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tracydolls -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/3/2008 7:03:23 PM)

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Just start a Hate America thread where you, Tracy and NYC can take turns calling Americans greedy, fat and unloving.



We americans can have our freedom of speech, I'm glad my forefathers fought for that, are'nt you?



Lizahana -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/3/2008 7:20:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ljmac

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ORIGINAL: rlj

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I respond by sticking up for America and Americans and you act like a good liberal and criticize me.


Like a good liberal - Neocon LJ you can't seem to handle any kind of criticism without putting forth a minimal effort of intelligence and calm. No one died and gave you the sceptre of liberalness in which you can take any and all criticism and smite us because of them. Part of what makes America great is the right of people to have and say many different things. Since you hate that right so much and hate liberals more there's a great place for someone like you: Tehran. You'd fit right in.


Just start a Hate America thread where you, Tracy and NYC can take turns calling Americans greedy, fat and unloving.


Well, I'd say they are exercising their right to free speech - if you don't use it, why even have it, ljmac?

And on that note, why are you saying they hate America simply because they are exercising this right? It clearly makes no sense.

Peace and God bless,



ljmac -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/3/2008 11:29:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lizahana

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ORIGINAL: ljmac

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ORIGINAL: rlj

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I respond by sticking up for America and Americans and you act like a good liberal and criticize me.


Like a good liberal - Neocon LJ you can't seem to handle any kind of criticism without putting forth a minimal effort of intelligence and calm. No one died and gave you the sceptre of liberalness in which you can take any and all criticism and smite us because of them. Part of what makes America great is the right of people to have and say many different things. Since you hate that right so much and hate liberals more there's a great place for someone like you: Tehran. You'd fit right in.


Just start a Hate America thread where you, Tracy and NYC can take turns calling Americans greedy, fat and unloving.


Well, I'd say they are exercising their right to free speech - if you don't use it, why even have it, ljmac?

And on that note, why are you saying they hate America simply because they are exercising this right? It clearly makes no sense.

Peace and God bless,


This is a trick liberals love to play, get criticized for saying hateful things about America and then accuse others of attempting to censoring them.

I love it when liberals speak candidly about their comtempt for America and Americans. Too bad more liberal politicians don't speak so openly. But they know they can't. They have to be guarded and speak in codes or they'd be recognized for what they really are.

Codes are necessary if you're a liberal. A conservative can say, "I want to protect the unborn." A liberal needs to say, "We must protect women's health care," because "I want it legal to suck the brains out of babies," isn't exactly appealing.

For the record, one of the liberals in this message stream recently called for me to be censored from this board. He compeletly fabricated the number and subject of threads I've started and used that misinformation as basis for censoring me.



rlj -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/4/2008 7:37:26 AM)

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A conservative can say, "I want to protect the unborn." A liberal needs to say, "We must protect women's health care," because "I want it legal to suck the brains out of babies," isn't exactly appealing.


And the liberal will actually do what he says and the conservative will not get any justices put on the court to overturn it. They will pass no legislation that could appear before that court to overturn it. Will call anyone who isn't against (note I didn't say supports but against) a girl or woman making a choice to have an abortion when they have been raped or forced into the decision against their will or have their life in danger a no good baby killing supporter but then will trumpet as a just and holy inquisitor of evil a president who believes such things.

Funny isn't it how the side that is totally cold on this subject is the side that is winning. The lukewarm, wishy washy, talk the talk but don't walk the walk except in less 1.3% of the cases side gets spit out of the proverbial mouth. It's as it should be when the so called pro-life politicians have had the court packed with no less than 6 justices since Sandra Day O'connor.

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I love it when liberals speak candidly about their comtempt for America and Americans. Too bad more liberal politicians don't speak so openly. But they know they can't. They have to be guarded and speak in codes or they'd be recognized for what they really are.


I remember that no good liberal George Dubya Bush when he said that YOU were lazy and didn't work so we need illegals to do that work. Wow, what a contemptful and hateful liberal statement!



Lizahana -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/4/2008 7:49:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ljmac

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ORIGINAL: Lizahana

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ORIGINAL: ljmac

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ORIGINAL: rlj

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I respond by sticking up for America and Americans and you act like a good liberal and criticize me.


