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RE: old testament: horrible stories - 6/3/2008 9:02:44 PM
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4IMPersuaded
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mikeman2 is right, Lufia. Jesus said that he is the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father except through Him. You either believe Him or He is a liar, in which case, Christianity is based upon lies.
Here's the thing, dear soul. God is sovereign and he had a plan in place before the foundation of the world. It is not His will that anyone should perish-- Jesus said that, too. He's got it under control. It isn't my job to figure out what he's going to do about the pygmies in the rain forest. It is my job to tell my neighbor about what He's done in my life and how Jesus loves them so much that he would die for them if they were the only person on Earth. It is also my job, now that I have chosen a life of submission to His will, to read His Word and listen to the Holy Spirit as he opens my eyes to what I read.
I get upset by the stories I read in the OT, but then again, I couldn't go see the Passion movie because I can't take the violence. That doesn't change the fact that it happened and that God had a purpose for each thing that happened. Imagine all of the years of history that the Bible stories cover. There must have been limitless events that could have been included, but God chose to inspire certain men over the centuries to record certain events. Pray, read and talk IRL to your pastor or a mentor that can help you decipher what you read. This is truly a worthy pursuit. Don't give up just because a few stories are hard to read.
Blessings.
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RE: old testament: horrible stories - 6/4/2008 8:33:27 AM
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I think i've got the same God and same Bible as everybody here. I do not argue that. BUT, what do you do with it?
Is God truly Lord in your life? Do you let HIM shape your opinions by what you read in that bible?
Or do you sit in judgement over God for offending your sensibilities?
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RE: old testament: horrible stories - 6/4/2008 11:55:47 PM
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Lufia
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Well if your at peace with your opinions, i'm certainly at peace with mine ans since i really want peace i'll stop arguing about that subject. We will see when we die. And please stop telling me that i dont worship the same God as you. It hurts my heart reading it. I believe that Jesus is my savior, that he died on the cross for my sins. I love God, i love Jesus and i thank God for the Holyspirit in me.
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RE: old testament: horrible stories - 6/5/2008 1:25:54 AM
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Well if your at peace with your opinions, i'm certainly at peace with mine ans since i really want peace i'll stop arguing about that subject. We will see when we die. And please stop telling me that i dont worship the same God as you. It hurts my heart reading it. I believe that Jesus is my savior, that he died on the cross for my sins. I love God, i love Jesus and i thank God for the Holyspirit in me.
Go to Him with your questions! I know I know seems somewhat crazy.
I had similar feelings, when I first read the Bible. I was like what is this.
But one day... I asked (I probaly threw it down in frustration) Him to show ME what He wanted me to see. Not show my pastor or anyone else, Me.
I cannot describe to you what happened, only the Holy Spirit can.
No man can. Hang on to your faith, He's letting your preconcieved ideals fall away and they are always painful to shed.
Ecc 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief; and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.
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RE: old testament: horrible stories - 6/5/2008 8:12:11 AM
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Right after the flood, everyone on earth knew the same God...
I will be judged for what I know, not for what someone else doesn't.
I trust that God is fair and full of mercy.
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RE: old testament: horrible stories - 6/5/2008 9:28:49 AM
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Probably a lot of the morality you were taught as you grew up was worldly morality. I know it was in my case. I had school teachers lead group discussions that left the class believing that it is OK to tell lies sometimes if you are protecting somebody, or if such deliberate deception will prevent violence. I was taught it was always wrong to hit someone, no matter what. However, the ninth commandment says you shall not bear false witness; and there is no commandment that says 'you shall not hit.' In fact, you can find situations where the Bible says you should use a rod and hit. Apply the basic physics of leverage and a rod has more force than a bare spanking hand! Yet we have a worldly morality system entrenched in our country that encourages and protects false reporting based on mere suspicion and not only holds such liars guiltless, but commends them. Meanwhile, the book of Proverbs says 'He who tells lies will not escape, and he who tells lies will perish.'
The reason you don’t understand is because you are not using biblical standards in your reasoning. You are using worldly morality standards.
Here is another common example of twisted morality— people gossip and never think twice about making disparaging remarks which they consider as being trivial stuff. Yet scripture teaches that a man’s reputation is more valuable than rubies and jewels. Biblically, when you hurt a person's reputation, you have committed a sin that is greater than jewel theft. In the world's system and with the right audience, you are a great comedian! Riddle: When is a comic a jewel thief?
I am convinced that even born-again folk have no idea how much we are off-center in our worldly thinking and that the command to renew our minds is a lot greater a challenge than we can imagine. Probably the most common phrase on Judgment Day will be: “Oh Lord, I did not know!” God is going to get pretty violent, and that will probably tick off a lot of people. (Do they think their lies keep Him from getting angry or can calm Him down as my former teacher suggested works with people?)
For the past couple years, I have been collecting Bible incidents of times when God seems to let people "fill their cup with evil." Some of these are mind blowing. Look how God showed 'mercy' to Pharaoh by giving him TEN chances! Think of all the people who suffered under frogs and hail and fetid water because God showed Pharaoh so much 'mercy!' Or was God really just letting him have his own way so that God could 'justify' giving him a greater punishment? It is an interesting question (to me, at least) and I have an on-going project looking for other examples; and the biggest thing I have learned so far is that I want to learn more.
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