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spiritchsr1 -> Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/25/2008 9:01:34 PM)

I just heard recently from my brother that Microsoft is offering a reverse download for those computers that came with Windows Vista to switch to Windows XP. Does anyone know anything about this? Is there any truth to this rumor?

Spiritchsr1



Miss Giggles -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/25/2008 9:08:06 PM)

There is some truth, its only for the higher end versions of Vista (I think there are 6 different versions!)

See the link below.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/34015/140/

however it was only for vista business and vista ultimate.

Consumers probably received the Vista Home edition.

If its true and you qualify, you may have to reload most of your software.



JonCo54 -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/25/2008 9:13:36 PM)

This article is from 09/07 but has the info you need.

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9040318

Here is part of the article.

So, what downgrades does Microsoft allow? Owners of the OEM editions of Vista Business and Vista Ultimate can downgrade to Windows XP Professional, including Tablet PC Edition and x64 Edition. Only the OEM editions qualify for a downgrade, so if you purchased a new PC with either Business or Ultimate preinstalled, you're in like Flynn.

Those who aren't: All users of Vista Home Basic and Vista Home Premium, and anyone who upgraded to Vista using a retail edition of any of the operating system's SKUs. You are, as they say, SOL.



Locke -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/26/2008 11:00:33 AM)

PLUS - MS is phasing out support for Windows XP (clicky), and more versions will follow in their attempt to make Windows Vista the mandatory option for consumers.

If you ask me, i'd just switch to a Mac and be done with MS. I just did this winter, and i've been thrilled with OSX Leopard. No more MS security updates, no more service packs, no more anti-virus programs & RAM-guzzlers. Oh yeah - and no Windows Vista! The #1 reason to get a Mac...

Just my two cents.



Miss Giggles -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/26/2008 11:29:21 AM)

There are a few things that do not work with a mac. I am told that you can use parallels or something similar but for now I'll just stick with my xp laptop.

Besides macbooks cost a lot more than basic xp laptops.



Locke -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/26/2008 11:34:59 AM)

That is true. What sorts of "things" are you referring to?

The nice thing about macbooks is, a less powerful one is worth a more powerful PC. Why?
Windows Vista requires 1 GB of RAM to function. With the average laptop having 2 GB of RAM, that's half of your processing power stripped away before you know what hit you. That's not to mention having to constantly run McAfee or Norton anti-virus all of the time, which will strip another chunk off of your RAM.

My machine boots in the amount of time it takes my friend's brand-new Vista machine to load MS Word. I can't afford to lose that kind of time.



Miss Giggles -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/26/2008 11:37:38 AM)

I know my garmin doesn't have mac support (GPS for running), don't think my cell phone does either. The cell phone isn't a big deal but to spend money on items like a gps you expect it to hook up to your computer.



Locke -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/26/2008 12:03:55 PM)

Ah, for sure. I can't say that i've ever used one of those, so I wouldn't know. There are windows "emulators" available that run windows-only programs on a Mac. That might be an option for you.

According to this release, your GPS should be compatible with Macs now.



Miss Giggles -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/26/2008 12:06:16 PM)

I'm not looking to buy anything new for another year or two so we'll see whats out then. The garmin training center is in the process of being upgraded and it will not support the mac when it rolls out in sept.



Locke -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/26/2008 12:08:08 PM)

What about this:

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able to download the Mac compatible software for free in late January 2007 at http://www.garmin.com/products/trainingcenter.



JonCo54 -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/26/2008 3:10:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Locke

PLUS - MS is phasing out support for Windows XP (clicky), and more versions will follow in their attempt to make Windows Vista the mandatory option for consumers.

If you ask me, i'd just switch to a Mac and be done with MS. I just did this winter, and i've been thrilled with OSX Leopard. No more MS security updates, no more service packs, no more anti-virus programs & RAM-guzzlers. Oh yeah - and no Windows Vista! The #1 reason to get a Mac...

Just my two cents.

That is why I use PCLinuxOS 2007. Linux and Mac are closely related. The difference being Mac is proprietary and expensive while Linux is open source and free. I'm currently involved in the PCLos community and am the Artwork Project team leader in the Klikit Linux community. I,m truly impressed at how Linux has come on the desktop.

Regards,
Jon



Locke -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/26/2008 3:13:59 PM)

I'm not convinced about Linux just yet - it's not being proprietary is bound to cause a world of troubles for compatibility & functionality, is it not?

When I get a piece of software, I need it to work - right away, without writing 10k lines of custom code to make it compatible with my current setup. (That is, if I could code at all...)



JonCo54 -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/26/2008 4:13:54 PM)

Qoute
When I get a piece of software, I need it to work - right away, without writing 10k lines of custom code to make it compatible with my current setup. (That is, if I could code at all...)


Thats the nice thing about the new desktop Linux especially PCLos all the coding and packaging is done for you. All you need to do is D/L the software you need from the repository and the rest is done for you. I've never used the CLI once. Radically Simple is their motto.

Regards,
Jon



Locke -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/26/2008 4:20:33 PM)

What's the CLI?

What works on PCLos? Windows programs? Mac programs? None of the above?



JonCo54 -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/26/2008 4:48:41 PM)

CLI = Command Line Interface.

Here are a few links to software.

http://www.linux.ie/newusers/alternatives.php
http://www.codeweavers.com/products/
http://www.winehq.org/
http://www.virtualbox.org/

Enjoy
Jon



Locke -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/26/2008 4:51:40 PM)

That still doesn't answer my latter and more important questions though..?



