion about Old/New Covenant also with regards to the sayings of Jesus and their intention. As Jesus was alive pre-cruxifixion, He was living under the Old Covenant. He died and rose again, ushering in a New Covenant.....when? During the milenial reign? Or for everyone who believes?
Okay, thats only the half of it, but a good place to start.
Paul speaks of having been made a minister of a new covenant...
"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life." (2 Cor. 3:6)
It is the ministry of the Spirit in the New Covenant that gives life. The ministry of the law under the Old Covenant brought death:
"If the ministry (of the law) that condemns men is glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry (of the Holy Spirit) that brings righteousness!" (2 Cor. 3:9 paranthesis mine)
The ministry that brings righteousness is the ministry of the indwelling Holy Spirit, which is what the prophets said would happen in the New Covenant. It's clear that the New Covenant will be recognized by the indwelling Holy Spirit in fulfillment of Jeremiah and Ezekiel's prophecy. To say the New Covenant is not here yet is to say the Holy Spirit has not been poured into our hearts yet. IOW, the presence of the Holy Spirit in the hearts of men is proof that the New Covenant has arrived.
I learned to substitue 'people of God' everywhere 'Israel' is in the OT to glean it's spiritual import. Believing Jew and Gentile alike compose the true people of God today, without any distinction. The definition of 'God's people has changed to include all races and nations of the world:
"...you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. (1 Peter 2:9-10)
"...with your blood you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation. You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth." (Rev. 5:9-10)
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 5/21/2008 7:53:32 PM
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I learned to substitue 'people of God' everywhere 'Israel' is in the OT to glean it's spiritual import. Believing Jew and Gentile alike compose the true people of God today, without any distinction. The definition of 'God's people has changed to include all races and nations of the world:
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Spongeblog: this is a dangerous practice. We cannot subsitute meanings for things in the Bible. To carry your methods into another example, the issue of replacement theology. In other words, the teaching that the Church is Spiritual Israel. Or the 144,000 are the annoited class JW's. The Church is not Israel, Israel under the OT was simply the nation of Israel. The prophets were speaking to the nation of Israel. The 144,000 are the remnant of the 12 tribes, not the annointed JW's. This is something we must not do. Paul's letters were to the churches he wrote to. They were not written to your church or mine. Having said that, we can use the wisdom of Paul in our current churches, in the way things ought and ought not be done. But subsitute meanings is not good theology.
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 5/21/2008 8:22:52 PM
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The new covenant was intended for Israel and all of those grafted in among them who come to Christ through faith of all ages. At this point it is not completely fulfilled and will not be until the Holy Spirit writes the Torah in the hearts of the tribes of Israel and Judah in the latter days: Jer 31:31.
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 5/21/2008 9:57:25 PM
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Ok.
So, when some pastor says, "We (believers in Christ and born-again) are not under the Old Covenant, but under the New" - is that correct?
Also, when someone says "God is not dealing with us the same under the New Covenant" - is that correct?
Also, what was Christ meaning when He said "it is finished" from the cross? The Old Covenant? Or did He say it because He was dying and that is simply what He chose to say?
Is God still angry about sin under the New Covenant or did Jesus deal with all sin at Calvary?
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 5/21/2008 10:28:51 PM
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I learned to substitue 'people of God' everywhere 'Israel' is in the OT to glean it's spiritual import. Believing Jew and Gentile alike compose the true people of God today, without any distinction. The definition of 'God's people has changed to include all races and nations of the world:
Spongeblog: this is a dangerous practice. We cannot subsitute meanings for things in the Bible. To carry your methods into another example, the issue of replacement theology. In other words, the teaching that the Church is Spiritual Israel. Or the 144,000 are the annoited class JW's. The Church is not Israel, Israel under the OT was simply the nation of Israel. The prophets were speaking to the nation of Israel. The 144,000 are the remnant of the 12 tribes, not the annointed JW's. This is something we must not do. Paul's letters were to the churches he wrote to. They were not written to your church or mine. Having said that, we can use the wisdom of Paul in our current churches, in the way things ought and ought not be done. But subsitute meanings is not good theology.
