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RE: Science VS Evolution The Comic Strip - 6/9/2008 11:30:26 PM
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Miril
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Oh agreed - but within reason. "Disproving" young-earth theory helps no one though. Is that really something worth offending people over? The message of Christ is indeed radical, and can be offensive to those who don't understand it, but please don't confuse gospel with exegesis.
Oh noooo absolutely NOT.
My comment to him was to go follow the Word in his artwork. If someone is offended because his artwork conveys the Word of God, then the person receiving the message is not getting the message and obviously doesn't know God and his Word.
This is a good time for him (before he continues creating strips) to decide who his target audience is.
The younger generation.
Speaking of the younger generation... Have you looked around at the younger Christian generation? They are EXCITED and on FIRE for the Lord. They are yelling it and are not ashamed, praise god and good for them. THAT would be my target audience.
These guys already know what's up, they don't get offended, heck most of them have lived on the streets. These kids don't get offended, unless you are naming their mother or something lol and I don't think we are heading that way.
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Jesus didn't go around ticking people off for the heck of it - there was real truth and importance behind his words. He was very gentle with his words when the time was appropriate for that.
True, and love of course is the core message, but these are different times my friend. Have you tried speaking to a gang member? You think he wants a hug and to hear Jesus loves him? lol No way they live a hard life on the streets. You have to portray the message to them in a way that they could relate to it, as long as they above all feel comfortable with you and can relate to the message they will get it. Give them the hug and tell them you love them after they get the message (at the end of every comic strip).
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Absolutely - and since we are all writing for a human audience, human nature should be taken into consideration when writing for our audience. We have to decide - is it reasonable to believe that a number of people might take offense to this? If so, maybe a second look should be taken at it. Don't get me wrong, i'll offend abortionists any day of the week by telling them that they're responsible for mass murder, but i'm going to do it in a way that is logical and respectful so that they will understand my point of view instead of being offended and shut off any chance that I have of getting through to them.
You remind me of Rod Parsley there, God knows how much I need my daily Rod Parsley fix, no nonsense good stuff. 
Hey I will join you with the abortionists, if I would have listened to that lady in the clinic when I was 16 telling me how I had a choice to kill my daughter with a saintly smile, I wouldn't have my 26 year old today. All she wants to do is help people and works in medicine (just graduated University). We were talking today about taking a mission trip to Cuba for the poor, and she is not even walking in the Word as she should be but that's another thread lol.
I just cannot imagine today or any day without her.
*sorry for the swerve off topic*
In other news: Bland cartoons don't get noticed. Never have, never will.
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Absolutely. Thankfully, God gave us a multi-tasking brain capable of taking multiple variables into consideration at once.
Amen to that brother!
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RE: Science VS Evolution The Comic Strip - 6/9/2008 11:46:48 PM
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PureLight
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ORIGINAL: Miril
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ORIGINAL: Locke
Oh agreed - but within reason. "Disproving" young-earth theory helps no one though. Is that really something worth offending people over? The message of Christ is indeed radical, and can be offensive to those who don't understand it, but please don't confuse gospel with exegesis.
Oh noooo absolutely NOT.
My comment to him was to go follow the Word in his artwork. If someone is offended because his artwork conveys the Word of God, then the person receiving the message is not getting the message and obviously doesn't know God and his Word.
This is a good time for him (before he continues creating strips) to decide who his target audience is.
The younger generation.
Speaking of the younger generation... Have you looked around at the younger Christian generation? They are EXCITED and on FIRE for the Lord. They are yelling it and are not ashamed, praise god and good for them. THAT would be my target audience.
These guys already know what's up, they don't get offended, heck most of them have lived on the streets. These kids don't get offended, unless you are naming their mother or something lol and I don't think we are heading that way.
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Jesus didn't go around ticking people off for the heck of it - there was real truth and importance behind his words. He was very gentle with his words when the time was appropriate for that.
True, and love of course is the core message, but these are different times my friend. Have you tried speaking to a gang member? You think he wants a hug and to hear Jesus loves him? lol No way they live a hard life on the streets. You have to portray the message to them in a way that they could relate to it, as long as they above all feel comfortable with you and can relate to the message they will get it. Give them the hug and tell them you love them after they get the message (at the end of every comic strip).
