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mvic -> After the end ... what then? (6/2/2008 4:24:37 PM)

I feel very hesitant about posting this; but I know that there are so many enlightened people in this Forum, people whom I've grown to respect, that I (hesitantly) ask as follows:

Imagine God has decided to end it all - the end of the world as we know it and the return of Christ to judge us all.

What then? Is that it ... finito? God will have gathered His faithfull in Heaven and sent the others ... wherever. Will He then start another world again or what?

Shakespeare once said in a play: As flies to wanton boys, are we to the gods; they kill us for their sport.

Is it the same with our living God? He decides to end it all and does just that?

Now here's my take on things: and please don't all attack me at once ...

Could it be that the "end of the world" happens to each one of us in turn when we die? We get to meet Jesus and judged before we go to Heaven or not.

What do you think?



Lufia -> RE: After the end ... what then? (6/2/2008 7:06:37 PM)

I think as you do, but i'm sure people here will desagree.



deermousie -> RE: After the end ... what then? (6/2/2008 7:12:49 PM)

Actually, the Bible answers your question, so it wasn't a bad question! So we don't have to depend on what I think, which is a relief for all of us. [:D]

Revelation tells us about the end of the world, where 1/3 of the water turns to blood and all kinds of weird environmental things happen of a supernatural nature. There's the Battle of Armaggedon, where armies of various nations meet on the Israeli Plain of Meggido (Valley of Esdraelon) and duke it out. The Lord will return and every eye will see Him (TV? Dunno, but when it happens you'll say, "Oh, yeah." Prophecy is like that). With that, history stops, the sea gives up its dead, and God judges men. Either your name is found in the Lamb's Book of Life or you get judged by your works (which, according the the Bible, is never good enough or Christ wouldn't have had to die to save you). I'd rather God finds my name in the book! Believers are not judged, because God judged our sin at the cross, and God is satisfied by the blood of the Risen Lord. Death is dead!

As to when we die, the Bible says, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. The ship barely leaves the harbor when it reaches its destination: heaven.

God says this old earth will be folded up like an old coat and thrown away, and there will be a new heaven and new earth, and we will be with the Lord forever (I'm going to wrap my arms around His knees and not let go for 15,000 years. Wait your turn! [:D]). Actually, then comes the Wedding Supper of the Lamb. There will be a place marker with your name on it if you belong to Him!

Pretty cool, eh? God is wonderful! Start reading your Bible every day - three chapters a day will get you through it in a year. You'll see wonderful things there, and it's a feast. Chow down, and God bless you.



delete123 -> RE: After the end ... what then? (6/2/2008 7:18:08 PM)

MVIC~
Absent from the body is present with the Lord. But they sleep until the time of Judgement.
It states in the bible that God has built a New Jeruselam and He will reign his people. It also states that the old earth and old heaven will pass away.
(Rev 21)

CRH



SonInMe1 -> RE: After the end ... what then? (6/2/2008 9:26:49 PM)

Tribulation.

Jusdgement.

Millenium Reign. ( thousand years )

satan is let loose and defeated finally, once and for all

eternal life in New Jerusalem on a reformed sealess earth. No carnalities. No sin.



Coffee_Drinker -> RE: After the end ... what then? (6/3/2008 8:52:34 AM)

My momma told me a hundred years ago that there is no such thing as a stupid question. If there was then I would be the "King of Stupid."

To sum it all up in what God's word has to say about it...

..."a world without end... Amen!" [sm=dance.gif]



iamjc-s -> RE: After the end ... what then? (6/3/2008 8:59:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mvic
Imagine God has decided to end it all - the end of the world as we know it and the return of Christ to judge us all.

...

Is it the same with our living God? He decides to end it all and does just that?

...

Could it be that the "end of the world" happens to each one of us in turn when we die? We get to meet Jesus and judged before we go to Heaven or not.

...
Shakespeare once said in a play: As flies to wanton boys, are we to the gods; they kill us for their sport.
Is it the same with our living God? He decides to end it all and does just that?

No. Our problems are to God like flies, annoying but easily remedied.
God will wait to end it all (as far as mankind on earth) until the evil in the world has spread & multiplied such that in porportion there are few Christians still living on earth. And those Christians that are still physically alive are in hiding.
For God wants to give all people a chance/choice to come into His saving grace.
...
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oldmethuselah -> RE: After the end ... what then? (6/3/2008 4:22:07 PM)

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No. Our problems are to God like flies, annoying but easily remedied.
God will wait to end it all (as far as mankind on earth) until the evil in the world has spread & multiplied such that in porportion there are few Christians still living on earth. And those Christians that are still physically alive are in hiding.
For God wants to give all people a chance/choice to come into His saving grace.
...