JonCo54 -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/26/2008 4:56:21 PM)

What programs in particular did you want to use.



Locke -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/26/2008 5:03:49 PM)

1. Adobe CS3
2. NeoOffice
3. Firefox
4. Thunderbird



JonCo54 -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/26/2008 5:27:27 PM)

NeoOffice - check out Open Office
AdobeCS3 - there is a huge list starting with GIMP
Mozilla products are available and usually come on the distro,s cd



Locke -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/26/2008 5:41:06 PM)

NeoOffice = better than OO IMO
Adobe CS3 - a list of what exactly?
Mozilla - sweet.



figmentPez -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/26/2008 6:32:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Locke

PLUS - MS is phasing out support for Windows XP (clicky), and more versions will follow in their attempt to make Windows Vista the mandatory option for consumers.


That's a link to the end of support for XP Service Pack 1. Most XP users will be running SP2 by this point, if not SP3. Microsoft will continue to support XP for a while yet. They extended support for Win98 multiple times, and XP was a more popular replacement for 98 than Vista is for XP (at least, so far.)

Complaining that support for XP-SP1 is ending is like complaining that Apple no longer supports OS X versions 10.0 - 10.2

quote:

No more MS security updates,


Ah, yes, because security patches are somehow a bad thing, except when they come from Apple? It may not happen as often that Mac updates cause conflicts, but it does happen and there have been cases where people have lost all their data because of it. Microsoft may not be as fast as they should be, but security updates are a good thing, even if they carry a risk of conflicts with software/hardware.

quote:

no more service packs,


Why have a free service pack to a Windows OS, when Apple will gladly charge you $130 for a point release of OSX? Windows and OSX have a very different model for OS updates, and it's very difficult to make a general comparison between the two. Service packs, like security updates, are not a bad thing.

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no more anti-virus programs & RAM-guzzlers.


I'll grant you no anti-virus... for now. If OSX should make headway in the market, the more people who use it, the more it will become a target for hackers. Macs are NOT completely free from viruses, even now, and they never have been. Just ask my mom. Back in the days of System 6 and Mac clones, my mom's Outbound became infected with pretty much every Mac virus known at the time, because she transferred information via floppy disc at a conference. She'd been told that Macs don't get viruses.

There are numerous reasons to choose a Mac. Not enough of them apply to me, but that's mainly because I'm a gamer who wants to be able to assemble his own hardware. However, not every reason touted by Mac fans is actually valid, and it really bugs me when any sort of dis-information is spread.



JonCo54 -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/26/2008 6:34:00 PM)

For my needs writing is usually done in a simple text editor like Kwrite

Adobe is slowly getting on the open source bandwagon. Watch for updates
http://builder-news.com.com/Adobe+dipping+toes+into+desktop+Linux+waters/2100-7344_3-5435397.html
and this is also intertesting.
http://linuxgraphicsusers.com/
and
http://www.linuxmovies.org/

Mozilla has always been open source and yes it is sweet



Locke -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (5/26/2008 8:52:50 PM)

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Complaining that support for XP-SP1 is ending is like complaining that Apple no longer supports OS X versions 10.0 - 10.2


Hardly - this is just step 1 in a looming plan to take XP right out of support before there is a proper successor (ie. before Windows 7 replaces Vista).

quote:

Microsoft may not be as fast as they should be, but security updates are a good thing, even if they carry a risk of conflicts with software/hardware.


Which is better - a multi-hundreds of megabytes update that repairs swiss-cheese code in a vulnerable OS (MS), or an infrequent update that plugs a few holes that MAY be exploited eventually, but has never actually been a problem (Mac). Oh, and increases compatibility and some minor bug fixes. If it ain't broke, you don't need to fix it.

quote:

Back in the days


Absolutely. Back in the day, Apple was a winy kid sister with a whole lot of promise and not a whole lot to show but ideas. However, that day has long since passed. I know lots of people with Macs, none of which have EVER had a virus. I got my first virus on my last PC within TEN minutes of connecting to the internet. The one before that was no different... it took like 20-some minutes.

quote:

Not enough of them apply to me, but that's mainly because I'm a gamer who wants to be able to assemble his own hardware.


That is the only reasonable argument that I have heard against Macs thus far. I'll agree to that one - for now.

quote:

not every reason touted by Mac fans is actually valid, and it really bugs me when any sort of dis-information is spread.


Oh, I agree. I debate them too. [:D] I've owned 4 different desktop PCs, and 2 laptop PCs. I was all pro-PC until this winter when Microsoft finally ticked me off enough to get a Mac. Boy was I pleasantly surprised. If there's a single false statement in any of my posts, let me know what it is so I can retract it. To the best of my knowledge, everything that I've said this far has been bang-on.



JonCo54 -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (6/1/2008 12:23:49 PM)

Here is an interesting read from eWeek. http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/what_went_wrong_with_windows_vista.html



stateofgrace -> RE: Windows Reverse from Vista to XP? (6/1/2008 7:58:28 PM)

If you can afford it, get a Mac and Parallels to run the few things you might need Windows for.

This is my advice having used Macs and PCs both for the last 15 years.

Yet, I will likely get my daughter a Dell laptop for college next year. We have the option to get a Mac, but the Dell will be at lest $400 cheaper, and with the other college expenses, that $400 is significant.



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