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Roberta_ -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:14:07 PM)

Which post number? I don't see your answer about thanking our men and women in uniform.



follower333 -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:14:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: follower333

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ORIGINAL: Tinkerbell_

So everyone in the military kills?


The military's whole purpose is to destroy their enemy's country. All military is cooperating to do so. Let's me honest here.

That's ignorant twaddle. Have you even reached the age to shave????


My separated husband is retired military. You cannot fool me with your evasive and insulting comments. I know very well about the military.



stellaluna -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:15:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: follower333
The military's whole purpose is to destroy their enemy's country. All military is cooperating to do so. Let's me honest here.

This actually made me laugh out loud.

Now...explain to me all the armies in the bible and please also explain to me the Lord's command to kill thousands upon thousands of enemies--men, women and children. Thanks.



follower333 -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:17:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DenimDiva

Which post number? I don't see your answer about thanking our men and women in uniform.


Please don't waste your time and my time with this kind of nonsense. It does not take long to scroll back, thanks.



follower333 -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:19:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stellaluna

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ORIGINAL: follower333
The military's whole purpose is to destroy their enemy's country. All military is cooperating to do so. Let's me honest here.

This actually made me laugh out loud.

Now...explain to me all the armies in the bible and please also explain to me the Lord's command to kill thousands upon thousands of enemies--men, women and children. Thanks.


God is perfect and He can destroy anyone and any nation. You are not God and so imperfect. You are not fit to judge anyone or any nation to destroy and kill.



Roberta_ -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:20:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: follower333

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ORIGINAL: DenimDiva

Which post number? I don't see your answer about thanking our men and women in uniform.


Please don't waste your time and my time with this kind of nonsense. It does not take long to scroll back, thanks.


I did scroll back thank you. I am sorry that you find it offensive that I didn't see your answer.

If you're having problems finding what post I'm talking about, I'll be more than happy to help you as long as you don't insult my intelligence. Fair deal? You don't attack me and I won't attack you (not that I would anyway) and I'll be glad to show you some of the ropes for using the forums.



zamdad -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:20:16 PM)

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It is Jesus who judges. We humans are not fit to judge anyone to kill because we are so selfish and ungodly.


Follower333, you came here saying you wanted a civil discussion. Yet, all you have done is judge (condemn) those who disagree with your point of view. I'm convinced you are a troll. You came here to start a fight, to incite anger and hatred. Usually, I enjoy these conversations. BUt, I think I'll stay out of this one because I can see there's no productive dialogue, it's simply a chance to argue. A chance to fire words instead of bullets. Your words are as deadly as any bullet fired by military firepower.



JimboFletch -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:21:47 PM)

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I have been reading the bible and serving Him on a daily basis. I believe God is supporting my position because He has been blessing me and my family's lives with joy and peace.

So have I - for 41 years - and the indwelling Holy Spirit has taught me differently that you.

How many times have you actually read from Genesis to Revelation - not snippets, the whole written Word of God?

Only the worst kind of hypocrite would firmly believe that it s sin to be in the military yet live and freely avail themself of rights protected by the military. That's why I reject any claim that you know the Bible or God. At best, you are a proud novice.

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Jesus hit the tables, not people, period. He only chased them away with the whip.

Okay, expert of the Law, show me in scripture where He didn't touch anyone and, especially, hit tables with the scourge. You have to play loose with the scripture to show that just like the rest of your poor use of the Word.



stellaluna -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:22:14 PM)

And you, my friend, cannot judge whether our modern military is carrying out the will of God or not.


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ORIGINAL: follower333
I believe God is supporting my position because He has been blessing me and my family's lives with joy and peace.

I say the same. And I do not believe as you do. Faulty logic.



follower333 -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:27:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: zamdad

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It is Jesus who judges. We humans are not fit to judge anyone to kill because we are so selfish and ungodly.


Follower333, you came here saying you wanted a civil discussion. Yet, all you have done is judge (condemn) those who disagree with your point of view.


I am here to defend Jesus teachings which most christain communites are ignoring. Ihe reality of chritian communites are not pretty, mainly about practice of militay.

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I'm convinced you are a troll. You came here to start a fight, to incite anger and hatred. Usually, I enjoy these conversations. BUt, I think I'll stay out of this one because I can see there's no productive dialogue, it's simply a chance to argue. A chance to fire words instead of bullets. Your words are as deadly as any bullet fired by military firepower.


If you think am troll, you don't have to participate in this thread. I am here to defend Jesus' command of "love your enemy".

No military supporters will like this thread. what else is new? do you think that Christian communities are so perfect that no one has right to protest against them?

BTW, I don't have hatred. the military is the one who are showing hatred by killing their enemy, not me. I don't support any killing.



Qtman -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:27:55 PM)

Follower333 lets make this a little more personal.

Lets assume I am seated approximately 500 yards from you with my scoped rifle. While casually looking through my scope I notice some thug has you pinned to the ground, has a knife at your throat and is about to remove your head.

See the picture.

