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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 7/7/2008 2:38:10 PM
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Lapidoth
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The Abrahamic Covenant is described in Genesis 12:1–3 and is an unconditional covenant. There are no conditions attached to it (no “if” clauses, suggesting its fulfillment is dependent on man). This covenant is eternal.
Bob
Especially in the light that God actually cut the Covenant with Himself.
Father and Son as it were. Abraham was in a deep coma state as it
transpired. It's unbreakable. God cannot lie and cannot break His WORD.
The one grand thing we can all rely upon.
No matter what man thinks, what God says stands.
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 7/8/2008 8:05:45 AM
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Yes. It's interesting how people think the Mosaic covenant and the Abrahamic covenant are the same thing.
It's the covenant with Abraham that endures, not the Mosaic covenant.
I'd like to believe that the Mosaic covenant is an extension of the same covenant He made with His father, Avraham.
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 7/8/2008 9:43:33 AM
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LBolt...how can they be the same when one is eternal and regarding the Mosaic...didn't God say he would make a new covenant?
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 7/9/2008 2:39:35 AM
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The Abrahamic Covenant is described in Genesis 12:1–3 and is an unconditional covenant. There are no conditions attached to it (no “if” clauses, suggesting its fulfillment is dependent on man). This covenant is eternal.
Bob
Yes. It's interesting how people think the Mosaic covenant and the Abrahamic covenant are the same thing.
It's the covenant with Abraham that endures, not the Mosaic covenant.
Then, SpongeBlog, why are you so adament in rejecting the sign of the "Abrahamic covenant"?
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...how can they be the same when one is eternal and regarding the Mosaic...didn't God say he would make a new covenant?
Jer 31:33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the Lord. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the Lord. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."
The only difference I see here is that it is written on the hearts of the children of Israel. So, if the covenant with Avraham was different than that which Moshe recorded, which laws is He writing on their hearts?
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 7/9/2008 6:30:51 AM
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The Abrahamic Covenant is described in Genesis 12:1–3 and is an unconditional covenant. There are no conditions attached to it (no “if” clauses, suggesting its fulfillment is dependent on man). This covenant is eternal.
Bob
Yes. It's interesting how people think the Mosaic covenant and the Abrahamic covenant are the same thing.
It's the covenant with Abraham that endures, not the Mosaic covenant.
Then, SpongeBlog, why are you so adament in rejecting the sign of the "Abrahamic covenant"?
The sign of being in covenant with God is no longer outward and literal. I've been hammering this truth to prove to everyone that it is not the literal 'to the letter' Torah that gets written on the heart in the New Covenenat. Paul plainly teaches us that outward circumcision is a big nothing in regard to proving one's relationship with God.
How's does anyone know you believe God just because your penis is circumcised? Perhaps millions of people through history have shown outward circumcision to be a meaningless indicator of having believed God. Don't you agree? That's why the NT teaches a different evidence of having believed God. One that is not deceitful.
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...how can they be the same when one is eternal and regarding the Mosaic...didn't God say he would make a new covenant?
Jer 31:33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the Lord. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the Lord. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."
The only difference I see here is that it is written on the hearts of the children of Israel.
Look around you friend. So much is indeed very much unlike the covenant of old. And I'm not talking about what the Catholic Church did.
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RE: What is the New Covenant and Who is it for? - 7/9/2008 10:46:24 AM
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Blue...
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The only difference I see here is that it is written on the hearts of the children of Israel. So, if the covenant with Avraham was different than that which Moshe recorded, which laws is He writing on their hearts?
What is being written on the hearts of man under the new covenant is the Law of Christ spoken of in 1 Co 9:21, which is to love God and one another. Paul says if we do this we are fulfilling the law of God. Paul says also if we do this we fulfill all of he aspects of the Ten Commandments (Ro 13:8-9)
What was written in stone was veiled from Israel, then and today, except for those who have been saved under the new covenant.
And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not steadfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart. (2Co 3:13-15)
The Holy Spirit writes the new covenant into the hearts of the elect, today just as He has done in the past. The Spirit is not writing all 603 laws into the hearts of man…just one.
Bob
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