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Absolutely - and since we are all writing for a human audience, human nature should be taken into consideration when writing for our audience. We have to decide - is it reasonable to believe that a number of people might take offense to this? If so, maybe a second look should be taken at it. Don't get me wrong, i'll offend abortionists any day of the week by telling them that they're responsible for mass murder, but i'm going to do it in a way that is logical and respectful so that they will understand my point of view instead of being offended and shut off any chance that I have of getting through to them.
You remind me of Rod Parsley there, God knows how much I need my daily Rod Parsley fix, no nonsense good stuff.
Hey I will join you with the abortionists, if I would have listened to that lady in the clinic when I was 16 telling me how I had a choice to kill my daughter with a saintly smile, I wouldn't have my 26 year old today. All she wants to do is help people and works in medicine (just graduated University). We were talking today about taking a mission trip to Cuba for the poor, and she is not even walking in the Word as she should be but that's another thread lol.
I just cannot imagine today or any day without her.
*sorry for the swerve off topic*
In other news: Bland cartoons don't get noticed. Never have, never will.
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Absolutely. Thankfully, God gave us a multi-tasking brain capable of taking multiple variables into consideration at once.
Amen to that brother!
Yeah, I'm 19 and I really like his style and wish he'd do more XD so yeah, target audience, or at least wanting to be right here.
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RE: Science VS Evolution The Comic Strip - 6/10/2008 12:23:05 AM
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Hello folks. This is my first post. I just felt compelled to reply to this thread since I struggled with this issue for a long time.
I have lived most of my life as an atheist though not in the same category or mentality as Sam Harris or Richard Dawkins.
I actually began believing in Christ before I reconcilled issues such as this one. The only intellecutal evidence I had at the time was the historical record of Jesus Christ and the implausability that He could be anything other that what He claimed to be, and the amazingly accurate prophesies in the book of Daniel which were proven by Scientific evidence to have been written before the events they prophesized. But these evidences actually only served to make me concede the possibility. It was the conviction while reading the Bible that overpowered me that made me believe. In a very real sense my little "mustard seed" of conceding the possibility is all God needed to convict me. I believe that every un-believer needs a "mustard seed" as a catalyst, and without it they will not find conviction that leads to faith in God.
As a believer, I have reviewed many arguments that the atheists present including the one that claims that the earth is 4.5 billion years old and not 6000 years old and therfore the Bible is wrong.
My conclusion after viewing all these arguments is that the Bible is inerrant and people are not. I believe it is a mistake to try to extract scientific "facts" from the Bible based on our confidence in our interpretation of the Bible. The Bible was never meant to be a scientific document. I believe that God intentionally omitted such facts so that His existence could not be proven or disproven by intellectual analysis of such information. I believe that coming to faith in God is more a spiritual journey than it is an intellectual journey.
I certainly believe that God could have created everything in 6 days, but I also believe that it is possible that an unspecified amount of time could have transpired between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:3. I can see that Gen 2:5 could lead one to believe that they are not literal 24 hour days. I also see that many of the things that the atheists claim are facts are not necessarily factual. I don't think that arguing over which interpretation is true will help people come to Christ. In fact, I think that it may well do the opposite for many people, especially if someone new to faith is unconvinced by your arguments and conclude "I must have been a fool for believing this stuff". Just imagine if your interpretation is wrong and you fail to defend your stand on this issue. Isn't it more important and relavent to the non-believer to hear the gospel message and to recognize that the world is filled with wickedness and that they are a willing particpant in it? That they are in desparate need of the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ's works and not their own. If you are confident and feel inspired to debate this issue with others, I pray that you are correct and that your arguments are persuasive.
Peace & God Bless
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RE: Science VS Evolution The Comic Strip - 6/10/2008 12:43:00 AM
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PureLight
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Yeah, I'm 19 and I really like his style and wish he'd do more XD so yeah, target audience,
Confirmation from a 19 year old helps so thanks.
What is XD though?
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or at least wanting to be right here.
You lost me here...?
XD is an emoticon expressing immense laughter. look at it as a face laughing so hard they have to close their eyes.
And me saying I 'at least wanting to be' part of the target audience is saying that I wasn't sure if I was still 'young' enough to be apart of the young people.
