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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/2/2008 10:06:40 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Well - I stand by my words.
And I stand by Obama's...
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Seemed like it to me - if you were not, my apologies.
Nothing I posted would even suggest such a thing...
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/2/2008 10:45:56 PM
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How do you know this - did God tell you that Obama is not a believer? Otherwise, how would you have such knowledge about this?
Because he supports mass murder of the unborn and the homosexual agenda... He gathers vote with the blood of the unborn and the sinful lifestyle of homosexuals...
If a homosexual can't be a Christian it stands to reason that anyone that supports the lifestyle cannot either, as well as abortion... What's next pedophiles for Christ?
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And, I was taught much differently than you - I was taught that they ONLY person that can much such claims as you do above is God - NO ONE else can.
That's too bad... I was taught to judge all things... That is why I didn't sit in a aposte church for 20 years like Mr. Obama... People are taught accept whatever people say and that is why things like TBN and Benny Hinn flourish...
John
Well then, I plainly do not understand you and let's agree to disagree.
I am far beneath God to do the judging for Him.
You judged a baby worthy of death because the father was a raptist...
John
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/2/2008 11:17:09 PM
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If a homosexual can't be a Christian it stands to reason that anyone that supports the lifestyle cannot either, as well as abortion... What's next pedophiles for Christ?
Wait, who's saying a homosexual cannot be Christian?
Paul's litmus test for Christianity is very simple:
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[If] you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
-Romans 10:9-10.
That's not to say that sexual immorality isn't sin. It's just to say that Christianity is defined by faith, by a response to that faith through one's actions, and finally through a pursuit of moral purity in one's own life, pursuant to the teachings of the Bible. Both 1 Cor. 6:9-10 and Leviticus 18:22 pertain to actions rather than states of being.
Moral purity is the end result of Christianity, not the prerequisite. Is your church teaching something else?
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/2/2008 11:57:06 PM
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Wait, who's saying a homosexual cannot be Christian?
Paul's litmus test for Christianity is very simple:
[If] you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
-Romans 10:9-10
That's not to say that sexual immorality isn't sin. It's just to say that Christianity is defined by faith, by a response to that faith through one's actions, and finally through a pursuit of moral purity in one's own life, pursuant to the teachings of the Bible. Both 1 Cor. 6:9-10 and Leviticus 18:22 pertain to actions rather than states of being.
The "actions" of a homosexual are in direct conflict with God's word... What faith is homosexual acting on? Where is the "fear of God" which is the foundation of understanding?
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Moral purity is the end result of Christianity, not the prerequisite.
Yes, so how does one remain a homosexual after being saved?
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Is your church teaching something else?
Any church that follows the word of God couldn't have a homosexual as a member according to 1 Corinthians 5...
John
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/3/2008 12:02:58 AM
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The "actions" of a homosexual are in direct conflict with God's word... What faith is homosexual acting on? Where is the "fear of God" which is the foundation of understanding?
Whoever said that homosexuality implies "actions"?
One of my friends is an alcoholic, but he joined AA and doesn't drink anymore. Does this mean he can't be a Christian since he's an alcoholic?
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Yes, so how does one remain a homosexual after being saved?
Does being saved mean an alcoholic is perfectly cured and can now hang out at the bar and have a drink or two without fear of being compelled to drink too much?
Christianity changes our hearts- and gives us the desire to follow God's will. It doesn't necessarily change our physical selves.
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/3/2008 12:15:20 AM
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Whoever said that homosexuality implies "actions"?
Let's be very clear on this...
The homosexual agenda that Obama supports isn't the fairy tale one of homosexuals not acting out their desires...
John
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/3/2008 12:32:36 AM
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The homosexual agenda that Obama supports isn't the fairy tale one of homosexuals not acting out their desires...
John
So? That doesn't mean we need to use rhetoric that scares people away from Christianity so we can make our political point a little stronger by generalizing. I guess there's sort of this tightrope walk that you have to make where affirming immorality would be falling over to the left and saying the same things a Pharisee would would be falling over to the right. Being careful about your rhetoric and saying things with exactly enough strength and directness to convey the truth you need to convey helps make the rope a whole lot thicker and easier to stand on.
I originally found this website from a liberal forum where people were complaining about those awful Christians, so it's helpful to be aware that whatever comments we make can serve as a witness- either good or bad- to others. Naturally, I need to be reminded of this all the time, myself.
