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ljmac -> RE: Why no solutions? (5/30/2008 5:42:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tracydolls quote: Jurors and judges punish murderers by executing them, not governors. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299917,00.html quote: WASHINGTON — President Bush, who presided over 152 executions as governor of Texas, wants to halt the state's execution of a Mexican national for the brutal killing of two teenage girls. I wish we could get someone that does not support the War, doesnt support abortions or the death penalty! Governor Bush sentenced NONE of them.

ljmac -> RE: Why no solutions? (5/30/2008 5:45:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 I think the GOP realizes that as long as they continue to paint the democratic party as the party of baby murderers, that they can pretty much run a yellow dog against any democratic candidate and win the pro-life evangelical Christian vote. I believe that will be true in this election even if McCain chooses a pro-choice running mate (several are reportedly on his short list). The GOP knows it can rely on some of the good people here at Crosswalk to help it's cause by labeling those even thinking of voting for a democrat as un-Christian baby slaughters themselves. And those thinking about voting for a solidly pro-life third party candidate are also labeled as un-Christian baby slaughterers because they would help the baby murdering party win. So once again, to many pro-life Christians, they feel they have no choice but to vote republican, or else the blood of billions and billions of precious little innocents will be on their hands. - Julius Democrats have not been painted as pro-abortion. Abortion is in their genes. It's in their blood. More than anything else, it defines who they are. Their calloused, violent behavior toward the preborn is their unifying theme. When the war in Iraq is over, when global warming fades, and when sexual perversions called marriage become the norm, they'll still have abortion. If 50 million dead hasn't restrained them, nothing will.

Lizahana -> RE: Why no solutions? (5/30/2008 7:35:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ljmac quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 I think the GOP realizes that as long as they continue to paint the democratic party as the party of baby murderers, that they can pretty much run a yellow dog against any democratic candidate and win the pro-life evangelical Christian vote. I believe that will be true in this election even if McCain chooses a pro-choice running mate (several are reportedly on his short list). The GOP knows it can rely on some of the good people here at Crosswalk to help it's cause by labeling those even thinking of voting for a democrat as un-Christian baby slaughters themselves. And those thinking about voting for a solidly pro-life third party candidate are also labeled as un-Christian baby slaughterers because they would help the baby murdering party win. So once again, to many pro-life Christians, they feel they have no choice but to vote republican, or else the blood of billions and billions of precious little innocents will be on their hands. - Julius Democrats have not been painted as pro-abortion. Abortion is in their genes. It's in their blood. More than anything else, it defines who they are. Their calloused, violent behavior toward the preborn is their unifying theme. When the war in Iraq is over, when global warming fades, and when sexual perversions called marriage become the norm, they'll still have abortion. If 50 million dead hasn't restrained them, nothing will. Really? All of the democrats have it in their blood? They're all calloused towards the pre-born? You know, I've heard that they have kids as well. Very interesting point of view, I must say... Peace and God bless,

blessedinnyc -> RE: Third Party votes help Obama (5/30/2008 7:59:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: djv1255 He is the constitution party candidate that will take a couple thousand votes away from McCain and help Obama win. What's so wrong with voting for someone whom you believe in? John Adams once said that something to the effect of "Even if you vote for an unpopular candidate, your vote is still counted, and it's better than staying home." Obama's gonna lose some votes to the Green Party- probably more than McCain will lose to the Constitution Party or the Libertarians. (Perhaps Obama will lose more to the Libertarians than McCain will). If McCain can't win with the Constitution Party AND the Green Party, he certainly can't win in a straight contest just between Obama and him. But let's get back to the original question: Why aren't Republicans making it easier to get adoptions and have mothers take their kids to term? Even though Jimmy Carter is a bloodthirsty evil liberal who wants to see all mothers get partial-birth abortions, he at least set up a system that has likely saved the lives of millions of unborn children with the WIC program, by giving mothers more options about how they're going to care for their kids. (It should also be noted that this was done with the main intention of working around the Supreme Court to reduce the number of abortions while still honoring their rulings on abortion.) Why don't we see Republicans come up with a comprehensive plan to not only stop abortion- but also give women alternatives?

blessedinnyc -> RE: Why no solutions? (5/30/2008 8:03:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ljmac Democrats have not been painted as pro-abortion. Abortion is in their genes. It's in their blood. More than anything else, it defines who they are. Their calloused, violent behavior toward the preborn is their unifying theme. When the war in Iraq is over, when global warming fades, and when sexual perversions called marriage become the norm, they'll still have abortion. If 50 million dead hasn't restrained them, nothing will. But I mean the fact is that THE REPUBLICANS ARE CONSPIRING WITH THE ALIEN INVADERS!!! They plan on killing all six trillion people on this planet, which is a whole lot more than the 140 billion that liberals have killed through abortion. Everybody knows they are bloodthirty anti-american murderers. You got your non-sequiturs in, so I needed to balance things out a little.

