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SonInMe1 -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 2:36:28 AM)

I think the issues of the day should be addressed from the pulpit.

I think pastors should promote people voting.

My church hands out flyers at election time outlining each candidates positions on key issues. Thats it. Nothing saying to vote for anyone. Just the issues.



P31W -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 8:20:03 AM)

CatholicCritter,

Thanks for your reply.


For 20 years Obama has CHOSEN to align himself AND HIS FAMILY with this racist extreme political group that calls itself a church. For me this speaks to the Character of the man who wants to be my president.

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I attend a predominantly white church, and last week, Memorial Day weekend, we had a guest pastor who began his sermon with a joke:

Chelsea Clinton asked a marine was he afraid of being in Iraq. The marine replied, "The only thing I'm afraid of is, Osama, Obama and yo' mama!"

He then went on about how brave John McCain was during his captivity.
He peppered his "sermon" with several quotes from McCain. More quotes from McCain than from the bible.

Like I said before, I've also heard the following from the pulpit:

"I know the bible says to pray for the president. I'm praying for him alright, praying that a bullet hits his skull"

Bill Clinton was president at the time.

"If some of you are thinking of voting for a democrat, you'd better get down to the altar and get right with God."

Then there are the famous Christian Coalition "voter guides" that are still around, by the way, as some churches have taken it upon themselves to publish their own. The ones I've seen are nothing but republican propaganda.

So, it goes both ways, but no doubt some of you feel that because the GOP stands for God's ONLY Party, then it's justified when republicanism is preached from the pulpit.

Just like Colonel Oliver North's patriotism wasn't challenged when he said of sitting president Bill Clinton, "He's not MY commander in chief."

- Julius


Julius do you believe it's your responsibility to seperate yourself from a Chruch that is filled with political and racial slurs from the pulpit and the audience stands to cheer?

Do you believe as a Father it's your responsibility to rasie your children in a church that teaches "God's truths" from the pulpit and not political racist garbage?

For me this speaks to the character of the person. I have never and will never align myself with a group who calls themselves a Chruch who do such evil thing and calls it "good".

Is, 5: 20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.



tracydolls -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 8:59:07 AM)

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And the AA church has a history of featuring Democrat candidates and preached it from their pulpits.



got proof?

Not all AA Churches even get involved in the world. [8|] Voting is considered a "worldly" thing.


The line at Trinity got blurred. There is a difference between telling the truth .... Europeans enslaved Africans, that's the truth.

And G-d should kill all whites. That's blurring it.

None of it matters. Bo is gonna be prez.

Especially now that he resigned.



P31W -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 9:24:42 AM)

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Especially now that he resigned.


I don't believe it matters any. It's like a white guy being part of a KKK congregation of 20 years and after the media exposes that fact he "resigns" but does so in a way that "blames" the media.

I don't think anyone is fooled by his resignation or his "reasons" why.



JimboFletch -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 9:33:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: todd_t
This is a matter that deeply disturbs me - no church should act as an extension of any political party. As is, many evangelical churches have so tightly married their political and religious dogma that it's hard to tell where one begins and the other ends.

I can agree with you on that. As a patriotic veteran, I am uneasy with the implied message that God is American or America is His special country of the gentiles or that God favors any political party over another. Our allegiance is first and foremost to the Kingdom of God.



landabee -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 9:41:09 AM)

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I am uneasy with the implied message that God is American or America is His special country of the gentiles or that God favors any political party over another. Our allegiance is first and foremost to the Kingdom of God.


Well stated.



tracydolls -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 9:41:52 AM)

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I can agree with you on that. As a patriotic veteran, I am uneasy with the implied message that God is American or America is His special country of the gentiles or that God favors any political party over another. Our allegiance is first and foremost to the Kingdom of God.


God not only favors America, He is gonna rapture the surburban Christians

WE are to be sojouners and aliens in this world. period. Believe me God sees thru the Christian right just like the Left. All sinners!



landabee -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 9:44:11 AM)

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Believe me God sees thru the Christian right just like the Left. All sinners!


Another good one. Well stated.



mapachito13 -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 10:05:32 AM)

All Pastors, Priests or the heirarchy of any church should refrain from endorsing any candidate. That insults the intelligence of their flock. We shouldn't feel coersed by our religious leaders on whom THEY feel we should vote for. Keep to preaching Jesus and let us worry about how WE apply that knowledge in our world.

