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Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner - 5/27/2008 11:44:40 AM
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jfwink
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So when I heard Barack Obama say we're actually going to have to eat less, my internal red lights and sirens instantly fired up.
"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times… and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,356765,00.html
jf to Obama: Keep your hands off my thermostat.
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RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner - 5/27/2008 11:58:17 AM
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So when I heard Barack Obama say we're actually going to have to eat less, my internal red lights and sirens instantly fired up.
"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times… and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,356765,00.html
jf to Obama: Keep your hands off my thermostat.
Obama is an elitist. He's wealthy. He travels by private jet, goes on luxury vacations and has an Ivy League education. I don't mind any of that. What I mind is when he tells people who have lots less than the does, that they must do without. Al Gore is very much like that only worse.
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RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner - 5/27/2008 12:12:03 PM
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saved9201
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Now Hillary can go out and court the "fat hardworking uneducated white people who are bitter about being called bitter for clinging to their guns, religion, SUV's, Air Conditioning, etc.," vote.
-Julius
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RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner - 5/27/2008 12:12:40 PM
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its_GO_time
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"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times… and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said.
Ooooh ooooh! that's exactly what I want in the leader of the free world; Someone who'll lick the boots of the global community, so they will like us! They will really like us! That does it.. I'm in the tank for BO... whooo hooo!
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RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner - 5/27/2008 3:46:48 PM
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SteveSund
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But the bigger picture could be (in my opinion) that the pieces are being put into place for food and fuel rationing and possibly even forced birth control (regarding number of children per person). Obama may be just the one to start such a program in the USA and it'll all be in the name of "global care and concern".
Where have any of the candidates said anything about forced birth control? This kind of program would never fly and would be political suicide. It would be unconstitutional, to start with.
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RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner - 5/27/2008 4:41:33 PM
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DarleneSchreiber
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But the bigger picture could be (in my opinion) that the pieces are being put into place for food and fuel rationing and possibly even forced birth control (regarding number of children per person). Obama may be just the one to start such a program in the USA and it'll all be in the name of "global care and concern".
Where have any of the candidates said anything about forced birth control? This kind of program would never fly and would be political suicide. It would be unconstitutional, to start with.
You have a point. Also, fuel and food rationing would "never fly and would be political suicide." and "...unconstitiutional." Thank the Lord that there is nothing going on in this country that is unconstitutional! At least we have a government that is strictly enforcing our constitution and we can sleep well at night. And thankfully, the USA will never become a Socialist or Communist country.
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RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner - 5/27/2008 5:37:54 PM
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But the bigger picture could be (in my opinion) that the pieces are being put into place for food and fuel rationing and possibly even forced birth control (regarding number of children per person). Obama may be just the one to start such a program in the USA and it'll all be in the name of "global care and concern".
Where have any of the candidates said anything about forced birth control? This kind of program would never fly and would be political suicide. It would be unconstitutional, to start with.
Sucking the brains out of live babies used to be against the law too.
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RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner - 5/27/2008 7:59:00 PM
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Now Hillary can go out and court the "fat hardworking uneducated white people who are bitter about being called bitter for clinging to their guns, religion, SUV's, Air Conditioning, etc.," vote.
-Julius
Ha! LOL! That was hilarious!
Sorry - just had to say that. I acually spit out my mouthful of water, I thought it was so funny...
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner - 5/27/2008 8:34:32 PM
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SteveSund
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ORIGINAL: DarleneSchreiber
But the bigger picture could be (in my opinion) that the pieces are being put into place for food and fuel rationing and possibly even forced birth control (regarding number of children per person). Obama may be just the one to start such a program in the USA and it'll all be in the name of "global care and concern".
Where have any of the candidates said anything about forced birth control? This kind of program would never fly and would be political suicide. It would be unconstitutional, to start with.
You have a point. Also, fuel and food rationing would "never fly and would be political suicide." and "...unconstitiutional."
Fuel and food rationing would be constitutional. It happened during WWII and I am not aware of any challenges that were even close to being successful. A law telling adults if they can or can not have children and how many would most likely be shot down. There is plenty of caselaw that indicates this, comrade.
Again, who has said anything about forced birth control?
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"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times… and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said.
I don't see where this is not true. The question then becomes what, if anything, should be done?
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RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner - 5/27/2008 9:28:03 PM
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DarleneSchreiber
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ORIGINAL: DarleneSchreiber
But the bigger picture could be (in my opinion) that the pieces are being put into place for food and fuel rationing and possibly even forced birth control (regarding number of children per person). Obama may be just the one to start such a program in the USA and it'll all be in the name of "global care and concern".