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/3/2008 1:03:07 AM
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The homosexual agenda that Obama supports isn't the fairy tale one of homosexuals not acting out their desires...
John
So?
I just wanted to make that clear given the road the conversation was heading down...
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That doesn't mean we need to use rhetoric that scares people away from Christianity so we can make our political point a little stronger by generalizing.
What "rhetoric" are you referring to?
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I originally found this website from a liberal forum where people were complaining about those awful Christians, so it's helpful to be aware that whatever comments we make can serve as a witness- either good or bad- to others. Naturally, I need to be reminded of this all the time, myself.
A big reason there are liberal forums where people complain about those awful Christians is because things are sugar coated most of the time so when the truth is put out it seems extreme... The tell themselves is perfectly ok to murder an unborn child or that it's perfectly ok to be gay and nobody has the right to say otherswise, so of course a place where that is said to be sinful(well at least the homosexual part, since you can openly support abortion here) is going to rub folks the wrong way... It's supposed to... Though sadly many just laugh it off and continue on...
John
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/3/2008 7:11:39 AM
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I don't think McCain would do any better - you know the person that scores a 66% from nrcl.org - lower than some Democrats; and the person that STILL has not promise he'd use an anti-abortion litmus test on SCJ nominees. In fact, I really don't think it matters whom you vote for on a presidential level when it comes to abortion.
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Ok… So by all means vote for the person who without a doubt supports the right of certain people to commit murder... But I suggest you stop nagging on Bush about the war and deaths associated with it for the sake of being consistent. Especially given the huge disparity in regards to the loss of life given the about 3500 unborn children are murdered daily in the United States… You know, the land of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness…
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And that makes it ok for a Christian to vote for abortion and the gay agenda?
Well, because of the aforementioned post, which I know you will include in any of your posts, yes.
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Ok... Do you have any support for one to support things the bible cleary calls evil.... That being murder and homosexuality... How does a Christian evade sinning by supporting what is sinful with clear forethought?
John
I will only say this one more time - since, as expected you did not post all of my post: I really don't think it matters whom you vote for on a presidential level when it comes to abortion. Republicans, the supposed champions of the pro-life movement: 1) have members that are more pro-choice than some of the Democrats, 2) Republicans have appointed the majority of the SCJ in the last 3 decades and STILL RVW has not been overturned - in fact the highly lauded (by conservatives) SCJ was appointed by Reagan, had the deciding vote to overturn RVW in 92 in Casey v PP, and he did not; 3) Republicans had control of both the executive and legislative branches from 2000-2006 to do what Ron Paul is trying to do right now with HR 2597 (sanctity of life) and they did NOT do anything congressionally to return jurisdiction back to the states on the matter of sanctity of life; something that should be done by the reigning princes of the pro-life movement since going through the judicial arm is PLAINLY NOT working.
Do you understand what I am saying here? I do not believe that it makes a difference whom you vote for at a presidential level especially since McCain STILL has not promise he'd use an anti-abortion litmus test on SCJ nominees.
And, John, I consider the war in Iraq wrong - that 4,000+ of our best and brightest are dead and 84,000-91,000 civilians are dead - Obama wants us out right away and McCain does not.
You know, as an independent voter, I said I was leaning towards Obama. Your posts only reenforced this.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/3/2008 7:13:58 AM
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How do you know this - did God tell you that Obama is not a believer? Otherwise, how would you have such knowledge about this?
Because he supports mass murder of the unborn and the homosexual agenda... He gathers vote with the blood of the unborn and the sinful lifestyle of homosexuals...
If a homosexual can't be a Christian it stands to reason that anyone that supports the lifestyle cannot either, as well as abortion... What's next pedophiles for Christ?
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And, I was taught much differently than you - I was taught that they ONLY person that can much such claims as you do above is God - NO ONE else can.
That's too bad... I was taught to judge all things... That is why I didn't sit in a aposte church for 20 years like Mr. Obama... People are taught accept whatever people say and that is why things like TBN and Benny Hinn flourish...
John
Well then, I plainly do not understand you and let's agree to disagree.
I am far beneath God to do the judging for Him.
You judged a baby worthy of death because the father was a raptist...
John
No - I am not judging the girl who was violently raped by her father, John.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/3/2008 7:14:58 AM
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Well - I stand by my words.
And I stand by Obama's...
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Seemed like it to me - if you were not, my apologies.
Nothing I posted would even suggest such a thing...