Like a good liberal - Neocon LJ you can't seem to handle any kind of criticism without putting forth a minimal effort of intelligence and calm. No one died and gave you the sceptre of liberalness in which you can take any and all criticism and smite us because of them. Part of what makes America great is the right of people to have and say many different things. Since you hate that right so much and hate liberals more there's a great place for someone like you: Tehran. You'd fit right in.


Just start a Hate America thread where you, Tracy and NYC can take turns calling Americans greedy, fat and unloving.


Well, I'd say they are exercising their right to free speech - if you don't use it, why even have it, ljmac?

And on that note, why are you saying they hate America simply because they are exercising this right? It clearly makes no sense.

Peace and God bless,


This is a trick liberals love to play, get criticized for saying hateful things about America and then accuse others of attempting to censoring them.

I love it when liberals speak candidly about their comtempt for America and Americans. Too bad more liberal politicians don't speak so openly. But they know they can't. They have to be guarded and speak in codes or they'd be recognized for what they really are.

Codes are necessary if you're a liberal. A conservative can say, "I want to protect the unborn." A liberal needs to say, "We must protect women's health care," because "I want it legal to suck the brains out of babies," isn't exactly appealing.

For the record, one of the liberals in this message stream recently called for me to be censored from this board. He compeletly fabricated the number and subject of threads I've started and used that misinformation as basis for censoring me.


ljmac,

Well, I wasn't the one that wanted you censored, so I don't know why you brought that up.

In any event, I don't really understand your point. I was making the point that these people have the right to freedom of speech because they live in this great land. You counter with, again, the abortion issue - which is not even what we are talking about here - we're talking about global warming; and then about freedom of speech - how do these things have anything to do with abortion? I thought that you're not supposed to stray from topic.

BTW, my grandfather lived in a fair amount of countries, and concluded that of all the countries he lived in, in his opinion, America was the best by far. However, he would point out problems in America - and this is precisely the point: we have the freedom to point out America's flaws so that it keeps on being the best country to live in. I mean, I have not lived in any other country, so I wouldn't know if it were the best or not, but from what I read, it seems to be.

How else are we going to know when we're not headed in the right direction, if we're not allowed to express what we feel is wrong in America? You've made it quite obvious that you are anti-abortion, and that abortion is a problem in America. And I'm not saying the following about you, I'm using it as an example (if you respond, please do me the respect of including this in your post) - What if someone drew the conclusion, that because you are unhappy with abortions in America, that means you hate America - how would you feel if someone concluded this? This is how you come across when you say things like, "Just start a Hate America thread where you, Tracy and NYC can take turns calling Americans greedy, fat and unloving."

In any event, I think Obama was saying that we could stand to live more simply - something I agree with, and I need to work on myself. I don't think it's bad to ask a wealthy country to live more simply. And who's to say he's not trying to do so himself?

Peace and God bless,

BTW, I consider myself an independent, as I am not registered to any party and have voted for both parties before. So, whom did you mean when you say, "This is a trick liberals love to play?" Not that I think there is anything bad with being a liberal, but why did you say this?



blessedinnyc -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/4/2008 9:39:20 AM)

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Codes are necessary if you're a liberal. A conservative can say, "I want to protect the unborn." A liberal needs to say, "We must protect women's health care," because "I want it legal to suck the brains out of babies," isn't exactly appealing.

For the record, one of the liberals in this message stream recently called for me to be censored from this board. He compeletly fabricated the number and subject of threads I've started and used that misinformation as basis for censoring me.

That would be me, but I realize that my original suggestion- that anti-abortion threads (or really threads on any topic) be limited to three per poster per week- doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It encourages certain people *cough, cough* to hijack other peoples' threads to make generalizations and spread misinformation about the perception that Democrats want more abortions.