Lizahana -> RE: Why no solutions? (5/30/2008 8:07:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc quote: ORIGINAL: Lizahana Democrats have not been painted as pro-abortion. Abortion is in their genes. It's in their blood. More than anything else, it defines who they are. Their calloused, violent behavior toward the preborn is their unifying theme. When the war in Iraq is over, when global warming fades, and when sexual perversions called marriage become the norm, they'll still have abortion. If 50 million dead hasn't restrained them, nothing will. But I mean the fact is that The REPUBLICANS ARE CONSPIRING WITH THE ALIEN INVADERS!!! They plan on killing all six trillion people on this planet, which is a whole lot more than the 140 billion that liberals have killed through abortion. Everybody knows they are bloodthirty, anti-american losers. You got your non-sequiturs in, so I needed to balance things out a little. Um....that is not my quote that you are quoting - please do not attach my name to those words. Thank you in advance, Peace and God bless,

blessedinnyc -> RE: Why no solutions? (5/30/2008 8:08:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lizahana quote: ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc quote: ORIGINAL: Lizahana Democrats have not been painted as pro-abortion. Abortion is in their genes. It's in their blood. More than anything else, it defines who they are. Their calloused, violent behavior toward the preborn is their unifying theme. When the war in Iraq is over, when global warming fades, and when sexual perversions called marriage become the norm, they'll still have abortion. If 50 million dead hasn't restrained them, nothing will. But I mean the fact is that The REPUBLICANS ARE CONSPIRING WITH THE ALIEN INVADERS!!! They plan on killing all six trillion people on this planet, which is a whole lot more than the 140 billion that liberals have killed through abortion. Everybody knows they are bloodthirty, anti-american losers. You got your non-sequiturs in, so I needed to balance things out a little. Um....that is not my quote that you are quoting - please do not attach my name to those words. Thank you in advance, Peace and God bless, Gaah, sorry. I tend to copy quotes badly... fixing...

rlj -> RE: Why no solutions? (5/30/2008 8:10:30 PM)
quote: What do dead Iraqis have to do with Obama and abortion? Curious minds want to know. It's my way of saying that abortion isn't the only issue so I picked the Iraq war as one that would push me towards not voting for a guy from the pro-life-party-that-put-7-guys-on-the-SCOTUS-but-that-has-nothing-to-do-with-abortion-because-when-they-had-control-of-all-3-branches-of- government-they-still-refused-to-pass-legislation-that-put-abortion-rights-where-it-belongs Party. So one party is pro abortion and the other party could care less for the most part but they seem to have enough people convinced that they'll do something about it. I'll take Baldwin or the Dems since at least the Dems when they say they are pro abortion are pro abortion. And when they say they'll nominate a pro abortion justice that justice is pro abortion. They don't nominate someone for one of the 9 most powerful positions in the country without having some clue what he stands for aka Comrade Souter. Abortion as a Republican plank is a joke. 12 years controlling Congress, 6 years with the President and Congress and I can't remember when there weren't 7 REpublican appointed justices on the bench. That yellow dog is just as likely to do actually do something substantial about abortion as decades of Republicans in power.

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Why no solutions? (5/30/2008 9:37:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 I think the GOP realizes that as long as they continue to paint the democratic party as the party of baby murderers, No need to paint it, its that color already... quote: The GOP knows it can rely on some of the good people here at Crosswalk to help it's cause... I rest my case. -Julius They are the party of baby murderers and they where it aas a badge of honor... For the record I don't think the GOP is much better, but they as a group don't where the badge like those on the Left... If am I wrong about the Democratic Party and abortion by all means fix me... John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Why no solutions? (5/30/2008 9:42:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rlj quote: What do dead Iraqis have to do with Obama and abortion? Curious minds want to know. It's my way of saying that abortion isn't the only issue so I picked the Iraq war as one that would push me towards not voting for a guy from the pro-life-party-that-put-7-guys-on-the-SCOTUS-but-that-has-nothing-to-do-with-abortion-because-when-they-had-control-of-all-3-branches-of- government-they-still-refused-to-pass-legislation-that-put-abortion-rights-where-it-belongs Party. So one party is pro abortion and the other party could care less for the most part but they seem to have enough people convinced that they'll do something about it. I'll take Baldwin or the Dems since at least the Dems when they say they are pro abortion are pro abortion. And when they say they'll nominate a pro abortion justice that justice is pro abortion. They don't nominate someone for one of the 9 most powerful positions in the country without having some clue what he stands for aka Comrade Souter. Abortion as a Republican plank is a joke. 12 years controlling Congress, 6 years with the President and Congress and I can't remember when there weren't 7 REpublican appointed justices on the bench. That yellow dog is just as likely to do actually do something substantial about abortion as decades of Republicans in power. The people who really have no issue with the mass murder of the unborn have more credibility? That some serious rationalization... John