Republicans are just as guilty of this as are democrats.



rcjames -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 10:10:15 AM)

I thought it was interesting in Obama's speech about resinging the Church that he said he would not join a Church for "Political Expedeincy", but he evidently does not mind throwing his Church of over 20 uears under the bus for "Political Expedency".

Thsnks
RC



bluestone -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 10:12:01 AM)

Politics has no place in the church house, or the sermon. The sacred desk should be used to preach the gospel of Christ cruicified for the remission of sin.

Hatemongering by anyone has no place in God's house.
Jerimiah Wright & Company, including the preist should be defrocked. Those who claim from the pulpit only Republicans are Christians should meet the same fate.

Don't stand where the message of Christ is preached, and preach at me as to who to vote for.[sm=fireanger.gif][sm=angertalk.gif]



rcjames -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 10:13:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mapachito13

All Pastors, Priests or the heirarchy of any church should refrain from endorsing any candidate. That insults the intelligence of their flock. We shouldn't feel coersed by our religious leaders on whom THEY feel we should vote for. Keep to preaching Jesus and let us worry about how WE apply that knowledge in our world.

Republicans are just as guilty of this as are democrats.


Actually white Churches are very careful not to do this kind of candidate endorsement because the IRS gets all over them. Now the IRS does not bother the black Churches.

I wonder why? Oh yea probably Affirmative Action.

Thasnks
RC



bluestone -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 10:18:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rcjames

Actually white Churches are very careful not to do this kind of candidate endorsement because the IRS gets all over them. Now the IRS does not bother the black Churches.

I wonder why? Oh yea probably Affirmative Action.

Thasnks
RC


I heard it many an election in my old church. (Republican endorsements from the pulpit.)



P31W -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 10:21:22 AM)

Trinity teaches it's congregation that the mission of a Christian is to bring justice to oppressed black people through political activism. Remember part of what they say they agree to do and believe when one joins trinity is " The highest level of achievement for any Black person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the Black Community. "



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All Pastors, Priests or the heirarchy of any church should refrain from endorsing any candidate. That insults the intelligence of their flock. We shouldn't feel coersed by our religious leaders on whom THEY feel we should vote for. Keep to preaching Jesus and let us worry about how WE apply that knowledge in our world.


I don't put myself under religious leader who use God's pulpit as a platform for political garbage. God expect more out of "me".



tracydolls -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 10:29:31 AM)

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Actually white Churches are very careful not to do this kind of candidate endorsement because the IRS gets all over them. Now the IRS does not bother the black Churches.

I wonder why? Oh yea probably Affirmative Action.



What white Churches, cause they were all over for Bush in 2004!

Rove specifically said he was going after the Evangelical vote in 2004, this was after he used the Log Cabin Repubs in 2000



ken1906_4 -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 10:58:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: colliefan

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It's hard now to say stay out of Politics when so many of the Christian right jumped on Bush's wagon. Preached it from the pulpit.


And the AA church has a history of featuring Democrat candidates and preached it from their pulpits.


That's not true. Why you think that AA church's have this love fest with the democratic party? I personally can't stand the democratic party or the republican party and there are many AA that feel the same way. I grew up in a church that taught aspects of this so-called BLT, but democratic politics or any type of politics was hardly preached. The only politician I remember speaking out of that pulpit were some city council members and George H.W. Bush. Even the church I attend now, I mean we are in the middle of a mostly democratic and AA county, but there have been both democrat and republicans(including president Bush and our former Lt. Gov.) who have spoken from the pulpit just to greet the congregation. My pastor has yet to say anything so far during this presidential campaign cycle and I don't think he would because it's just not his thing. It really does not have a place in the pulpit. With all that being said, it's unwise to make a blanket statement about the AA church.



JimboFletch -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 11:22:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tracydolls

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Actually white Churches are very careful not to do this kind of candidate endorsement because the IRS gets all over them. Now the IRS does not bother the black Churches.

I wonder why? Oh yea probably Affirmative Action.



What white Churches, cause they were all over for Bush in 2004!

Rove specifically said he was going after the Evangelical vote in 2004, this was after he used the Log Cabin Repubs in 2000

Can you name three "white" churches where Bush was endorsed by the pastor from the pulpit? I can't and I live in Alabama.

My pastor not only has never endorsed a candidate from the pulpit, he doesn't mention politics in his weekly newsletter to members.

