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Lizahana -> RE: There He Goes Again (6/4/2008 7:23:09 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
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I'd give the Obama some slack with the uncle title if he wasn't so casual with the other facts of the story. Auschwitz is an important place of much historical significance. Obama linked his family to this infamous place and it wasn't true.
You didn't give Obama any slack, ljmac. You said ,"Nothing about his account was true." This statement of yours, of course, is wrong. Even the veterans have backed Obama's account, saying the only thing he got wrong was the name of the concentration camp - and some are not too happy with the conservative bloggers that are trying to make him out too be the bad one; making him out to be a liar, when he is not.
Peace and God bless,
I never said I gave him some slack. Please read carefully and don't put words in my mouth.
Let me repeat some undeniable facts.
- Obama has no uncles, at least not from his white side of the family, which he was clearly referring to.
- Obama had no relatives that went to Poland during WWII.
- Obama had no relatives that went to Auschwitz.
- Auschwitz is in Poland. Obama's relative went to Germany.
- Americans did not liberate Auschwitz.
- Russians liberated Auschwitz.
All of the facts easily refute Obama's claim no matter what lap dog, sycophants might say.
Nope - Obama simply got the name of the concentration camp wrong - and that was the ONLY piece of information that was wrong - the rest of the story checked out.
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Peace and God bless,
You've got nothing and you don't know it.
Obama's relative, who was not his mother's brother, was in the American army, which didn't liberate Auschwitz, which is in Poland, not Germany, which is where his relative who was not his mom's brother was.
At Auschwitz most of the people were killed in gas chambers, which is humane compared to the things Obama approves of done to the unborn and partially born. Even the Nazis didn't believe in sucking the brains out of babies.
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Nope - Obama simply got the name of the concentration camp wrong - and that was the ONLY piece of information that was wrong - the rest of the story checked out.
And here is what the Kitchell's have to say
"the Kitchells are not particularly happy with the conservative bloggers who have set out to prove Obama was "lying" about his great uncle.""
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/wwii-vet-fires.html
And from the WWII 89th Division's website itself:
"Introduction
Concerning the service of Mr. Charles Payne: C.T. Payne was a soldier in the 89th Infantry Division. He served in the 355th Infantry Regiment, Company K. The 355th Infantry Regiment was the unit to liberate Ohrdruf. Mr. Payne was there.
For those who seek to minimize the horrors of Ohrdruf since it was a 'work' camp and not a 'death' camp, we have but one word: shame. Ironically, this argument has been made to us time and time again by various Holocaust-deniers and other pro-Nazi groups. We will let the testimony of survivors and veterans speak for themselves.
It has been recorded that in Ordruf itself the last days were a slaughterhouse. We were shot at, beaten and molested. At every turn went on the destruction of the remaining inmates. Indiscriminant criminal behavior (like the murderers of Oklahoma City some days ago). Some days before the first Americans appeared at the gates of Ordruf, the last retreating Nazi guards managed to execute with hand pistols, literally emptying their last bullets on whomever they encountered leaving them bleeding to death as testified by an American of the 37th Tank Battalion Medical section, 10 a.m. April 4, 1945.
Today I'm privileged thanks to G-d and you gallant fighting men. I'm here to reminisce, and reflect, and experience instant recollections of those moments. Those horrible scenes and that special instance when an Allied soldier outstretched his arm to help me up became my re-entrance, my being re-invited into humanity and restoring my inalienable right to a dignified existence as a human being and as a Jew. Something, which was denied me from September 1939 to the day of liberation in 1945. I had no right to live and survived, out of 80 members of my family, the infernal ordeal of Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Ordruf, and its satellite camp Crawinkle and finally Theresinstadt Ghetto-Concentration Camp.
Rabbi Murray Kohn"
http://www.89infdivww2.org/
From Obama's spokesperson:
"Obama's campaign said yesterday that he had erred in naming the camp but not in describing the role of his great-uncle, who partook in the liberation of Buchenwald.
"Senator Obama's family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II -- especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald. Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically," Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement. It also clarified that the great-uncle served in the 89th Infantry Division that "liberated Ohrdruf, a subcamp of Buchenwald." .."
Peace and God bless,
No, ljmac - you apparently, do not wish to read, and I cannot do a thing about that. I posted a link from the 89th division veterans, who say that Obama had a great uncle who liberated a concentration camp - ie, the only thing he got wrong was the name of the camp.
You don't agree? Well then let's agree to disagree.
Here is what I posted:
Nope - Obama simply got the name of the concentration camp wrong - and that was the ONLY piece of information that was wrong - the rest of the story checked out.
And here is what the Kitchell's have to say
"the Kitchells are not particularly happy with the conservative bloggers who have set out to prove Obama was "lying" about his great uncle.""
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/wwii-vet-fires.html
And from the WWII 89th Division's website itself:
"Introduction
Concerning the service of Mr. Charles Payne: C.T. Payne was a soldier in the 89th Infantry Division. He served in the 355th Infantry Regiment, Company K. The 355th Infantry Regiment was the unit to liberate Ohrdruf. Mr. Payne was there.
For those who seek to minimize the horrors of Ohrdruf since it was a 'work' camp and not a 'death' camp, we have but one word: shame. Ironically, this argument has been made to us time and time again by various Holocaust-deniers and other pro-Nazi groups. We will let the testimony of survivors and veterans speak for themselves.
It has been recorded that in Ordruf itself the last days were a slaughterhouse. We were shot at, beaten and molested. At every turn went on the destruction of the remaining inmates. Indiscriminant criminal behavior (like the murderers of Oklahoma City some days ago). Some days before the first Americans appeared at the gates of Ordruf, the last retreating Nazi guards managed to execute with hand pistols, literally emptying their last bullets on whomever they encountered leaving them bleeding to death as testified by an American of the 37th Tank Battalion Medical section, 10 a.m. April 4, 1945.
Today I'm privileged thanks to G-d and you gallant fighting men. I'm here to reminisce, and reflect, and experience instant recollections of those moments. Those horrible scenes and that special instance when an Allied soldier outstretched his arm to help me up became my re-entrance, my being re-invited into humanity and restoring my inalienable right to a dignified existence as a human being and as a Jew. Something, which was denied me from September 1939 to the day of liberation in 1945. I had no right to live and survived, out of 80 members of my family, the infernal ordeal of Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Ordruf, and its satellite camp Crawinkle and finally Theresinstadt Ghetto-Concentration Camp.
Rabbi Murray Kohn"
http://www.89infdivww2.org/
From Obama's spokesperson:
"Obama's campaign said yesterday that he had erred in naming the camp but not in describing the role of his great-uncle, who partook in the liberation of Buchenwald.
"Senator Obama's family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II -- especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald. Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically," Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement. It also clarified that the great-uncle served in the 89th Infantry Division that "liberated Ohrdruf, a subcamp of Buchenwald." .."
Peace and God bless,
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