I knew this would get a rise out of someone, and I was hoping I'd get a chance to explain. But understand, I do not subscribe to replacement theology as it is taught in the church today. Natural Jews and the nation of Israel are still as much a part of God's plan for the ages as we Gentiles have become.
Without going into a lot of detail, Jesus has replaced the nation of Israel as the obedient servant of God. What the Jew's were unable to do for themselves, God has done by raising up a true servant of God who would inherit the promised blessing.
Disobedience and slavery to sin have disqualified Jew and Gentile alike from laying hold of the promises that only belong to those who would obey God. But Jew and Gentile both become partakers of the blessing when they join themselves to the one who has secured the promises of God by his obedience, Jesus Christ.
Christ is the only one who has ever been able to lay hold of the promised blessings of God through his obedience. Not you, not I, nor any natural Jew. And God in his wisdom and power has joined us to that one true obedient servant by the Holy Spirit making us a part of the Body that is blessed, making us partakers of the blessing that only Jesus is entitled to.
Both Jew and Gentile must take their place in the one new man, Jesus Christ by faith. One Body, one Spirit. A new Body made up of many parts, with Jesus as the Head, and which inherits the blessing of God as the one true first born obedient Son of God. That's the only replacement theology I subscribe to.
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 5/21/2008 10:55:06 PM
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Ok.
So, when some pastor says, "We (believers in Christ and born-again) are not under the Old Covenant, but under the New" - is that correct?
The Holy Spirit in the believer is proof we are in the New Covenant. It's clear in scripture that the ministry of the Spirit occurrs in the New Covenant. The ministry of the law was the Old Covenant. If we are still under the Old Covenant then we are still dead, having been put to death by the letter of the law. Only in the ministry of the Spirit in the New Covenant are we made alive.
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Also, when someone says "God is not dealing with us the same under the New Covenant" - is that correct?
Yes, without a doubt:
"Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses." (Acts 13:39)
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Also, what was Christ meaning when He said "it is finished" from the cross? The Old Covenant? Or did He say it because He was dying and that is simply what He chose to say?
I believe He meant His work in securing salvation. That's why we should all rest now, since God has rested from His work, following in the pattern of creation when God rested from His work and instructed us to also rest from our labors. Why should we continue in a work that God has finished?
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Is God still angry about sin under the New Covenant or did Jesus deal with all sin at Calvary?
Not angry to the point of damnation for the one who believes, "...but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son" (John 3:18).
Disobedience for the believer brings His corrective discipline, not the wrath of damnation:
"When we (believers) are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be condemned with the (unbelieving) world." (1 Cor. 11:32 parenthesis mine)
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 5/21/2008 11:12:27 PM
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Is God still angry about sin under the New Covenant or did Jesus deal with all sin at Calvary?
Maybe this answers your question a little better:
"...for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile..." (Romans 2:8-9)
The unbeliever still has the wrath and anger of God to deal with.
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 5/22/2008 10:32:18 AM
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1. Bob George teaches that the New Covenant was ushered in with the death of Christ, and at Jesus' fulfilling of the Old Covenant. There are many references to the issue of the New Covenant in Hebrews, but the quote from Jeremiah addresses the recipients of the New Covenant as the people of Israel and Judah.
The Children of Promise are not those of the circumcision of the flesh, but those who are of the circumcision of the heart.
Romans 2:29
No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God.
Romans 9:8
"In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring."
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As a believer in 2008 America, when I tell someone "I am under the New Covenant" - I am wrong aren't I?
If you are in Christ, then you are right to tell others that you are under the New Covenant.
Hebrews 8:6
"But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, and it is founded on better promises."
2 Corinthians 3:6
"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant - not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2 Corinthians 5:17-19
"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! All this is from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them."
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2. When Jesus was at the Last Supper, and He spoke of the blood of the New Covenant poured out for you, He was speaking about His blood being poured out on WHOSE behalf, all who read that passage or specifically those who He was speaking to that night, who were Jews of that time.
Christ's redeeming work is for all. There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ.
1 John 2:2
"He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world."
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3. Much discussion about Old/New Covenant also with regards to the sayings of Jesus and their intention. As Jesus was alive pre-cruxifixion, He was living under the Old Covenant. He died and rose again, ushering in a New Covenant.....when? During the milenial reign? Or for everyone who believes?