John
LOL! Sorry, this is actually getting funny, John. I think somewhere deep down, there lurks a sense of humor there, John! 
Peace and God bless,
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/3/2008 8:30:12 AM
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Just out curiosity - because I am definitely at the 'immature' understanding of scripture, how do you know that "Obama cannot be a believer because he made a public profession of faith a Jesus and God as taught by the BLT pastors. That Jesus is not the Jesus of scripture." ?
Thank you in advance, Peace and God bless,
Because I know what BLT as stated by Cones teaches and Obama in his book says that is the religion he ascribes to...BLT. The facts are easy to find. Go to the direct documents such as Obama's book and the books by Cones and the Trinity Website inorder to discover the facts concerning Obama's "faith". Cones teaches that Jesus was a black Marxist Rebel.
This is from Obama's Church website:
The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology.
Now turn to scripture. Notice what God has to say about God, Jesus and Salvation.
Here are some Quotes from James Cones.
Cone: “For white people, God’s reconciliation in Jesus Christ means that God has made black people a beautiful people; and if they are going to be in relationship with God, they must enter by means of their black brothers, who are a manifestation of God’s presence on earth. The assumption that one can know God without knowing blackness is the basic heresy of the white churches. They want God without blackness, Christ without obedience, love without death. What they fail to realize is that in America, God’s revelation on earth has always been black, red, or some other shocking shade, but never white. Whiteness, as revealed in the history of America, is the expression of what is wrong with man. It is a symbol of man’s depravity. God cannot be white even though white churches have portrayed him as white. When we look at what whiteness has done to the minds of men in this country, we can see clearly what the New Testament meant when it spoke of the principalities and powers. To speak of Satan and his powers becomes not just a way of speaking but a fact of reality. When we can see a people who are controlled by an ideology of whiteness, then we know what reconciliation must mean. The coming of Christ means a denial of what we thought we were. It means destroying the white devil in us. Reconciliation to God means that white people are prepared to deny themselves (whiteness), take up the cross (blackness) and follow Christ (black ghetto).” (James Cone, from Black Theology and Black Power, p. 150
Cone: “What else can the crucifixion mean except that God, the Holy One of Israel, became identified with the victims of oppression? What else can the resurrection mean except that God’s victory in Christ is the poor person’s victory over poverty?” (Cone, Speaking the Truth; p. 6)
“To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people!” (Black Theology and Black Power, pp. 139-140).
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/3/2008 10:22:20 AM
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I got the original website cached before it was changed. It's much worse than that.
Much much worse.
All of those people need Jesus!
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/3/2008 12:12:15 PM
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I'd give the Obama some slack with the uncle title if he wasn't so casual with the other facts of the story. Auschwitz is an important place of much historical significance. Obama linked his family to this infamous place and it wasn't true.
You didn't give Obama any slack, ljmac. You said ,"Nothing about his account was true." This statement of yours, of course, is wrong. Even the veterans have backed Obama's account, saying the only thing he got wrong was the name of the concentration camp - and some are not too happy with the conservative bloggers that are trying to make him out too be the bad one; making him out to be a liar, when he is not.
Peace and God bless,
I never said I gave him some slack. Please read carefully and don't put words in my mouth.
Let me repeat some undeniable facts.
- Obama has no uncles, at least not from his white side of the family, which he was clearly referring to.
- Obama had no relatives that went to Poland during WWII.
- Obama had no relatives that went to Auschwitz.
- Auschwitz is in Poland. Obama's relative went to Germany.
- Americans did not liberate Auschwitz.
- Russians liberated Auschwitz.
All of the facts easily refute Obama's claim no matter what lap dog, sycophants might say.
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/3/2008 7:05:55 PM
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I'd give the Obama some slack with the uncle title if he wasn't so casual with the other facts of the story. Auschwitz is an important place of much historical significance. Obama linked his family to this infamous place and it wasn't true.
You didn't give Obama any slack, ljmac. You said ,"Nothing about his account was true." This statement of yours, of course, is wrong. Even the veterans have backed Obama's account, saying the only thing he got wrong was the name of the concentration camp - and some are not too happy with the conservative bloggers that are trying to make him out too be the bad one; making him out to be a liar, when he is not.
Peace and God bless,
I never said I gave him some slack. Please read carefully and don't put words in my mouth.
Let me repeat some undeniable facts.
- Obama has no uncles, at least not from his white side of the family, which he was clearly referring to.
