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Lizahana -> RE: There He Goes Again (6/1/2008 10:45:06 AM)
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ORIGINAL: ljmac
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
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I support most of Obama's stances, except, at least to me, his overtly pro-choice stance
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So, you argree that junkies should be given clean needles. And gang land killlers don't deserve the death penalty. That is fine to remain friends with terrorists who attempt to blow up the Pentagon.
That is OK to give government grants to people who donate to your campaign. That the only reason to be proud of America is that Barry is running for POTUS? That lies about his imaginary uncle being in the army that liberated Auschwitz (it was the Red Army) .
1) To prevent AIDS, I would definitely say yes
2) I'm against the death penalty, colliefan - I believe God is the only one that knows when you are to die, PERIOD
3) I don't know where you get that he wants to remain friends with THE same people that blew up the pentagon. Links, please
4) Oh, and it's alright to blow a country up, and give the contracts to your good buddies I suppose? You know, like our current leadership did...
5) I've heard Obama say he's proud of many things in America...so...what is your point? Are you not happy that people have more choices to pick from for their presidential candidate
6) That statement really angers me, and it has angered WWII vets - Obama just got the name of the concentration camp wrong, colliefan:
"WWII Vet Fires at Conservative Bloggers Re: Obama's Great Uncle Charlie
May 29, 2008 10:04 PM
His name, according to the Obama campaign, was Charles T. Payne. He was born in February 1925, and he served in the 89th Infantry Division of the Army during World War II.
Checking out Obama's story -- you may recall that on Memorial Day, Obama mistakenly said his great uncle was one of the soldiers who helped liberate the concentration camp Auschwitz, when in fact the 89th helped liberate Buchenwald -- our friends at Politifact looked into the matter.
"Although we were not able to reach Payne directly, Payne's son, Richard Payne, said his father 'definitely served in the 89th Infantry Division' and confirmed that Obama's account was substantially accurate, except for identifying the wrong concentration camp. Richard Payne declined to say anything further."
Politifact spoke with researchers at the National Personnel Records Center, who reported that "Army personnel records for Payne would have been destroyed in a 1973 fire that consumed many such archives, but they dug up a 'Morning Report' dated April 11, 1945, showing Pfc. Charles T. Payne was assigned to the 355th Regiment Infantry, Company K. The Records Center provided a copy of the report."Then there's the unofficial website dedicated to the 89th Infantry Division. Politifact spoke with Mark Kitchell, son of 89th veteran Raymond E. Kitchell, who has a list of servicemen -- a list that includes Pfc. C.T. Payne, K Company, 355th Infantry Regiment, 89th Infantry Division -- from the official Division History book.
Politifact concluded that while Obama erred in the name of the concentration camp, the story otherwise checked out.
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An interesting side story here -- the Kitchells are not particularly happy with the conservative bloggers who have set out to prove Obama was "lying" about his great uncle."
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/wwii-vet-fires.html
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Hopefully the gospel is being preached at Obama's church
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The day the gospel is preached at Barry's church will be the day McDonalds is in the same market as Ruth Chris' Steak House.
Nice - someone is expressing that they hope the gospel is being preached and you answer with this. Wow...what a Christian-like thing to say...unreal.
Peace and God bless,
Nothing about his account was true.
His mother was an only child.
Obama had no uncles.
Auschwitz is in Poland.
None of his remote relatives were in Poland.
The US did not liberate Auschwitz. Russia did.
What did my link say, ljmac? It says Obama simply got the name of the concentration camp wrong - and that was the ONLY piece of information that was wrong - the rest of the story checked out.
And here is what the Kitchell's have to say
"the Kitchells are not particularly happy with the conservative bloggers who have set out to prove Obama was "lying" about his great uncle.""
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/wwii-vet-fires.html
And from the WWII 89th Division's website itself:
"Introduction
Concerning the service of Mr. Charles Payne: C.T. Payne was a soldier in the 89th Infantry Division. He served in the 355th Infantry Regiment, Company K. The 355th Infantry Regiment was the unit to liberate Ohrdruf. Mr. Payne was there.
For those who seek to minimize the horrors of Ohrdruf since it was a 'work' camp and not a 'death' camp, we have but one word: shame. Ironically, this argument has been made to us time and time again by various Holocaust-deniers and other pro-Nazi groups. We will let the testimony of survivors and veterans speak for themselves.
It has been recorded that in Ordruf itself the last days were a slaughterhouse. We were shot at, beaten and molested. At every turn went on the destruction of the remaining inmates. Indiscriminant criminal behavior (like the murderers of Oklahoma City some days ago). Some days before the first Americans appeared at the gates of Ordruf, the last retreating Nazi guards managed to execute with hand pistols, literally emptying their last bullets on whomever they encountered leaving them bleeding to death as testified by an American of the 37th Tank Battalion Medical section, 10 a.m. April 4, 1945.
Today I'm privileged thanks to G-d and you gallant fighting men. I'm here to reminisce, and reflect, and experience instant recollections of those moments. Those horrible scenes and that special instance when an Allied soldier outstretched his arm to help me up became my re-entrance, my being re-invited into humanity and restoring my inalienable right to a dignified existence as a human being and as a Jew. Something, which was denied me from September 1939 to the day of liberation in 1945. I had no right to live and survived, out of 80 members of my family, the infernal ordeal of Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Ordruf, and its satellite camp Crawinkle and finally Theresinstadt Ghetto-Concentration Camp.
Rabbi Murray Kohn"
http://www.89infdivww2.org/
I suggest that before you spread slander that you read from your conservative think tanks, that you at least be respectful and check the stories out yourself. Is this too much to ask for when you are speaking about WWII vets?
Peace and God bless,
PS From Obama's spokesperson:
"Obama's campaign said yesterday that he had erred in naming the camp but not in describing the role of his great-uncle, who partook in the liberation of Buchenwald.
"Senator Obama's family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II -- especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald. Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically," Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement. It also clarified that the great-uncle served in the 89th Infantry Division that "liberated Ohrdruf, a subcamp of Buchenwald." .."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/27/AR2008052702983.html?nav=hcmodule
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