Lizahana -> RE: Why no solutions? (5/30/2008 9:54:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 I think the GOP realizes that as long as they continue to paint the democratic party as the party of baby murderers, No need to paint it, its that color already... quote: The GOP knows it can rely on some of the good people here at Crosswalk to help it's cause... I rest my case. -Julius They are the party of baby murderers and they where it aas a badge of honor... For the record I don't think the GOP is much better, but they as a group don't where the badge like those on the Left... If am I wrong about the Democratic Party and abortion by all means fix me... John Well, I'm a pro-life liberal - which you will probably laugh at. However, there continues to be a growing number of us. And, I may add, that there does exist pro-choice Republicans, though one would not know this by attending this site. And, I want to further qualify my position in saying that I am not registered to any party. The ONLY issue I agree with Republicans on is that of pro-life - of which I find them disappointing as well. So, this is why I am not registered with any party; but I keep praying for more pro-life Democrats...and there have been more. I keep praying for one that can make it to the presidential level... Anyway, Peace and God bless,

ljmac -> RE: Third Party votes help Obama (5/30/2008 11:47:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc quote: ORIGINAL: djv1255 He is the constitution party candidate that will take a couple thousand votes away from McCain and help Obama win. ... But let's get back to the original question: Why aren't Republicans making it easier to get adoptions and have mothers take their kids to term? Even though Jimmy Carter is a bloodthirsty evil liberal who wants to see all mothers get partial-birth abortions, he at least set up a system that has likely saved the lives of millions of unborn children with the WIC program, by giving mothers more options about how they're going to care for their kids. (It should also be noted that this was done with the main intention of working around the Supreme Court to reduce the number of abortions while still honoring their rulings on abortion.) Why don't we see Republicans come up with a comprehensive plan to not only stop abortion- but also give women alternatives? Who do you think runs the Crisis Pregnancy Centers? Certainly not Democrats. They try to run them out of business.

Lizahana -> RE: Third Party votes help Obama (5/31/2008 12:10:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ljmac quote: ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc quote: ORIGINAL: djv1255 He is the constitution party candidate that will take a couple thousand votes away from McCain and help Obama win. ... But let's get back to the original question: Why aren't Republicans making it easier to get adoptions and have mothers take their kids to term? Even though Jimmy Carter is a bloodthirsty evil liberal who wants to see all mothers get partial-birth abortions, he at least set up a system that has likely saved the lives of millions of unborn children with the WIC program, by giving mothers more options about how they're going to care for their kids. (It should also be noted that this was done with the main intention of working around the Supreme Court to reduce the number of abortions while still honoring their rulings on abortion.) Why don't we see Republicans come up with a comprehensive plan to not only stop abortion- but also give women alternatives? Who do you think runs the Crisis Pregnancy Centers? Certainly not Democrats. They try to run them out of business. That's nonsense. Who started Women, Infants, and Children Nutrition program, ljmac? Do you know how many pregnant women and infants depend on this program? Introduced by Hubert Humphrey, Ted Kennedy later championed this program - and I'll bet you'll diss this somehow, even he is in grave conditions...go ahead... Peace and God bless,

rlj -> RE: Third Party votes help Obama (5/31/2008 8:07:09 AM)
quote: The people who really have no issue with the mass murder of the unborn have more credibility? That some serious rationalization... At the end of the day John talk is cheap. Anyone can say whatever they want.

