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RE: Christians and military - 5/29/2008 4:02:43 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Indifference would be not caring what the enemy does or thinks.
So you think it is OK for Christians to kill their enemy?
I think it's best for Christians to love their enemies enough to stand up to them when they are out of God's will.
What happens if/when the Christian are the ones out fo God's will?
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RE: Christians and military - 5/29/2008 4:11:41 PM
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DenimDiva
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Indifference would be not caring what the enemy does or thinks.
So you think it is OK for Christians to kill their enemy?
I think it's best for Christians to love their enemies enough to stand up to them when they are out of God's will.
You don't have to kill anyone to stand up for what is right as christian. Many Christians get killed because they do what is right as Jesus' followers.
Sometimes you do.
How many times have you thanked the military for:
1- standing up for your right to be a Christian?
2- standing up for your right to be a pacifist?
3- standing up for your right to worship in the church of your choice?
4- standing up for your right to post on a message board?
5- standing up for your right to oppose the government publicly?
6- standing up for your right to agree with the government publicly?
7- standing up for your right to educate yourself and your children?
8- standing up for your right to listen to the music of your choice?
9- standing up for your right to pray in public?
Do you want me to name more rights that our men and women in the military fight and risk their lives for everyday?
Personally I think that if pacifists would spend more time being thankful for what our military does, they wouldn't have time to be so critical of them.
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RE: Christians and military - 5/29/2008 4:13:33 PM
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DenimDiva
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Indifference would be not caring what the enemy does or thinks.
So you think it is OK for Christians to kill their enemy?
I think it's best for Christians to love their enemies enough to stand up to them when they are out of God's will.
What happens if/when the Christian are the ones out of God's will?
That does happen. Fortunately there are other Christians who are willing to hold them accountable while on earth.
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RE: Christians and military - 5/29/2008 4:33:55 PM
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follower333
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Everyone,
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Luke 6:27-36 (New International Version)
Love for Enemies
27"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. 30Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31Do to others as you would have them do to you.
32"If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. 33And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that. 34And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. 35But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
Take a look at these verses. They are directly from Jesus' own Word.
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RE: Christians and military - 5/29/2008 4:36:36 PM
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Take a look at these verses. They are directly from Jesus' own Word.
What is your explanation of Jesus making a whip and driving out the money changers?
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RE: Christians and military - 5/29/2008 4:38:35 PM
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Take a look at these verses. They are directly from Jesus' own Word.
What is your explanation of Jesus making a whip and driving out the money changers?
Did Jesus harm anyone? The military kills.
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RE: Christians and military - 5/29/2008 4:42:14 PM
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Take a look at these verses. They are directly from Jesus' own Word.
What is your explanation of Jesus making a whip and driving out the money changers?
Did Jesus harm anyone? The military kills.
His enemies wind up in hell.
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RE: Christians and military - 5/29/2008 4:43:08 PM
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So everyone in the military kills?
Hmmm...interesting. What about those who haven't? What is your opinion of them, or are they all lumped together?
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RE: Christians and military - 5/29/2008 4:43:56 PM
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DenimDiva
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BTW follower333- you didn't answer my question in post #52.
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RE: Christians and military - 5/29/2008 4:48:06 PM
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That does happen. Fortunately there are other Christians who are willing to hold them accountable while on earth.
It is Jesus who judges. We humans are not fit to judge anyone to kill because we are so selfish and ungodly.
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RE: Christians and military - 5/29/2008 4:52:25 PM
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So everyone in the military kills?
The military's whole purpose is to destroy their enemy's country. All military is cooperating to do so. Let's me honest here.
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Hmmm...interesting. What about those who haven't? What is your opinion of them, or are they all lumped together?
the same as the above.
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RE: Christians and military - 5/29/2008 4:53:37 PM
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Riiiight....well, i can see Elvis has left the building.
It's been nice chatting with you follower. I will keep you in my prayers; right next to my friends and family in the military. *huggles*
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RE: Christians and military - 5/29/2008 4:55:54 PM
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That does happen. Fortunately there are other Christians who are willing to hold them accountable while on earth.
It is Jesus who judges. We humans are not fit to judge anyone to kill because we are so selfish and ungodly.
How is this thread different that judging?
Still waiting for you to answer my question in post #52.
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RE: Christians and military - 5/29/2008 4:57:48 PM
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That does happen. Fortunately there are other Christians who are willing to hold them accountable while on earth.