For the record, here are the recent threads that you have started:

Dead Men Walking- http://forums.crosswalk.com/fb.aspx?m=3478033&go=last&key=
A Liberal Superhero - http://forums.crosswalk.com/fb.aspx?m=3424894&go=last&key=
My Uncle was in the Red Army - http://forums.crosswalk.com/fb.aspx?m=3468983&go=last&key=
Sweetie - http://forums.crosswalk.com/fb.aspx?m=3465034&go=last&key=
Artistic Standards for a Liberal - http://forums.crosswalk.com/m_3325778/mpage_1/tm.htm
Democrats vs Pregnant Women - http://forums.crosswalk.com/fb.aspx?m=3304424&go=last&key=

I don't want to be accused of misinformation, so I will let you explain your choice of tone and fixation with all things liberal.

In any case, though, could you explain again what Gore has to do with the environment? I really don't see the connection.



rnershigh -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/4/2008 10:39:24 AM)

blessed,
Please chill out.
If you want to argue with ljmac take it to the PMs.
I get really sick of the bickering.

Liberals and conservatives on the threads here are BOTH to blame for keeping the argument going.
Who started what first doesn't matter, the fact is, you both are keeping it alive by not giving in and having the last word.
Instead of attacking each other, can't we all just discuss the issues??

Anyways, I am not surprised at Obama's remarks.
Gee, I guess Obama will be the first to step up to the plate and go all out green?



tracydolls -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/4/2008 10:40:07 AM)

I Tracy dolls HATE this world. You know why because I can't stand to see us, and I include myself, get fat, have cars we don't need, 12 mansions, shoes that cost 4000 bucks, etc.etc


WHILE babies are starving! I'm not backing off that. WE are too greedy. Not all Americans but a whole lot of them.

To me it's just HYPROCRISY at the highest level to scream ABORTION and then out of the same mouth, don't take care of the babies once they are here.


This country was built on the back's of other people. What is great about slaughtering people and enslaving people to build a country?

Hab 2:6 Shall not all these lift up a parable against him, and a mocking riddle to him, and say, Woe to him who increases what is not his! Until when, then, shall he load the pledges on himself?
Hab 2:7 Shall not those who strike you rise up suddenly, and those who shake you awake, and you become a prize to them?
Hab 2:8 Because you have stripped many nations, all the rest of the people shall strip you; because of men's blood, and the violence of the land, of the city, and of all who dwell in it.
Hab 2:12 Woe to him who builds a town with blood, and establishes a city by iniquity!


I don't want my revenge, I'll take the Lord's.


Too much blood in this land to ever say it is great. Built on the graves of tooo many.

http://www.ijele.com/vol1.1/frohne.html

""""The New York City African Burial Ground was actively used by enslaved and freed Africans and people of African descent from approximately 1712 until 1790. The cemetery covered five to six acres, in which between 10,000 and 20,000 people were buried, with bodies three layers deep in places. The 1991 unearthing of the Burial Ground has altered historical misconceptions, such as the mistaken belief that virtually no slave trade existed in the north. Few realized that during most of the eighteenth-century, New York City held the largest number of enslaved blacks outside of South Carolina.2 In 1790 for instance, slaves were owned by about 40% of the white households around New York City, with blacks comprising nearly one-quarter of the urban population.3

At the close of the eighteenth-century, the Burial Ground became valuable land as Manhattan expanded northward. It became de facto property of the Common Land of the City of New York and in 1790, Chambers Street was laid. By the end of the twentieth century, the forgotten cemetery was situated beneath the heart of the governmental district of downtown New York City among Federal Plaza, the Supreme Court, and City Hall. Suddenly, a sacred space was erased.""


You have millions of innocents crying out to the Lord, not just babies.

America has to pay for ALL of them!

I have to keep praying not to have pure unadultred glee at BO.

Because I know he is bringing the noise(ebonics) but after talking to many socalled Christians and people all over.......

Whew. Now I just pray for MERCY for us all. Especailly Americans.



JimboFletch -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/4/2008 10:46:31 AM)

"For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions." -Jesus



tracydolls -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/4/2008 11:37:19 AM)

Oh, I forgive them and pray for them. Really at this point I feel sorry for people. Especially rich people. Espeically Americans.



ljmac -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/4/2008 12:17:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

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Codes are necessary if you're a liberal. A conservative can say, "I want to protect the unborn." A liberal needs to say, "We must protect women's health care," because "I want it legal to suck the brains out of babies," isn't exactly appealing.