Paul explains that with the death of Christ the new will [covenant] went into effect.
Romans 15:15-17
"For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living."
The New Covenant is for all who have accepted Christ. Those who have not accepted Christ are still under the Old Covenant, in that, it has not completed its work in them by showing them their need for a Savior. The Law was put into effect to lead us to Christ.
Galatians 3:24
"So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith."
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 5/26/2008 6:59:12 AM
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It's funny but we discuss this in the "Law thread."
Yes the receipients are Israel and Judah. Non-Jewish as different one's posted earlier are grafted into the vine (Israel and Judah) by adoption. It new in the since that it was "unused" or "unaccustomed to" because Israel as a whole never really walked in it consistently. (Heb. 4) I believe this is one of the most misunderstood yet vitally important covenant. Yah said He will write His Torah on our hearts and minds...people argue as to what that means but it doesn't mean he was doing away with the Torah.
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 5/28/2008 9:18:54 AM
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Yes the receipients are Israel and Judah. Non-Jewish as different one's posted earlier are grafted into the vine (Israel and Judah) by adoption. It new in the since that it was "unused" or "unaccustomed to" because Israel as a whole never really walked in it consistently. (Heb. 4) I believe this is one of the most misunderstood yet vitally important covenant. Yah said He will write His Torah on our hearts and minds...people argue as to what that means but it doesn't mean he was doing away with the Torah.
Right on LBolt, this is exactly what the bible teaches us. So it seems that our salvation is initiated by the works of the Holy Spirit and not of ourselves. I guess that now the statement will be made that the Spirit writes the law into everyone’s heart and many just choose to ignore it. 
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 5/28/2008 9:31:16 AM
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Thank you for the kind sentiments. I wonder what people are going to think when we see the Millenial Temple and see that the sacrificial system reinstituted as Ezekiel prophesied. This will put a knock in the "everything has been done away with because Christ fulfilled it" argument Huh? LOL
I believe Hebrews and Jeremiah do a wonderful of teaching us what, who and why of the New Covenant...if we would only accept it for what it says and not try to squeeze it to fit our theology the Body of Messiah would be a lot further along.
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 5/28/2008 6:56:20 PM
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The ministry that brings righteousness is the ministry of the indwelling Holy Spirit, which is what the prophets said would happen in the New Covenant. It's clear that the New Covenant will be recognized by the indwelling Holy Spirit in fulfillment of Jeremiah and Ezekiel's prophecy. To say the New Covenant is not here yet is to say the Holy Spirit has not been poured into our hearts yet. IOW, the presence of the Holy Spirit in the hearts of men is proof that the New Covenant has arrived.
(Personal note:I want to stay on track on the other thread. So, if you will let's keep the two conversations seperate.)
Now, if the new covenant is the "indwelling Holy Spirit", which you appear to believe happened at the Shavaot(Pentecost) following the ressurection of Yeshua(Jesus), then what is the point of the epistles? Why don't we each just do as the spirit leads?
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 5/28/2008 11:12:09 PM
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...I guess that now the statement will be made that the Spirit writes the law into everyone’s heart and many just choose to ignore it.
Oh...that's my cue.
Paul seems to think it's possible to ignore the indwelling Holy Spirit.
"Quench not the Spirit" (1 Thessalonians 5:19)
"...do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." (Ephesians 4:30)
"...After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?" (Galatians 3:3)
"And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.
Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation—but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live..." (Romans 8:11-13)
We have the choice whether to follow the Holy Spirit, who now resides in us in fulfillment of the prophesied New Covenant. Thus Paul's many admonitions to do just that.
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 5/28/2008 11:41:22 PM
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...what is the point of the epistles? Why don't we each just do as the spirit leads?
We are still in the body of death. And until the day of the redemption of our bodies we will always be at war with the corrupt desires of the body of death.
"Dear friends, I urge you, as aliens and strangers in the world, to abstain from sinful desires, which war against your soul." (1 Peter 2:11)
We learn what it means to walk in the Spirit and are encouraged to do so in the NT.