Where have any of the candidates said anything about forced birth control? This kind of program would never fly and would be political suicide. It would be unconstitutional, to start with.
You have a point. Also, fuel and food rationing would "never fly and would be political suicide." and "...unconstitiutional."
Fuel and food rationing would be constitutional. It happened during WWII and I am not aware of any challenges that were even close to being successful. A law telling adults if they can or can not have children and how many would most likely be shot down. There is plenty of caselaw that indicates this, comrade.
Again, who has said anything about forced birth control?
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"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times… and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said.
I don't see where this is not true. The question then becomes what, if anything, should be done?
No one ever said anything about forced birth control on here. I'm just reminded of that when I see "China"...especially these days when many Chinese families have just lost their only child. After having that one kid they're allowed to have, and many having been sterilized so they'll have no more, it's a haunting tragedy. So there ya go...that's it. Twisted as it may be, that's my logic! 
As for what's constitutional and what's made into law, we know the courts are making law these days...not even congress, really, so we have no say! There was a day when people would say the same thing about sodomite marriage...that it "would most likely be shot down". Yet here we are.
And please don't call me comrade. 
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RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner - 5/28/2008 12:59:04 AM
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Well Bo is right, we need to start with ourselves first. We have become a bloated, fat nation. Spoiled. Other countires are our neighbors. Alot of countries don't have an air conditioner, tv, or anything remotely close for miles and miles.
They don't have the basics like water and food. We fussing over Suv's , Ac's that in itself shows where we are.
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RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner - 5/28/2008 1:16:57 AM
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jfwink
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The point, tracydolls and others, is that freedom loving people don't want government telling them how much they can eat, what type of vehicle they can buy or cannot buy, or what temperature their thermostat must be set on.
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RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner - 5/28/2008 4:26:50 AM
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saved9201
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The point, tracydolls and others, is that freedom loving people don't want government telling them how much they can eat, what type of vehicle they can buy or cannot buy, or what temperature their thermostat must be set on.
Exactly.
And these same people want to blame the government, when:
They bloat up to 400 lbs and end up with medical problems and can't get adequate health care.
Gas prices jump up to $5.00 a gallon because demand is so high because people insist on buying gas-guzzling SUV's.
Energy prices skyrocket or potentially life-threatening power outages become more frequent due to the strain on the power grid from "air conditioner gluttons".
-Julius
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RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner - 5/28/2008 6:19:58 AM
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rlj
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Well Bo is right, we need to start with ourselves first. We have become a bloated, fat nation. Spoiled. Other countires are our neighbors. Alot of countries don't have an air conditioner, tv, or anything remotely close for miles and miles.
Whether anyone likes it or not he's right.
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No one ever said anything about forced birth control on here. I'm just reminded of that when I see "China"...especially these days when many Chinese families have just lost their only child. After having that one kid they're allowed to have, and many having been sterilized so they'll have no more, it's a haunting tragedy. So there ya go...that's it. Twisted as it may be, that's my logic!
I'm getting tired of all this criticism against China. China financed your tax cut check you just got. They're financing the Iraq war. They're making sure that the militia-terrorist groups we're fighting have plenty of ammo so that this war can be prolonged. We have changed our laws to make it so we have the greatest trade deficits of any 2 countries in history. If they want to suck the brains out of babies to make sure we enjoy our freedoms, money and war more power to them.
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RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner - 5/28/2008 7:15:06 AM
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DarleneSchreiber
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I'm getting tired of all this criticism against China. China financed your tax cut check you just got. They're financing the Iraq war. They're making sure that the militia-terrorist groups we're fighting have plenty of ammo so that this war can be prolonged. We have changed our laws to make it so we have the greatest trade deficits of any 2 countries in history. If they want to suck the brains out of babies to make sure we enjoy our freedoms, money and war more power to them.
China didn't finance the check we just got from the government...WE did. I don't understand why people don't know this: the money we all just received is just an advance on our own 2008 rebate. That's why you received a letter via mail that you're supposed to hold on to until you file next year. You'll have to list the amount you received, then that amount will be deducted from your rebate next year. China has done us no favors!
My point is proven...it's thinking like that which will lead us straight into the same sort of situation China (et al) is in now...thinking that the government is responsible for us and must swoop in and save us from ourselves. Which brings me back to the topic of forced rationing of fuel and food and Obama's thoughts on the use of, or overuse, of those things. Yes, we're spoiled and we've grown fat on the freedoms the USA offers. However, there are other ways to correct the situation without sacrificing those freedoms. Unfortunaltely, those ways include personal responsibility and self government and no one will go for that!