For the record, one of the liberals in this message stream recently called for me to be censored from this board. He compeletly fabricated the number and subject of threads I've started and used that misinformation as basis for censoring me.

That would be me, but I realize that my original suggestion- that anti-abortion threads (or really threads on any topic) be limited to three per poster per week- doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It encourages certain people *cough, cough* to hijack other peoples' threads to make generalizations and spread misinformation about the perception that Democrats want more abortions.

For the record, here are the recent threads that you have started:

Dead Men Walking- http://forums.crosswalk.com/fb.aspx?m=3478033&go=last&key=
A Liberal Superhero - http://forums.crosswalk.com/fb.aspx?m=3424894&go=last&key=
My Uncle was in the Red Army - http://forums.crosswalk.com/fb.aspx?m=3468983&go=last&key=
Sweetie - http://forums.crosswalk.com/fb.aspx?m=3465034&go=last&key=
Artistic Standards for a Liberal - http://forums.crosswalk.com/m_3325778/mpage_1/tm.htm
Democrats vs Pregnant Women - http://forums.crosswalk.com/fb.aspx?m=3304424&go=last&key=

I don't want to be accused of misinformation, so I will let you explain your choice of tone and fixation with all things liberal.

In any case, though, could you explain again what Gore has to do with the environment? I really don't see the connection.


Here is what you had to say. "Can we reach some sort of agreement where ljmac agrees to start only two abortion threads per week in the Current Events forums. I really don't think he's accomplishing much more by posting five per week..."
RE: Democrats vs Pregnant Women - 4/11/2008 4:37:14 PM

That attempt to have me censored was supported by stuff you completely made up. My reply to your post told the story. "As far as I can tell I've started two threads this month. One, this one, was related to abortion, but is primarily about legisation of abortion alternatives. If you want something "honestly," then hold yourself to that standard and don't make outlandish claims that I start "five (abortion threads) per week."

I don't mind debating opinions, but it isn't okay to just make up things and present them as facts.

Al Gore is the leader of the global warming movement.



ljmac -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/4/2008 12:28:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rlj

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A conservative can say, "I want to protect the unborn." A liberal needs to say, "We must protect women's health care," because "I want it legal to suck the brains out of babies," isn't exactly appealing.


And the liberal will actually do what he says and the conservative will not get any justices put on the court to overturn it. They will pass no legislation that could appear before that court to overturn it. Will call anyone who isn't against (note I didn't say supports but against) a girl or woman making a choice to have an abortion when they have been raped or forced into the decision against their will or have their life in danger a no good baby killing supporter but then will trumpet as a just and holy inquisitor of evil a president who believes such things.

Funny isn't it how the side that is totally cold on this subject is the side that is winning. The lukewarm, wishy washy, talk the talk but don't walk the walk except in less 1.3% of the cases side gets spit out of the proverbial mouth. It's as it should be when the so called pro-life politicians have had the court packed with no less than 6 justices since Sandra Day O'connor.

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I love it when liberals speak candidly about their comtempt for America and Americans. Too bad more liberal politicians don't speak so openly. But they know they can't. They have to be guarded and speak in codes or they'd be recognized for what they really are.


I remember that no good liberal George Dubya Bush when he said that YOU were lazy and didn't work so we need illegals to do that work. Wow, what a contemptful and hateful liberal statement!


All the pro-life justices were appointed by Republicans. None of them by Democrats.

Republicans have saved lots of children that would have been killed if Democrats had their way. According to liberal athiest Nat Hentoff, the Henry Hyde amendment alone, which liberals are salivating to kill, has save one million.

You don't know the Supreme Court. Gerald Ford was pro-abortion.

Does killing her child make a mother unraped?



ljmac -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/4/2008 12:47:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tracydolls

I Tracy dolls HATE this world. You know why because I can't stand to see us, and I include myself, get fat, have cars we don't need, 12 mansions, shoes that cost 4000 bucks, etc.etc


WHILE babies are starving! I'm not backing off that. WE are too greedy. Not all Americans but a whole lot of them.