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Third Party votes help Obama (5/31/2008 10:59:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rlj quote: The people who really have no issue with the mass murder of the unborn have more credibility? That some serious rationalization... At the end of the day John talk is cheap. Anyone can say whatever they want. Yes they can.... Some how one can claim Christ and support mass murder... Talk is very cheap... John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Why no solutions? (5/31/2008 11:03:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lizahana quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 I think the GOP realizes that as long as they continue to paint the democratic party as the party of baby murderers, No need to paint it, its that color already... quote: The GOP knows it can rely on some of the good people here at Crosswalk to help it's cause... I rest my case. -Julius They are the party of baby murderers and they where it aas a badge of honor... For the record I don't think the GOP is much better, but they as a group don't where the badge like those on the Left... If am I wrong about the Democratic Party and abortion by all means fix me... John Well, I'm a pro-life liberal - which you will probably laugh at. However, there continues to be a growing number of us. And, I may add, that there does exist pro-choice Republicans, though one would not know this by attending this site. And, I want to further qualify my position in saying that I am not registered to any party. The ONLY issue I agree with Republicans on is that of pro-life - of which I find them disappointing as well. So, this is why I am not registered with any party; but I keep praying for more pro-life Democrats...and there have been more. I keep praying for one that can make it to the presidential level... Supporting the pro-abortion party is support for abortion... John

Lizahana -> RE: Why no solutions? (6/1/2008 12:21:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: Lizahana quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 I think the GOP realizes that as long as they continue to paint the democratic party as the party of baby murderers, No need to paint it, its that color already... quote: The GOP knows it can rely on some of the good people here at Crosswalk to help it's cause... I rest my case. -Julius They are the party of baby murderers and they where it aas a badge of honor... For the record I don't think the GOP is much better, but they as a group don't where the badge like those on the Left... If am I wrong about the Democratic Party and abortion by all means fix me... John Well, I'm a pro-life liberal - which you will probably laugh at. However, there continues to be a growing number of us. And, I may add, that there does exist pro-choice Republicans, though one would not know this by attending this site. And, I want to further qualify my position in saying that I am not registered to any party. The ONLY issue I agree with Republicans on is that of pro-life - of which I find them disappointing as well. So, this is why I am not registered with any party; but I keep praying for more pro-life Democrats...and there have been more. I keep praying for one that can make it to the presidential level... Supporting the pro-abortion party is support for abortion... John Interesting comment. Yet, what have the Republicans done to overturn RVW? For the last 3 decades they appointed the majority of the SCJ, and still RVW has not been overturned. In fact, the highly lauded in conservative circles, SCJ Kennedy, appointed by Reagan, had the deciding vote to overturn RVW in 1992 in Casey v Planned Parenthood, yet he did not. And then you have the Republicans - a party that champions itself with the pro-life movement, but yet has some members that score below than some Democrats on being pro-life from the nrlc.org rank itself. On top of this, they controlled both the legislative and executive branches of government from 2000-2006, yet did NOTHING via Congress to overturn RVW, when they could have - just look at what Ron Paul is trying to do right now. On top of this, you have Christians here that openly diss Ron Paul - who actually is trying to overturn RVW via the congress, not judicial arm - the latter an obvious disappointment. And, then there is the first lady who says that she does not believe RVW should be overturned - she is still highly lauded, but when a liberal says this they are verbally stoned on these forums. You want to talk about a party being a hypocrit? Look in the Republican party on this issue, and how they are 'untouchable' on the issue of abortion on these forums, when, in fact, they are 'touchable'... And there you have it... Peace and God bless,

ljmac -> RE: Third Party votes help Obama (6/1/2008 6:21:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lizahana quote: ORIGINAL: ljmac quote: ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc quote: ORIGINAL: djv1255 He is the constitution party candidate that will take a couple thousand votes away from McCain and help Obama win. ... But let's get back to the original question: Why aren't Republicans making it easier to get adoptions and have mothers take their kids to term? Even though Jimmy Carter is a bloodthirsty evil liberal who wants to see all mothers get partial-birth abortions, he at least set up a system that has likely saved the lives of millions of unborn children with the WIC program, by giving mothers more options about how they're going to care for their kids. (It should also be noted that this was done with the main intention of working around the Supreme Court to reduce the number of abortions while still honoring their rulings on abortion.) Why don't we see Republicans come up with a comprehensive plan to not only stop abortion- but also give women alternatives? Who do you think runs the Crisis Pregnancy Centers? Certainly not Democrats. They try to run them out of business. That's nonsense. Who started Women, Infants, and Children Nutrition program, ljmac? Do you know how many pregnant women and infants depend on this program? Introduced by Hubert Humphrey, Ted Kennedy later championed this program - and I'll bet you'll diss this somehow, even he is in grave conditions...go ahead... Peace and God bless, I'll never dispute that democrats are generous with other people's money. Lots of times they like to give it to women to murder their unborn. Ed Kennedy is in a lot better shape than Mary Jo Kopechne.

rlj -> RE: Third Party votes help Obama (6/1/2008 7:36:38 AM)
quote: Yes they can.... Some how one can claim Christ and support mass murder... Talk is very cheap... One body talks about overturning abortion, many people claim that party talks about wanting to overturn abortion yet it hasn't happened. When I see Republicans actually start to act like Republicans then I'll take notice.