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RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner - 5/28/2008 9:37:02 AM
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Unfortunaltely, those ways include personal responsibility and self government and no one will go for that!
Exactly. Most people fall along the lines of the quote by Sallust: "Few men desire liberty. Most only wish for a just master"
I'd prefer my portion to come from the Lord, not some politican, thank you.
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RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner - 5/28/2008 9:44:06 AM
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rlj
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China didn't finance the check we just got from the government...WE did. I don't understand why people don't know this: the money we all just received is just an advance on our own 2008 rebate. That's why you received a letter via mail that you're supposed to hold on to until you file next year. You'll have to list the amount you received, then that amount will be deducted from your rebate next year. China has done us no favors!
Ok. How's this go. I have paid $0 in federal income tax since 2001. The last 4 years I average $3800 on my income tax return. This year it was closer to $5500 because of the rebate. Who is paying for it?
When the government is running nothing but deficits and it keeps re-imbursing money that money it re-imburses has to come from somewhere. Where is that money coming from? I'll give you a hint. They sell bonds to pay for it. Who is the biggest foreign buyer of US bonds?
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1 Thess 5:20 do not treat prophecies with contempt. 21 Test everything. Hold on to the good. (NIV)
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RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner - 5/28/2008 9:52:31 AM
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DarleneSchreiber
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China didn't finance the check we just got from the government...WE did. I don't understand why people don't know this: the money we all just received is just an advance on our own 2008 rebate. That's why you received a letter via mail that you're supposed to hold on to until you file next year. You'll have to list the amount you received, then that amount will be deducted from your rebate next year. China has done us no favors!
Ok. How's this go. I have paid $0 in federal income tax since 2001. The last 4 years I average $3800 on my income tax return. This year it was closer to $5500 because of the rebate. Who is paying for it?
When the government is running nothing but deficits and it keeps re-imbursing money that money it re-imburses has to come from somewhere. Where is that money coming from? I'll give you a hint. They sell bonds to pay for it. Who is the biggest foreign buyer of US bonds?
I don't have an answer for your question. I only know what my son, an accountant, has told me. I guess accountants don't really know anything about taxes.
But congrats on not having to pay income tax! Wish I could say the same! My husband works about 55 hours per week and we already pay about 30% and they would like more.
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RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner - 5/28/2008 10:12:33 AM
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The point, tracydolls and others, is that freedom loving people don't want government telling them how much they can eat, what type of vehicle they can buy or cannot buy, or what temperature their thermostat must be set on.
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Exactly.
And these same people want to blame the government, when:
They bloat up to 400 lbs and end up with medical problems and can't get adequate health care.
Gas prices jump up to $5.00 a gallon because demand is so high because people insist on buying gas-guzzling SUV's.
Energy prices skyrocket or potentially life-threatening power outages become more frequent due to the strain on the power grid from "air conditioner gluttons".
We want our cake and eat it too. In this case eat other countries cakes also. And then tell them.................
We are too fat and bloated! period.
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Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
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RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner - 5/28/2008 11:14:24 AM
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rlj
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I don't have an answer for your question. I only know what my son, an accountant, has told me. I guess accountants don't really know anything about taxes.
But congrats on not having to pay income tax! Wish I could say the same! My husband works about 55 hours per week and we already pay about 30% and they would like more.
They are tax credits and not tax cuts. Under Bill Clinton that Child tax credit couldn't take you under $0. Bush and the Republican Congress changed it so you could. It's not so much a "congratulatory" thing it is because I am the only wage earner with a wife and 3 kids. We choose to raise our own kids.
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1 Thess 5:20 do not treat prophecies with contempt. 21 Test everything. Hold on to the good. (NIV)
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RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner - 5/28/2008 11:33:22 AM
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DarleneSchreiber
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I don't have an answer for your question. I only know what my son, an accountant, has told me. I guess accountants don't really know anything about taxes.
But congrats on not having to pay income tax! Wish I could say the same! My husband works about 55 hours per week and we already pay about 30% and they would like more.
They are tax credits and not tax cuts. Under Bill Clinton that Child tax credit couldn't take you under $0. Bush and the Republican Congress changed it so you could. It's not so much a "congratulatory" thing it is because I am the only wage earner with a wife and 3 kids. We choose to raise our own kids.
Oh my gosh! Now I AM ticked!!! Why didn't someone tell me about this? My husband is the only wage earner and we have five kids we've chosen to raise! How come we still have to pay taxes???
Wait...it's not that Earned Income thing, is it? I've heard of that, too. It's something like, you don't pay taxes but still get a rebate. Hmmmm...sounds a little like cheating to me.
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