To me it's just HYPROCRISY at the highest level to scream ABORTION and then out of the same mouth, don't take care of the babies once they are here...


Would you like it better if we lived in poverty?

You are misrepresenting pro-lifers. They run the over 2000 Crisis Pregnancy Centers (CPC) throughout the US. They are non-profit. Almost everyone who works there are volunteers. They donate their time. Others donate money, medical care, food, clothing, counseling and shelter. Those are the "greedy" Americans who "don't take care of the babies once they are here," who only care about their cats.

CPCs are generally hated by liberals. Check the web. High ranking members of the Democratic party never give up trying to close them.



rlj -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/4/2008 2:01:54 PM)

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You don't know the Supreme Court. Gerald Ford was pro-abortion.


Just like Laura Bush.



blessedinnyc -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/4/2008 2:12:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ljmac
You don't know the Supreme Court. Gerald Ford was pro-abortion.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/print.php?pid=6320

In any case, what does Gerald Ford have to do with SUVs?



JimboFletch -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/4/2008 2:24:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

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ORIGINAL: ljmac
You don't know the Supreme Court. Gerald Ford was pro-abortion.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/print.php?pid=6320

In any case, what does Gerald Ford have to do with SUVs?

I suppose you could say that his was the last administration where a middle class earner could afford to fuel one.
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blessedinnyc -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/4/2008 2:26:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

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ORIGINAL: ljmac
You don't know the Supreme Court. Gerald Ford was pro-abortion.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/print.php?pid=6320

In any case, what does Gerald Ford have to do with SUVs?

I suppose you could say that his was the last administration where a middle class earner could afford to fuel one.
[sm=sidesmile.gif]

ZING! [:D]



ljmac -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/4/2008 6:01:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

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ORIGINAL: ljmac
You don't know the Supreme Court. Gerald Ford was pro-abortion.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/print.php?pid=6320

In any case, what does Gerald Ford have to do with SUVs?


One can find similar statements from Ted Kennedy and Al Gore, but that didn't make them pro life. Throughout his career he attempted to split hairs, being against Death Roe, but for legalized abortion.

Ford also said, "Betty and I are pro-choice..."
PRO-CHOICE FORD



ljmac -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/4/2008 6:05:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

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ORIGINAL: ljmac
You don't know the Supreme Court. Gerald Ford was pro-abortion.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/print.php?pid=6320

In any case, what does Gerald Ford have to do with SUVs?

I suppose you could say that his was the last administration where a middle class earner could afford to fuel one.
[sm=sidesmile.gif]


There is a portion of the green movement that believes in using sterilization and abortion to reduce energy use. I read recently of a couple who justified their plush vacations by not having children.

We don't have dirty, polluting children, so it's okay if we fly to Tahiti once a year.



kernsfamily -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/4/2008 6:19:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

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ORIGINAL: ljmac
You don't know the Supreme Court. Gerald Ford was pro-abortion.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/print.php?pid=6320

In any case, what does Gerald Ford have to do with SUVs?

I suppose you could say that his was the last administration where a middle class earner could afford to fuel one.
[sm=sidesmile.gif]


Hmmm....so are all of these SUVs i see all over my neighborhood....(packed with kids, camping/boy scout equipment, neighborhood kids, soccer teams, stuff from Lowes/Home Depot, etc..etc..).....they are all just "figments" of my imagination?....since, as you say a "middle class earner" can't afford to fuel one?

One thought on Obama and SUVs.....IF Obama is elected president.....are we going to see his presidential motorcade full of Prius autos......or, will it be the standard Suburbans?.....



blessedinnyc -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/4/2008 7:15:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kernsfamily

Hmmm....so are all of these SUVs i see all over my neighborhood....(packed with kids, camping/boy scout equipment, neighborhood kids, soccer teams, stuff from Lowes/Home Depot, etc..etc..).....they are all just "figments" of my imagination?....since, as you say a "middle class earner" can't afford to fuel one?

One thought on Obama and SUVs.....IF Obama is elected president.....are we going to see his presidential motorcade full of Prius autos......or, will it be the standard Suburbans?.....