Now do you want me to pull the trigger or would you prefer I lay down my weapon walk the five hundred yards to where you are and hug and kiss the assailant over your decapitated body.



SovereignIsHe -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:30:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Qtman

Maybe I misunderstood your posts. To me your post seemed in defense of follower333's post bashing the military. If that is wrong I appoligize.


What post(s) are you refering too?

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I am very well aware of the difference between a civil debate and name calling.


If you can tell the difference between a civil debate and name calling I am puzzled how you lumped me and the other person together...

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I have never met one of those people. I have met a few young men that thought they wanted to kill but when the time came they are the ones that could not pull the trigger. I seriously doubt those people even exist.


I have, and I know my father has who served in Vietnam... As for the crime... Check for yourself... It's quite common these days for gang members to join the service to get military training in order to come home and train fellow gang members...

John



follower333 -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:30:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stellaluna

And you, my friend, cannot judge whether our modern military is carrying out the will of God or not.


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ORIGINAL: follower333
I believe God is supporting my position because He has been blessing me and my family's lives with joy and peace.

I say the same. And I do not believe as you do. Faulty logic.



I have right to speak for my Lord, let Him judge. and meantime, I will keep on speak up for Him.

It is becoming pesonal attacks instead of focusing on the topic.



follower333 -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:34:47 PM)

Sovereign,

Whether you kill anyone or not if you are enlisted, you are carrying the same guilt as all military people who are killing. You can not conveniently say that you are not one of them, my dear.



follower333 -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:40:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Qtman

Follower333 lets make this a little more personal.

Lets assume I am seated approximately 500 yards from you with my scoped rifle. While casually looking through my scope I notice some thug has you pinned to the ground, has a knife at your throat and is about to remove your head.

See the picture.
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In the first place, I do not carry around gun so I will not have in this kind of position, period. I don't have any weapon in my house so we cannot shoot anyone.

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Now do you want me to pull the trigger or would you prefer I lay down my weapon walk the five hundred yards to where you are and hug and kiss the assailant over your decapitated body.


I don't ask anyone to carry around weapon even for self defense, so this question is irrelevant.



SovereignIsHe -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:43:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: follower333

Sovereign,

Whether you kill anyone or not if you are enlisted, you are carrying the same guilt as all military people who are killing. You can not conveniently say that you are not one of them, my dear.


I wouldn't enlist now because I will not swear an oath to the United States because I wouldn't want to put myself into a corner. Had I known what I do know when I was 1-18 years old I wouldn't have joined the service... I am not conveniently saying anything...

The fact remains you do not have a clear understanding of God's word on the subject of taking life... There is just cause...


John



Roberta_ -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:45:13 PM)

follower333- do you live in America?



follower333 -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:49:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe

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ORIGINAL: follower333

Sovereign,

Whether you kill anyone or not if you are enlisted, you are carrying the same guilt as all military people who are killing. You can not conveniently say that you are not one of them, my dear.


I wouldn't enlist now because I will not swear an oath to the United States because I wouldn't want to put myself into a corner. Had I known what I do know when I was 1-18 years old I wouldn't have joined the service... I am not conveniently saying anything...

The fact remains you do not have a clear understanding of God's word on the subject of taking life... There is just cause...


John


I can say the same thing to you, too. It is obvious we are not in agreement about "love your enemy" teaching. It is Jesus who judges who is out of line with God. In the meantime, I will keep on defending my conviction for the Lord.



Kath -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:49:59 PM)

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follower333 -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:51:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DenimDiva

follower333- do you live in America?


Yes, I do, since '73.



JimboFletch -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:51:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: follower333

Sovereign,

Whether you kill anyone or not if you are enlisted, you are carrying the same guilt as all military people who are killing. You can not conveniently say that you are not one of them, my dear.

God's word clearly teaches that each person is judged for their own sin and nobody else.



Roberta_ -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:53:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: follower333

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ORIGINAL: DenimDiva

follower333- do you live in America?


Yes, I do, since '73.


Do you like living here?



follower333 -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:58:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: follower333

Sovereign,

Whether you kill anyone or not if you are enlisted, you are carrying the same guilt as all military people who are killing. You can not conveniently say that you are not one of them, my dear.

God's word clearly teaches that each person is judged for their own sin and nobody else.


I am only defending Jesus' teaching as His servant. His followers have responsibilties to spread His messages. "Love your enemy" have been ignored by most churches. And this is my conviction. I have right to spread my conviction for the Lord, If I don't, I will be in trouble with Him.

Let's get back to the topic instead of personal attacks.

thank you.



follower333 -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 5:59:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DenimDiva

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ORIGINAL: follower333

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ORIGINAL: DenimDiva

follower333- do you live in America?


Yes, I do, since '73.


Do you like living here?


I live for the Lord and I am happy wherever He puts me.



follower333 -> RE: Christians and military (5/29/2008 6:05:51 PM)

I would like to live in Japan; that's where I am from because they have a great harvest there and not many harvesters. I am only going there one month a year for evangelism. That's another my mission for the Lord.

Jesus says that harvest is plentiful but workers are few. I can understand why Jesus says that.



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