- Obama had no relatives that went to Poland during WWII.
- Obama had no relatives that went to Auschwitz.
- Auschwitz is in Poland. Obama's relative went to Germany.
- Americans did not liberate Auschwitz.
- Russians liberated Auschwitz.
All of the facts easily refute Obama's claim no matter what lap dog, sycophants might say.
Nope - Obama simply got the name of the concentration camp wrong - and that was the ONLY piece of information that was wrong - the rest of the story checked out.
And here is what the Kitchell's have to say
"the Kitchells are not particularly happy with the conservative bloggers who have set out to prove Obama was "lying" about his great uncle.""
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/wwii-vet-fires.html
And from the WWII 89th Division's website itself:
"Introduction
Concerning the service of Mr. Charles Payne: C.T. Payne was a soldier in the 89th Infantry Division. He served in the 355th Infantry Regiment, Company K. The 355th Infantry Regiment was the unit to liberate Ohrdruf. Mr. Payne was there.
For those who seek to minimize the horrors of Ohrdruf since it was a 'work' camp and not a 'death' camp, we have but one word: shame. Ironically, this argument has been made to us time and time again by various Holocaust-deniers and other pro-Nazi groups. We will let the testimony of survivors and veterans speak for themselves.
It has been recorded that in Ordruf itself the last days were a slaughterhouse. We were shot at, beaten and molested. At every turn went on the destruction of the remaining inmates. Indiscriminant criminal behavior (like the murderers of Oklahoma City some days ago). Some days before the first Americans appeared at the gates of Ordruf, the last retreating Nazi guards managed to execute with hand pistols, literally emptying their last bullets on whomever they encountered leaving them bleeding to death as testified by an American of the 37th Tank Battalion Medical section, 10 a.m. April 4, 1945.
Today I'm privileged thanks to G-d and you gallant fighting men. I'm here to reminisce, and reflect, and experience instant recollections of those moments. Those horrible scenes and that special instance when an Allied soldier outstretched his arm to help me up became my re-entrance, my being re-invited into humanity and restoring my inalienable right to a dignified existence as a human being and as a Jew. Something, which was denied me from September 1939 to the day of liberation in 1945. I had no right to live and survived, out of 80 members of my family, the infernal ordeal of Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Ordruf, and its satellite camp Crawinkle and finally Theresinstadt Ghetto-Concentration Camp.
Rabbi Murray Kohn"
http://www.89infdivww2.org/
From Obama's spokesperson:
"Obama's campaign said yesterday that he had erred in naming the camp but not in describing the role of his great-uncle, who partook in the liberation of Buchenwald.
"Senator Obama's family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II -- especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald. Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically," Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement. It also clarified that the great-uncle served in the 89th Infantry Division that "liberated Ohrdruf, a subcamp of Buchenwald." .."
Peace and God bless,
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/3/2008 7:11:04 PM
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Just out curiosity - because I am definitely at the 'immature' understanding of scripture, how do you know that "Obama cannot be a believer because he made a public profession of faith a Jesus and God as taught by the BLT pastors. That Jesus is not the Jesus of scripture." ?
Thank you in advance, Peace and God bless,
Because I know what BLT as stated by Cones teaches and Obama in his book says that is the religion he ascribes to...BLT. The facts are easy to find. Go to the direct documents such as Obama's book and the books by Cones and the Trinity Website inorder to discover the facts concerning Obama's "faith". Cones teaches that Jesus was a black Marxist Rebel.
This is from Obama's Church website:
The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology.
Now turn to scripture. Notice what God has to say about God, Jesus and Salvation.
Here are some Quotes from James Cones.
Cone: “For white people, God’s reconciliation in Jesus Christ means that God has made black people a beautiful people; and if they are going to be in relationship with God, they must enter by means of their black brothers, who are a manifestation of God’s presence on earth. The assumption that one can know God without knowing blackness is the basic heresy of the white churches. They want God without blackness, Christ without obedience, love without death. What they fail to realize is that in America, God’s revelation on earth has always been black, red, or some other shocking shade, but never white. Whiteness, as revealed in the history of America, is the expression of what is wrong with man. It is a symbol of man’s depravity. God cannot be white even though white churches have portrayed him as white. When we look at what whiteness has done to the minds of men in this country, we can see clearly what the New Testament meant when it spoke of the principalities and powers. To speak of Satan and his powers becomes not just a way of speaking but a fact of reality. When we can see a people who are controlled by an ideology of whiteness, then we know what reconciliation must mean. The coming of Christ means a denial of what we thought we were. It means destroying the white devil in us. Reconciliation to God means that white people are prepared to deny themselves (whiteness), take up the cross (blackness) and follow Christ (black ghetto).” (James Cone, from Black Theology and Black Power, p. 150
Cone: “What else can the crucifixion mean except that God, the Holy One of Israel, became identified with the victims of oppression? What else can the resurrection mean except that God’s victory in Christ is the poor person’s victory over poverty?” (Cone, Speaking the Truth; p. 6)
“To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people!” (Black Theology and Black Power, pp. 139-140).