It is Jesus who judges. We humans are not fit to judge anyone to kill because we are so selfish and ungodly.
You are wrong... The ordained(by God)civil government(See Romans 13), the sword of God towards those who do evil can do so if there is just cause...
Luke 23:41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
Death was their due reward for their actions... Pilate was not sinful for his actions regarding the thieves but for putting to death who he knew to be innocent, who he could find no fault with, that being Christ...
John
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RE: Christians and military - 5/29/2008 4:58:35 PM
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Riiiight....well, i can see Elvis has left the building.
It's been nice chatting with you follower. I will keep you in my prayers; right next to my friends and family in the military. *huggles*
Please pray for youself to understand Jesus' deep love for evereyone, so you have consideration for your enemies too, not just for your loves ones and your own country.
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RE: Christians and military - 5/29/2008 5:02:02 PM
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Take a look at these verses. They are directly from Jesus' own Word.
What is your explanation of Jesus making a whip and driving out the money changers?
Did Jesus harm anyone? The military kills.
Dear sir or madam, have you ever been beaten with a scourge - or whipped at all? If not, do you suppose it might hurt a tad?
I served (protected your freedom to condemn me) in the military for over 9 years. Never killed or wounded anyone. I was, howsumever, willing to do so to protect your freedom, life, and willingness to sit at ease in Zion and throw stones.
Although, the God you hold up as harmless, destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah with minimal warning. Same God of the NT. He also commanded destruction of men, women, children, and animals. Same God of the NT.
You come across as understanding and wise, yet you show you don't even know the God you claim to represent.
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RE: Christians and military - 5/29/2008 5:03:04 PM
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You are wrong... The ordained(by God)civil government(See Romans 13), the sword of God towards those who do evil can do so if there is just cause...
Well, I will not advice anyone to be judge especially my family.
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Luke 23:41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
We can not judge anyone to kill, only Jesus can.
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Death was their due reward for their actions... Pilate was not sinful for his actions regarding the thieves but for putting to death who he knew to be innocent, who he could find no fault with, that being Christ...
The same as the above.
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RE: Christians and military - 5/29/2008 5:11:13 PM
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Take a look at these verses. They are directly from Jesus' own Word.
What is your explanation of Jesus making a whip and driving out the money changers?
Did Jesus harm anyone? The military kills.
Dear sir or madam, have you ever been beaten with a scourge - or whipped at all? If not, do you suppose it might hurt a tad?
Jesus hit the tables, not people, period. He only chased them away with the whip.
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I served (protected your freedom to condemn me) in the military for over 9 years. Never killed or wounded anyone. I was, howsumever, willing to do so to protect your freedom, life, and willingness to sit at ease in Zion and throw stones.
No one can force you to be obedient to Jesus. Even if you did not kill anyone in the military, you still swore to the military which is sin.
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Although, the God you hold up as harmless, destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah with minimal warning. Same God of the NT. He also commanded destruction of men, women, children, and animals. Same God of the NT.
As I said before, God is perfect and He can judge anyone and any nation.
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You come across as understanding and wise, yet you show you don't even know the God you claim to represent.
I have been reading the bible and serving Him on a daily basis. I believe God is supporting my position because He has been blessing me and my family's lives with joy and peace.
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RE: Christians and military - 5/29/2008 5:11:15 PM
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The military's whole purpose is to destroy their enemy's country. All military is cooperating to do so. Let's me honest here.
What country are you in?
Maybe that explains why you won't answer the question I asked in post #52?
Maybe you don't live in a country where you have those freedoms?
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RE: Christians and military - 5/29/2008 5:12:22 PM
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The military's whole purpose is to destroy their enemy's country. All military is cooperating to do so. Let's me honest here.
What country are you in?
Maybe that explains why you won't answer the question I asked in post #52?
Maybe you don't live in a country where you have those freedoms?
Please go back, I replied to you.
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RE: Christians and military - 5/29/2008 5:12:49 PM
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Well, I will not advice anyone to be judge especially my family.
That's where you might have ground to stand on, but nonetheless your assertion that man is unable to judge is without biblical merit, in fact it could be argued we are to judge even to that extreme.
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We can not judge anyone to kill, only Jesus can.
You are wrong... The bible says otherwise... In fact the biblical punishment for murder is death by the civil government ordained by God. Of course there must be just cause, but without a doubt it's bibical to do so...
The taking of life isn't the issue, God himself ordered it at times, but of one of justification...
John
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