"...put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator." (Col. 3:10)
"... solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil." (Heb. 5:14)
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 5/31/2008 2:09:45 PM
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New Covenant was brought in with Christ at his Death and resurrection and its for both jew and gentile. the apostle paul makes it clear to all that the new covenant is for all that believe in Christ...romans 1 saids it is the power of God unto salvation first to the jew and then the gentile...then in ephesians 2 paul states that when Christ was crucified and resurrected he made a new man from both jew and gentile by destroying the wall created by the law of moses, therefore who ever believes is transfer from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light(the new man).
That is the wonderful plan of God that he wants to reconcile everything in heaven and earth in Christ so Christ can be the head of everything. John 3:16 says for God so loved the world...that includes everyone! Praise the Lord that it does not matter if your jew or gentile, black or white, by the death and resurrection of Christ a new way was made available to have full access to the throne of grace!
Religion kills but Christ gives life and life eternal.
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 7/7/2008 7:24:39 AM
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I'm surprised that no one in this thread discussed the Old Covenant. How can we understand the New without a firm grasp of the Old? Perhaps because there is so much misunderstanding and myth surrounding the Old? For instance, I often hear Christians refer to the Old Covenant as the Abrahamic Covenant as God made with him in Genesis 17. True enough. But what is the covenant? Many tend to believe it was the promise to make Abraham fruitful and to give him and his seed the Promised Land. This is a myth. The truth is made more evident as you read further into Genesis when Moses and the Hebrews are about to attempt to enter that land for the first time in Exodus 20. Moses has just received the Ten Commandments. Herein lies another myth to be dispelled. Commonly Christians believe that the first commandment is "Thou shalt have no other gods beore me." But it is not. The Jews believe and rightly teach that the first commandment is in the prior sentence, "I am the LORD thy God...."
"But," you say, "that does not sound like a commandment. There needs to be a 'Thou shalt' or a 'Thou shalt not' in there." Not true. That is just an assumption. Another word for the Ten Commandments is the "Law". When God begins to speak to Moses in Exodus 20:1-2, His first words in context are what we call the Ten Commandments, the Law. The very first establishment of Law, as a matter of fact, as a matter of established truth, is God Himself. "I AM," He says, just as He proclaimed to Moses the first time earlier at the burning bush.
God is the same I AM Who established this same law of fact with Abraham. With him, it was a covenant however. Why? Because Abraham was first. God sealed His covenant with Abraham and his seed forever as a covenant that He would be their God. With Moses and Israel He established it as law.
The seed and the land have nothing to do with the covenant and the law. They are simply tokens of God's promise.
Today, Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law and the prophets. He is the New Covenant. He is our God come in the flesh to make atonement for all, that in all who believe, He may indwell as God forever.
To learn more about this and other myths, watch for my new book, Christian Mythology coming soon.
Lawrence J. Caldwell
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 7/7/2008 8:31:59 AM
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rcjames
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The New Covenant began with the Resurrection of Christ.
It is available to whosoever believes in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and Savior.
Thanks
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 7/7/2008 8:49:16 AM
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LBolt
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I tend to believe that the words "old" and "new" throw people for a loop. It's basically the same covenant with the exception being the Torah is placed in our heart and minds and not on a clay tablet. When Israel broke the first brit, Moshe was to provide a tablet so that the same covenant could be given. Which what Messiah did, who sought out the "lost tribes" of the house of Israel in order to graft them back in as promised to Avraham and prophesied in the Torah.
The seed and the land do have something to do with the covenant. It's part of the promise of inheritance. Yes the real inheritance is the LORD Himself but it offered "Seed" (Descendents and the Messiah) and "land."
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 7/7/2008 9:29:09 AM
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bob97
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The Abrahamic Covenant is described in Genesis 12:1–3 and is an unconditional covenant. There are no conditions attached to it (no “if” clauses, suggesting its fulfillment is dependent on man). This covenant is eternal.
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 7/7/2008 10:24:31 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: bob97
The Abrahamic Covenant is described in Genesis 12:1–3 and is an unconditional covenant. There are no conditions attached to it (no “if” clauses, suggesting its fulfillment is dependent on man). This covenant is eternal.
Bob
Yes. It's interesting how people think the Mosaic covenant and the Abrahamic covenant are the same thing.
It's the covenant with Abraham that endures, not the Mosaic covenant.
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