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Just out of curiosity, did you ask Obama if he believes these words? I guess he has left Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago anyway...
Just wondering...
Peace and God bless,
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/3/2008 7:14:09 PM
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But how can the annointed one make mistakes such as
uncle vs great uncle
location of camps
number of states?
I thought he walked on water anc could turn water into wine.
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/3/2008 7:15:37 PM
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Lizahana
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But how can the annointed one make mistakes such as
uncle vs great uncle
location of camps
number of states?
I thought he walked on water anc could turn water into wine.
LOL! Now that was funny!
Peace and God bless,
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/3/2008 9:31:16 PM
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But how can the annointed one make mistakes such as
uncle vs great uncle
location of camps
number of states?
I thought he walked on water anc could turn water into wine.
We're not claiming he's Jesus. We're just claiming that if he's Peter, O'Reilley would be a Pharisee.
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/3/2008 11:16:52 PM
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I'd give the Obama some slack with the uncle title if he wasn't so casual with the other facts of the story. Auschwitz is an important place of much historical significance. Obama linked his family to this infamous place and it wasn't true.
You didn't give Obama any slack, ljmac. You said ,"Nothing about his account was true." This statement of yours, of course, is wrong. Even the veterans have backed Obama's account, saying the only thing he got wrong was the name of the concentration camp - and some are not too happy with the conservative bloggers that are trying to make him out too be the bad one; making him out to be a liar, when he is not.
Peace and God bless,
I never said I gave him some slack. Please read carefully and don't put words in my mouth.
Let me repeat some undeniable facts.
- Obama has no uncles, at least not from his white side of the family, which he was clearly referring to.
- Obama had no relatives that went to Poland during WWII.
- Obama had no relatives that went to Auschwitz.
- Auschwitz is in Poland. Obama's relative went to Germany.
- Americans did not liberate Auschwitz.
- Russians liberated Auschwitz.
All of the facts easily refute Obama's claim no matter what lap dog, sycophants might say.
Nope - Obama simply got the name of the concentration camp wrong - and that was the ONLY piece of information that was wrong - the rest of the story checked out.
...
Peace and God bless,
You've got nothing and you don't know it.
Obama's relative, who was not his mother's brother, was in the American army, which didn't liberate Auschwitz, which is in Poland, not Germany, which is where his relative who was not his mom's brother was.
At Auschwitz most of the people were killed in gas chambers, which is humane compared to the things Obama approves of done to the unborn and partially born. Even the Nazis didn't believe in sucking the brains out of babies.
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/4/2008 12:17:27 AM
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I will only say this one more time - since, as expected you did not post all of my post: I really don't think it matters whom you vote for on a presidential level when it comes to abortion. Republicans, the supposed champions of the pro-life movement: 1) have members that are more pro-choice than some of the Democrats, 2) Republicans have appointed the majority of the SCJ in the last 3 decades and STILL RVW has not been overturned - in fact the highly lauded (by conservatives) SCJ was appointed by Reagan, had the deciding vote to overturn RVW in 92 in Casey v PP, and he did not; 3) Republicans had control of both the executive and legislative branches from 2000-2006 to do what Ron Paul is trying to do right now with HR 2597 (sanctity of life) and they did NOT do anything congressionally to return jurisdiction back to the states on the matter of sanctity of life; something that should be done by the reigning princes of the pro-life movement since going through the judicial arm is PLAINLY NOT working.
Do you understand what I am saying here? I do not believe that it makes a difference whom you vote for at a presidential level especially since McCain STILL has not promise he'd use an anti-abortion litmus test on SCJ nominees.
And, John, I consider the war in Iraq wrong - that 4,000+ of our best and brightest are dead and 84,000-91,000 civilians are dead - Obama wants us out right away and McCain does not.