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RE: Science VS Evolution The Comic Strip - 6/10/2008 2:27:29 AM
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GriefOrGlory
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Thanks everyone for your responses.
Each of these strips take anywhere from 5 to 10 hours to do so I put a lot of thought into them before drawing them. Why would I work so hard just to offend my brothers and sisters? That is not my intention at all.
Target Audience - This is a really great point that Miril brought up. Reaching my target audience is the heart of why I let this strip be a little more provocative. My target audience are the people who find the church's arguments to be rigid and outdated. Religion is notorious for holding to old beliefs in the face of new times. You could say it is "young" people, but in this respect "young" has nothing to do with age. "Young" is anyone willing to challenge what they think they know. "Young" is anyone who can accept God's word and the person that the word comes through.
Jesus was considered offensive to the people who weren't willing to change. They held to the letter of the law and accused Jesus of breaking the very laws he was fulfilling. Jesus said that he came to bring a sword. He said he came to bring fire and to divide families. Yet unlike all the bible heroes before him he was never involved in any sword fights or arsony. We often say that Jesus's words were spiritual and not literal, yet so many of us still argue that the rest of the bible was literal. If Jesus was not speaking literally then isn't it possible that God was not speaking literally?
God's word divides people. Everyone says they are willing to learn, but when Jesus came and challenged everyone's understanding the people became divided.
I'm really thankful for everyone's critiques. I really felt that God was speaking to me through some of the advice that was offered here. It was challenging but I want to be a person who is willing to change so I threw out much of my work. I look forward to more future challenges and changes.
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RE: Science VS Evolution The Comic Strip - 6/10/2008 11:41:56 AM
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GriefOrGlory:
I really do appreciate your Godliness in this. Even though we may not agree on certain things, it is nice to know we are still brothers and sisters in Christ, and we can still get along! LOL. May God bless you in your work.
In Christ,
ZG
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RE: Science VS Evolution The Comic Strip - 6/10/2008 3:24:53 PM
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Kath
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moved from general faith to science/origins
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RE: Science VS Evolution The Comic Strip - 6/10/2008 3:29:52 PM
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Poor guy.
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RE: Science VS Evolution The Comic Strip - 6/10/2008 3:49:29 PM
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swan42
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GriefOrGlory,
You have a problem here that needs attending to.
http://drawalot.com/smblog/comics/
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RE: Science VS Evolution The Comic Strip - 6/10/2008 4:38:46 PM
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Locke
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Since you're looking to be brief, i'll say:
I wasn't looking for you to list all example, I was looking for you to consider all things in their context. Sounds pretty general to me...
While I agree that God's spoken word exists in perfect form, I do not believe that our interpretation of it is inherently free from corruption, bias, and mis-translation from the original language, therefore on matters of extreme significance, I believe a study of the original text is vital to our interpretations.
Therefore, I would not say that any human's interpretation can be fully perfect, but rather more accurate than another's.
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RE: Science VS Evolution The Comic Strip - 6/10/2008 5:17:23 PM
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ORIGINAL: hjemersonquote:
I like the strip, I belive it could be used to reach the youth !
But with what message, that the Bible is to be trusted as the inspired Word of God, or that it is a book of myths?
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RE: Science VS Evolution The Comic Strip - 6/10/2008 8:37:21 PM
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But with what message, that the Bible is to be trusted as the inspired Word of God, or that it is a book of myths?
Sadly, this is the message that is being portrayed
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RE: Science VS Evolution The Comic Strip - 7/2/2008 9:25:42 AM
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[image]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/2627672369_d9724f2073.jpg[/image]
Here's the latest comic. This one is only one panel. It was actually written by a friend of mine. She did the cutest little stick figure sketch and asked me to redraw it for her. This one too goes against the usual interpretation. If you find it a little confusing then read Acts 1:11 - 12
More at www.GriefOrGlory.com
< Message edited by GriefOrGlory -- 7/2/2008 9:32:42 AM >
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RE: Science VS Evolution The Comic Strip - 7/2/2008 11:38:30 PM
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Locke
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hehe, cute. The angel took me 3 reads to notice though... may be just me, but i'd add slightly more emphasis.
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