I appreciate the sentiment iamjc-s ("problems like flies, annoying but easily remedied"), but then I am not a girl who has been repeatedly abused by her father from the age of 5.

To be fair to you, I KNOW my problems which seem insurmountable, will evaporate in the light of His glory, but I am still hesitant to tell another about how easy their problems are to remedy.



terryjohn -> RE: After the end ... what then? (6/5/2008 12:42:34 PM)

I do think we will all meet our maker within the next 100 years (some sooner than later) and our world does end the day we die. It is interesting that men want God to step in and put an end to all the pain and suffering and in doing so He will have to bring an end to all life. It is also noted that having lived this life not many want to live for ever. Nevertheless, we cling to life for fear of being robbed of something special. Life is too long and life is too short. Not surpirsingly it has all been determined that life should leave us all looking for something more.

I remember reading in revelation somewhere that in the end Christ would be taken out of the picture so to speak so that God could be all, in all. I remember being a little upset by this as I really like Him as the face of God but now I understand that when Christ is in me, I become (Christ) like Him. It is a little hard to see how I with my sins could be Christ but once we see as we are seen who knows? I mean with God all things are possible aren't they?



deermousie -> RE: After the end ... what then? (6/5/2008 4:18:12 PM)

Would a Tolkein quote be too out of line? We've given the biblical stats, but Tolkein put an emotional spin on death that I think is appropriate because it focuses not on the death but on a scene immediately afterwards that speaks to our hearts:

GANDALF: No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path, one that we all must take.The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all turns to silver glass, and then you see it.

PIPPIN: What? Gandalf? See what?

GANDALF: White shores, and beyond, a far green country under a swift sunrise.

What this leaves out is that we'll see Jesus there. But we know that! The Christian will not be touched by the second death - the first death is death of our bodies; the second death is eternal separation from God.

Born once, die twice. Born twice, die once.



glimmerinthedark -> RE: After the end ... what then? (6/6/2008 5:13:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mvic


What then? Is that it ... finito? God will have gathered His faithfull in Heaven and sent the others ... wherever. Will He then start another world again or what?



After everything is said and done? This is the way I look at it. I can surprise and excite myself with my own imaginations and fantasies of what heaven will be like. Well since God is all knowing and all powerful, the possibilities are endless of what could happen throughout eternity. Take the most awsome idea of what heaven and eternity will be like, multiply it by infinity, and you'll start to get the picture of why our minds simply can't comprehend it. If some one tried to fit that much information inside the mind of a human, the brain would probably just disintegrate. Imagine having an infinite amount of senses in heaven. Imagine being able to think your way around. Imagine being in the presence of God. Just these thoughts makes my mind spin.[sm=rollingeyes.gif]

I dislike the way people think that they've got everything figured out. They limit eternity and the possibilities, power, and knowledge of God, to their own mental capacity.



oldmethuselah -> RE: After the end ... what then? (6/9/2008 7:39:35 PM)

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I dislike the way people think that they've got everything figured out. They limit eternity and the possibilities, power, and knowledge of God, to their own mental capacity.


Then you must not like my dear atheist colleagues.

The CERTAINTY with which my colleagues express their opinions on every topic may prove a bit grating for you. [:D]

ah, yes, BUT, then the CERTAINTY with which my CHRISTIAN friends express opinions about matters NOT related to the scriptures, but rather,

matters of custom and style, is ALSO grating to potential Christians and non-believers.



whatislove -> RE: After the end ... what then? (6/11/2008 2:10:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: oldmethuselah

NOT related to the scriptures, but rather, matters of custom and style, is ALSO grating to potential Christians and non-believers.


This is the way I look at it. If God knows me more than I know myself, who am I to claim to fully know everything about God, since I don't fully know myself? Am I (or anyone for that matter) to limit His power, knowledge, and possibilities, to the confines and thinking capacity of this little brain of mine? I believe that someone who has that type of mentality, is either extremely ignorant, or selfish. I don't think glimmer was trying to show his/her "preference". Instead, I think he/she was pointing out that the creation should/can not limit the creator.



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