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Why no solutions? (6/1/2008 1:22:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lizahana quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: Lizahana quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 I think the GOP realizes that as long as they continue to paint the democratic party as the party of baby murderers, No need to paint it, its that color already... quote: The GOP knows it can rely on some of the good people here at Crosswalk to help it's cause... I rest my case. -Julius They are the party of baby murderers and they where it aas a badge of honor... For the record I don't think the GOP is much better, but they as a group don't where the badge like those on the Left... If am I wrong about the Democratic Party and abortion by all means fix me... John Well, I'm a pro-life liberal - which you will probably laugh at. However, there continues to be a growing number of us. And, I may add, that there does exist pro-choice Republicans, though one would not know this by attending this site. And, I want to further qualify my position in saying that I am not registered to any party. The ONLY issue I agree with Republicans on is that of pro-life - of which I find them disappointing as well. So, this is why I am not registered with any party; but I keep praying for more pro-life Democrats...and there have been more. I keep praying for one that can make it to the presidential level... Supporting the pro-abortion party is support for abortion... John Interesting comment. Yet, what have the Republicans done to overturn RVW? For the last 3 decades they appointed the majority of the SCJ, and still RVW has not been overturned. In fact, the highly lauded in conservative circles, SCJ Kennedy, appointed by Reagan, had the deciding vote to overturn RVW in 1992 in Casey v Planned Parenthood, yet he did not. And then you have the Republicans - a party that champions itself with the pro-life movement, but yet has some members that score below than some Democrats on being pro-life from the nrlc.org rank itself. On top of this, they controlled both the legislative and executive branches of government from 2000-2006, yet did NOTHING via Congress to overturn RVW, when they could have - just look at what Ron Paul is trying to do right now. On top of this, you have Christians here that openly diss Ron Paul - who actually is trying to overturn RVW via the congress, not judicial arm - the latter an obvious disappointment. And, then there is the first lady who says that she does not believe RVW should be overturned - she is still highly lauded, but when a liberal says this they are verbally stoned on these forums. You want to talk about a party being a hypocrit? Look in the Republican party on this issue, and how they are 'untouchable' on the issue of abortion on these forums, when, in fact, they are 'touchable'... And there you have it... Have what? The Republican stance(or lack thereof) on abortion doesn't make it "ok" to support the party that without a doubt supports abortion. John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Third Party votes help Obama (6/1/2008 1:27:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rlj quote: Yes they can.... Some how one can claim Christ and support mass murder... Talk is very cheap... One body talks about overturning abortion, many people claim that party talks about wanting to overturn abortion yet it hasn't happened. When I see Republicans actually start to act like Republicans then I'll take notice. And when I see liberals as a group stop champing the <cough> the right of person to murder another I'll take notice... John

tracydolls -> RE: Why no solutions? (6/2/2008 12:42:01 PM)
quote: The bible is quite clear that the punishment for murder is death... Are we following the Law as written in the OT? Because if that's the case, then liars should not be there also. Which would cover just about everybody!

tracydolls -> RE: Why no solutions? (6/2/2008 2:05:29 PM)
quote: Hey, guess what!! Bush ain't runnin'!! Just thought you'd like to know. But looking up his record on the death penalty made me not cast a vote for him in 2000 or 2004. And if he ran now who would vote for him again?

DarleneSchreiber -> RE: Why no solutions? (6/2/2008 4:39:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tracydolls quote: Hey, guess what!! Bush ain't runnin'!! Just thought you'd like to know. But looking up his record on the death penalty made me not cast a vote for him in 2000 or 2004. And if he ran now who would vote for him again? I would.

ljmac -> RE: Why no solutions? (6/2/2008 5:09:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tracydolls quote: Hey, guess what!! Bush ain't runnin'!! Just thought you'd like to know. But looking up his record on the death penalty made me not cast a vote for him in 2000 or 2004. And if he ran now who would vote for him again? Executions are carried out according to the sentences imposed by judges and juries.

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