It will likely be the most fuel-efficient car that the secret service will allow him to travel in.

Can anyone say hybrid armored Lincoln?



tracydolls -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/4/2008 9:56:56 PM)

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Would you like it better if we lived in poverty?


There is a difference between poverty and riches.

It's easy to say be content with what you have, when you got everything.

To me there is a difference between owning 2 SUV's and 3 small cars and owning one.

A difference between $4000 shoes and $40 shoes.

We have tooo much. That is undeniable. When the poor of your country is richer than whole countries. There's something wrong. It's not even.


1Jn 3:17 But whoever has this world's goods and sees his brother having need, and shuts up his bowels from him, how does the love of God dwell in him?
1Jn 3:18 My children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth.



Lizahana -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/5/2008 7:15:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ljmac

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

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ORIGINAL: ljmac
You don't know the Supreme Court. Gerald Ford was pro-abortion.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/print.php?pid=6320

In any case, what does Gerald Ford have to do with SUVs?

I suppose you could say that his was the last administration where a middle class earner could afford to fuel one.
[sm=sidesmile.gif]


There is a portion of the green movement that believes in using sterilization and abortion to reduce energy use. I read recently of a couple who justified their plush vacations by not having children.

We don't have dirty, polluting children, so it's okay if we fly to Tahiti once a year.


And your point? So you're saying everyone must have children?

And, I'm not accusing, just asking.

And just an fyi, I want to have kids, and am having a hard time doing so (if we can't, we'll adopt, which I think is just as special, in a different way); but I have friends that do not want to have children. They say that they are sometimes ostracized for this by churches, which I find utterly ridiculous.

Peace and God bless,



kernsfamily -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/5/2008 12:32:54 PM)

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We have tooo much. That is undeniable. When the poor of your country is richer than whole countries. There's something wrong. It's not even.


You're right....something is wrong....

it's called the oppressive governments of other nations that keep their citizens as poor as can be....so as to be totally dependent on the government for EVERYTHING.....it's a 'game of control'....

here in the U.S., people can work hard, and have the opportunity to do anything, and be very successful....regardless of what some people thing, "THE MAN" is not keeping us down....

you see a 35 year old guy waiting tables....what do you think? that this country is SO "messed up" that waiting tables is the only way for some people to provide for their families? Perhaps in SOME countries.
our friend, Joe, IS that guy....and, guess what? after YEARS of waiting tables (and being EXTREMELY good at it...and, learning all he could about the business), a little over a year ago, he BOUGHT that restaurant. He is the OWNER now....and, just recently, he bought ANOTHER location of that restaurant (it's a part of a 38 restaurant chain)....from a mere waiter at a restaurant, to OWNING two restaurants that are thriving.....

go into MANY other countries and try to do that same thing....political and "social" forces will prevent those who are poor from doing that.

It's the OTHER countries that are "the problem".....the U.S. economic system is "the answer".....we are the ones who are doing it "right"....



ljmac -> RE: Obama's thoughts on SUVs, AC, and dinner (6/5/2008 12:52:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lizahana

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ORIGINAL: ljmac

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

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ORIGINAL: ljmac
You don't know the Supreme Court. Gerald Ford was pro-abortion.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/print.php?pid=6320

In any case, what does Gerald Ford have to do with SUVs?

I suppose you could say that his was the last administration where a middle class earner could afford to fuel one.
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There is a portion of the green movement that believes in using sterilization and abortion to reduce energy use. I read recently of a couple who justified their plush vacations by not having children.

We don't have dirty, polluting children, so it's okay if we fly to Tahiti once a year.


And your point? So you're saying everyone must have children?

And, I'm not accusing, just asking.

And just an fyi, I want to have kids, and am having a hard time doing so (if we can't, we'll adopt, which I think is just as special, in a different way); but I have friends that do not want to have children. They say that they are sometimes ostracized for this by churches, which I find utterly ridiculous.

Peace and God bless,


There are lots of waiting children if you really are interested in adopting.

My point about the greenies avoiding having children is that there is a link between envrionmentalism and abortion. Environmentalists are pro abortion. Killing someone to save the planet is justifiable as long as it isn't them.



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