You know, as an independent voter, I said I was leaning towards Obama. Your posts only reenforced this.
The above doesn't answer the following...
Ok... Do you have any support for one to support things the bible cleary calls evil.... That being murder and homosexuality... How does a Christian evade sinning by supporting what is sinful with clear forethought?
Btw... Can't blame me for your vote...
John
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/4/2008 12:19:07 AM
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How do you know this - did God tell you that Obama is not a believer? Otherwise, how would you have such knowledge about this?
Because he supports mass murder of the unborn and the homosexual agenda... He gathers vote with the blood of the unborn and the sinful lifestyle of homosexuals...
If a homosexual can't be a Christian it stands to reason that anyone that supports the lifestyle cannot either, as well as abortion... What's next pedophiles for Christ?
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And, I was taught much differently than you - I was taught that they ONLY person that can much such claims as you do above is God - NO ONE else can.
That's too bad... I was taught to judge all things... That is why I didn't sit in a aposte church for 20 years like Mr. Obama... People are taught accept whatever people say and that is why things like TBN and Benny Hinn flourish...
John
Well then, I plainly do not understand you and let's agree to disagree.
I am far beneath God to do the judging for Him.
You judged a baby worthy of death because the father was a raptist...
John
No - I am not judging the girl who was violently raped by her father, John.
Peace and God bless,
I didn't say you judged her... You said it's ok to abort the unborn children of rape... Do you at least believe the rapist should be put to death like the innocent unborn child?
John
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/4/2008 12:25:55 AM
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But how can the annointed one make mistakes such as
uncle vs great uncle
location of camps
number of states?
I thought he walked on water anc could turn water into wine.
We're not claiming he's Jesus. We're just claiming that if he's Peter, O'Reilley would be a Pharisee.
Actually he's more like Judas...
John
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/4/2008 12:28:41 AM
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Just out curiosity - because I am definitely at the 'immature' understanding of scripture, how do you know that "Obama cannot be a believer because he made a public profession of faith a Jesus and God as taught by the BLT pastors. That Jesus is not the Jesus of scripture." ?
Thank you in advance, Peace and God bless,
Because I know what BLT as stated by Cones teaches and Obama in his book says that is the religion he ascribes to...BLT. The facts are easy to find. Go to the direct documents such as Obama's book and the books by Cones and the Trinity Website inorder to discover the facts concerning Obama's "faith". Cones teaches that Jesus was a black Marxist Rebel.
This is from Obama's Church website:
The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology.
Now turn to scripture. Notice what God has to say about God, Jesus and Salvation.
Here are some Quotes from James Cones.
Cone: “For white people, God’s reconciliation in Jesus Christ means that God has made black people a beautiful people; and if they are going to be in relationship with God, they must enter by means of their black brothers, who are a manifestation of God’s presence on earth. The assumption that one can know God without knowing blackness is the basic heresy of the white churches. They want God without blackness, Christ without obedience, love without death. What they fail to realize is that in America, God’s revelation on earth has always been black, red, or some other shocking shade, but never white. Whiteness, as revealed in the history of America, is the expression of what is wrong with man. It is a symbol of man’s depravity. God cannot be white even though white churches have portrayed him as white. When we look at what whiteness has done to the minds of men in this country, we can see clearly what the New Testament meant when it spoke of the principalities and powers. To speak of Satan and his powers becomes not just a way of speaking but a fact of reality. When we can see a people who are controlled by an ideology of whiteness, then we know what reconciliation must mean. The coming of Christ means a denial of what we thought we were. It means destroying the white devil in us. Reconciliation to God means that white people are prepared to deny themselves (whiteness), take up the cross (blackness) and follow Christ (black ghetto).” (James Cone, from Black Theology and Black Power, p. 150
Cone: “What else can the crucifixion mean except that God, the Holy One of Israel, became identified with the victims of oppression? What else can the resurrection mean except that God’s victory in Christ is the poor person’s victory over poverty?” (Cone, Speaking the Truth; p. 6)
“To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people!” (Black Theology and Black Power, pp. 139-140).
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Just out of curiosity, did you ask Obama if he believes these words? I guess he has left Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago anyway...
Just wondering...
Peace and God bless,
He only left because of politics... Not some great conviction on the subject matter... Of course that doesn't change the fact he supports mass murder and the homosexual agenda, two things that are not compatible with a Christian walk...
John
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RE: There He Goes Again - 6/4/2008 7:23:09 AM
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