If any pastor is doing his job well, people won't need to be led to the polls with a ring through their noses like cattle. They will have heard the scriptures preached and will have a basis for recognizing good - and bad- leadership according to God's standards.



tracydolls -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 11:30:49 AM)

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Can you name three "white" churches where Bush was endorsed by the pastor from the pulpit? I can't and I live in Alabama.



your kidding right?

Rick Warren, James Dobson, etc. Most of the right.




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The White House sent out an e-mail last month to 1,600 churches in Pennsylvania asking them to register voters and proselytize their congregations to support Bush-Cheney in flagrant violation of federal laws barring churches from engaging in partisan politics
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http://www.yuricareport.com/Campaign2004/ChurchesBeginElectionRoleForBush.html

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The Bush campaign is seeking to rally conservative churches and their members to help turn out sympathetic voters this fall, and West County Assembly of God, a 600-member evangelical congregation in a Republican district of a pivotal swing state, is on the front lines of the effort.



Just look up Rove and what he says he did to get their vote. He's very vocal about it. Loves to brag about it.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/06/20040601-1.html


From his own hand before the election in 2004 , Whitehouse website.



JimboFletch -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 11:41:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tracydolls

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Can you name three "white" churches where Bush was endorsed by the pastor from the pulpit? I can't and I live in Alabama.

your kidding right?

Not in the least.

I never heard that Rick Warren did so from his pulpit (though I can't say that I personally listen to him). Most, if not all, pastors know that endorsing a political candidate from the pulpit very likely will bring down the wrath of the IRS.

James Dobson isn't a pastor, never was.

As far as I know, Rove isn't a pastor either. Is he?



landabee -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 11:41:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rcjames

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ORIGINAL: mapachito13

All Pastors, Priests or the heirarchy of any church should refrain from endorsing any candidate. That insults the intelligence of their flock. We shouldn't feel coersed by our religious leaders on whom THEY feel we should vote for. Keep to preaching Jesus and let us worry about how WE apply that knowledge in our world.

Republicans are just as guilty of this as are democrats.


Actually white Churches are very careful not to do this kind of candidate endorsement because the IRS gets all over them. Now the IRS does not bother the black Churches.

I wonder why? Oh yea probably Affirmative Action.

Thasnks
RC



GMAB.... [8|][8|]

It is just as incorrect to say that as it is to say that ALL African American churches are like Trinity.

Neither statement is correct.



rcjames -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 5:59:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bluestone
I heard it many an election in my old church. (Republican endorsements from the pulpit.)


Repuclican ideology and voting recoreds or endorsing a particulsar candidate.

That is the difference between informing the congreagation and breaking the law.



Thanks
RC



wing2000 -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/2/2008 6:33:29 PM)

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This is a matter that deeply disturbs me - no church should act as an extension of any political party. As is, many evangelical churches have so tightly married their political and religious dogma that it's hard to tell where one begins and the other ends.



Well said.



lightshineon -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/3/2008 2:19:02 AM)

I actually love most black churches, though I have never heard one that does the Wright thing. I live in Oklahoma, and have live in NC, Washington state, Arkasas. I have mentioned before the late DR.EV Hill was my mentor. He was in the political arena, but, was fairly conservative, and as far as I recall never from the pulpit. Only once I did see him one fourth of July blessing America, he had flag and all.
He was a uniter, a good, good man. I do not worship him, but do miss him a great deal, so does my daddy. I wish I could buy some of his sermons, or just hear them again. All black churches are not whacky, but Spirit filled, and I love them. I just think chueches like Wrights have lost the plot long ago, and would not call it a house of God, or a place the Holy Spirit would dwell. It is so offensive to hear rhe Lords name in vain from these men, I consider reprobate.



SonInMe1 -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/3/2008 8:06:28 AM)

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the mission of a Christian is to bring justice to oppressed black people through political activism.


How are black people today oppressed?

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What white Churches, cause they were all over for Bush in 2004!


Possibly conservative churches voted for Bush more...I am not sure all white people are conservative or no black people are. Kind of a prejoritive statement I think saying all white churches vote for republicans.

I don't have a problem with christians having a political voice. I have no problem with issues being discussed in church. If we do not participate in our country's political process that leaves it to secularists and I don't think that is a good idea.



P31W -> RE: Trinity's latest sermon (6/3/2008 8:59:52 AM)

I don't understand how this has turned into a "white vs black" church discussion.

I would think this would have been a "true Christain Chruch" vs a "false Chruch" thread.

I would have thought this would have been a "united thread" with God's people standing in complete agreement with one another. [&:]



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